New NCAA Rules Proposal

[LaxHawk174]

Wow, some very great new rules proposals!

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/54731-ncaa-wrestling-proposes-new-rules#.WPEaKzFtnIU

Headgear optional, Facial hair allowed (beards up to a half inch)

When your back is in the same criteria required for nearfall, except when in neutral (like scrambling on your back, or the dean heil situations) the referee will begin a 3 count and when he finishes, if you are still in that position it will be considered control, and a TD thus NF will begin being counted.

Very strict weight management rules. If you dont follow the NCAAs certification and process of dropping weight to the T, the wrestler may miss the next 8 competitions for the first offense, and a season for the second. And the coaches and athletic directors may be in trouble as well, looks like they really don't want extreme weight cutting.

Wrestlers who are suspended under the weight rules will be required to record their weights at times during the suspension period.

From the article: "Examples of violations covered under this rule include: urine manipulation during weight assessments; use of rubber suits, saunas, diuretics or intravenous rehydration; skin check forgery or deception."

"Currently, a wrestler who violates the prohibited weight-loss practices rules must sit out one competition on the first offense and for a calendar year for a second offense."

Huge one here... 3rd party video review. A 3rd party will be the one doing the video review and not the refs who made the call. Absolutely huge, and long overdue IMO.

 

[FineMaterial]

The comment on headgear was odd. They said headgear may make ear condition worse. How does that work?

 

[DonHawkeye]

The comment on headgear was odd. They said headgear may make ear condition worse. How does that work?

Personally, The head gear getting yanked around caused cauliflower just as much as not wearing it.

 

[DayHawk18]

Personally, The head gear getting yanked around caused cauliflower just as much as not wearing it.

Got my first case of cauliflower from a headgear pull while going live. Blew up to the point that they wanted to do surgery but I declined and thus why I have deformed, ground beef looking ears now haha

 

[ih8iast8]

They do not address push out/fleeing the mat....fail.

 

[Mendoza77]

Got my first case of cauliflower from a headgear pull while going live. Blew up to the point that they wanted to do surgery but I declined and thus why I have deformed, ground beef looking ears now haha

Every time I see deformed ears due to cauliflower, I think "man, that guy is/was a superstud wrestler!" So DayHawk, how many times you win the Hodge?

In St. Louis I saw a young kid with cauliflower so figured he's pretty good - Lax told me "that's Yanni D." Yeah, stud. Some of worst ears I've seen have been the Steiner brothers.

 

[NutZac]

They do not address push out/fleeing the mat....fail.

Agreed. I like the changes, but how can you not address this. I'd like to see a little more international feel.

 

[DayHawk18]

Every time I see deformed ears due to cauliflower, I think "man, that guy is/was a superstud wrestler!" So DayHawk, how many times you win the Hodge?

In St. Louis I saw a young kid with cauliflower so figured he's pretty good - Lax told me "that's Yanni D." Yeah, stud. Some of worst ears I've seen have been the Steiner brothers.

Only won it 3x, some D3 kid stole it from me

Lol 4x state placer and 2x champ, didn't wrestle in college.

 

[AFHawk86]

Agreed. I like the changes, but how can you not address this. I'd like to see a little more international feel.

I'm not thrilled with the proposed changes. I especially dislike the inflexibility of the 1.5% requirement.

It's like the NCAA isn't watching the same product. Fans have been clammoring for changes to push out and riding time and they're not even addressed.

 

[lookleft goright]

I'm not thrilled with the proposed changes. I especially dislike the inflexibility of the 1.5% requirement.

It's like the NCAA isn't watching the same product. Fans have been clammoring for changes to push out and riding time and they're not even addressed.

The back point rule is great. IT will make it easier to score and harder to hang on for stalemates. Heil may never win another title, but then again, 2 NCAA titles is a pretty good accomplishment.
I am not a fan of the push out rule, so I do not think fans have been clamoring for it. The Hawkeye Nation may be clamoring, but I am not sure fans in general.

 

[AFHawk86]

The back point rule is great. IT will make it easier to score and harder to hang on for stalemates. Heil may never win another title, but then again, 2 NCAA titles is a pretty good accomplishment.
I am not a fan of the push out rule, so I do not think fans have been clamoring for it. The Hawkeye Nation may be clamoring, but I am not sure fans in general.

The scrambling rule sounds good but I think it will create confusion and frustration. It involves more referee involvement which is never a good thing.

 

[championhawk]

The scrambling rule sounds good but I think it will create confusion and frustration. It involves more referee involvement which is never a good thing.

I am surprised more haven't brought this up. The scrambling proposal would be a nightmare for officials. The current OOB rules are terrible.

 

[AFHawk86]

I am surprised more haven't brought this up. The scrambling proposal would be a nightmare for officials. The current OOB rules are terrible.

That's why I always recommend simple rule changes because the complicated stuff usually doesn't meet expectations. It's like tax laws...they change behavior and therefore have many impacts that weren't accounted for. Eliminate RT and institute a push out. Those are simple changes that encourage offense and don't require more from the referee.

I am frustrated with the 1.5% rule as well. I can understand enforcing a more disciplined process at the beginning of the season when wrestlers are getting down to weight. But after that a wrestler should have more flexibility that would allow them to bump up a weight class without penalizing them and the team 3-4 weeks to make the descent back down. Heck, wrestlers lose more than 1.5% in one practice. I understand the push for safety, but as usual the NCAA overreacted and went too far.

 

[championhawk]

That's why I always recommend simple rule changes because the complicated stuff usually doesn't meet expectations. It's like tax laws...they change behavior and therefore have many impacts that weren't accounted for. Eliminate RT and institute a push out. Those are simple changes that encourage offense and don't require more from the referee.

I am frustrated with the 1.5% rule as well. I can understand enforcing a more disciplined process at the beginning of the season when wrestlers are getting down to weight. But after that a wrestler should have more flexibility that would allow them to bump up a weight class without penalizing them and the team 3-4 weeks to make the descent back down. Heck, wrestlers lose more than 1.5% in one practice. I understand the push for safety, but as usual the NCAA overreacted and went too far.

The big problem are that some athletic trainers are as into rule breaking as their coaching staff. Any rule change that gives the officials more power is a bad deal. A push out rule is the only rule I would change. Easy for the official, easy for the fans. Whoever made the push for the 3 second back exposure control needs taken off the panel. The officials can't even get the current OOB rules correct.

 

[AFHawk86]

The big problem are that some athletic trainers are as into rule breaking as their coaching staff. Any rule change that gives the officials more power is a bad deal. A push out rule is the only rule I would change. Easy for the official, easy for the fans. Whoever made the push for the 3 second back exposure control needs taken off the panel. The officials can't even get the current OOB rules correct.

Aren't these just proposals? When will these rules be voted on and confirmed? I understand the motivation for the 3-second back exposure recommendation, but we are counting on the same refs to interpret and enforce this new rule when they won't call stalling or bring the wrestlers back to neutral when the ankle grab occurs.

 

[championhawk]

Aren't these just proposals? When will these rules be voted on and confirmed? I understand the motivation for the 3-second back exposure recommendation, but we are counting on the same refs to interpret and enforce this new rule when they won't call stalling or bring the wrestlers back to neutral when the ankle grab occurs.

I don't know when the vote is. Look at the 5 second count. Some officials start immediately. Some don't count at all, especially if it is a Penn State guy on top, some rabbit count, and others take 10 seconds to make a 5 count. The inconsistency across the officiating board is off the charts. Adding more to their plate would be terrible mistake.

 

[AFHawk86]

I don't know when the vote is. Look at the 5 second count. Some officials start immediately. Some don't count at all, especially if it is a Penn State guy on top, some rabbit count, and others take 10 seconds to make a 5 count. The inconsistency across the officiating board is off the charts. Adding more to their plate would be terrible mistake.

Champ - Sounds like we got this figured out. Let's form our own committee! Who's with me?

 

[Cal98]

Champ - Sounds like we got this figured out. Let's form our own committee! Who's with me?

Hahaha... Chris Perry is with you. I'm just gonna leave this link right here. Go to 45 second mark.

http://www.flowrestling.org/video/740551-174lbs-semi-finals-perry-osu-vs-evans-iowa#.WPIgCL1OnqA

 

[pablow]

The video replay revision is an "optional rule." I like "optional rules."

“The committee recommended an optional rule to allow the hiring of a third-party registered official to conduct video reviews on coaches’ challenges in dual meets and tournaments.” http://www.ncaa.com/news/wrestling/...-rules-committee-recommends-stiffer-penalties​

 

[lookleft goright]

The scrambling rule sounds good but I think it will create confusion and frustration. It involves more referee involvement which is never a good thing.

I can feel you bro! However, I like the idea of a guy taking a shot and when the only option is for the other guy to hang on for a stalemate, the shooter has a chance to score. I happen to agree that if I put you on your back and you can't get off your back without releasing the hold, then I am in control and should be rewarded. The problem is the officials do not know when to call it control and a takedown. This rule tells them exactly what to do.
It is like the push out rule a lot of guys want to be enacted. The refs did not know when it was stalling or not. With the push out rule (which I am against) they would know exactly and that is a good thing. Definitely a plus for that rule. I just enjoy the edge of the mat wrestling so much that I don't want to jeopardize it.
I think there is a difference between giving referees more power to more involvement and giving referees a clear direction to take. Hey ref, that is 2 by definition. Award the points! No ambiguity or confusion. The rules are just adapting to all the scrambling that has evolved over the years.

 

[Cal98]

In my opinion, the 3 count situation from neutral benfits Iowa a lot since it seems we're the victims of the diving under and tying up ankles quite a bit.
This rule also takes a step closer to freestyle which still has some amazing scrambles. It will force wrestlers to be crisper in their scrambling and not just dive through to tie up ankles. Plus, I think this would put more points on the board and waste less time. I think I might like it better than freestyle as it still allows you to momentarily expose yourself. But you gotta keep improving right away.

 

[championhawk]

For the 3rd official. He should not know the call on the mat. For a locked hands example he will have 3 choices. Locked hands, not locked hands, or inconclusive so it would default to the original call. They should just use the 2nd official if hiring a 3rd guy is a problem. He doesn't do anything a majority of the time.

 

[bphawkeye_Rivals]

Got my first case of cauliflower from a headgear pull while going live. Blew up to the point that they wanted to do surgery but I declined and thus why I have deformed, ground beef looking ears now haha

Surgery for this in my case was a syringe to suck out the fluid in each ear - and then bandage and some small plaster cast on each ear for about a week. not a big deal. for the right ear it happened a bit late - as there is a small distinct notice of Cauliflower but the left was saved pretty much. This was circa 1978 - and 2 others had the same thing happen at the same time when we practiced with the optional approach of no / yes for head gear during practice. Head gear became mandatory after that - and as I recall nobody else got the "Ear: What say you El Dub ... pretty accurate?