New Two Deeps

[ghostOfHomer777]

This year will be the weakest our DE spot will be for years to come. All these guys are going to have a long career ahead of them. Throw AJ/Lattimore into the mix and the DE position is set for a while. Just hope it won't be too big of a weakness this year and they stay healthy

In '13 our DEs were Ott and Alvis ... and Hardy came in when Alvis went down to injury. Alvis was an explosive athlete who had trouble staying healthy. Ott was only in his second year in the program and Hardy was out of position playing DE (since he was more of a DT).

If the '16 DEs can stay healthy, I think that the group of Hesse, Nelson, Nelson, Lattimore, and Brinks will far surpass the '13 group.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

On of the "forgotten guys" who I'm curious about is Reiff. The guys from that family are exceptionally hard workers ... and Brady Reiff was smaller but a bit more explosive than his older brother. I'm curious where he'll end up. I know the guys on the DL get work at both DE and DT ... however, I wonder where he's been better.

 

[madmax1191]

This year will be the weakest our DE spot will be for years to come. All these guys are going to have a long career ahead of them. Throw AJ/Lattimore into the mix and the DE position is set for a while. Just hope it won't be too big of a weakness this year and they stay healthy

Lattimore is a DT period! So are Schulte and Kirkpatrick. Please put this argument to bed already.

In no particular order the future pool of DE's are as follows:
Hesse, AJ, Slater, Gholston, The Nelson's, Brinks, Duwa, Reiff, McKnight, and Simon. Theres a good possibility that Welch and Sabotka end up there as well. There are plenty of talented bodies to draw from w/o Lattimore, Shulte and Kirkpatrick in the mix. To be clear theres a number of these dudes who could move inside as well like maybe Slater and Reiff? Time will tell. I concur w previous posters that we will be just fine at DE.

 

[Packer54]

Uhh, I guess you don't have to have an education to post 9,000 times on a message board. Do you have any idea what bipolar means? The OL starts a senior and three juniors and has youth as depth. That is promising. The DEs are are all freshmen and sophs. What don't you get? Get your community college degree then come back if you want to have a real discussion.

I am guessing you don't have a clear idea of what bipolar means and how it effects those that suffer with it and their families. I think you can find a better example to use.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

Lattimore is a DT period! So are Schulte and Kirkpatrick. Please put this argument to bed already.

In no particular order the future pool of DE's are as follows:
Hesse, AJ, Slater, Gholston, The Nelson's, Brinks, Duwa, Reiff, McKnight, and Simon. Theres a good possibility that Welch and Sabotka end up there as well. There are plenty of talented bodies to draw from w/o Lattimore, Shulte and Kirkpatrick in the mix. To be clear theres a number of these dudes who could move inside as well like maybe Slater and Reiff? Time will tell. I concur w previous posters that we will be just fine at DE.

Why do you say that about Lattimore? Obviousky he could, but ive heard nothing about him being moved to dt yet. And I'm pretty sure, contrary to your statement, that Duwa was recruited with the plan of him playing DT. Also, it's been mentioned that Slater will probably end up inside. You're a little off base here.

 

[David1979]

I don't think Lattimore is automatically a DT. I think it is a little premature to say that. If he plays this year it will be at DE

 

[madmax1191]

Why do you say that about Lattimore? Obviousky he could, but ive heard nothing about him being moved to dt yet. And I'm pretty sure, contrary to your statement, that Duwa was recruited with the plan of him playing DT. Also, it's been mentioned that Slater will probably end up inside. You're a little off base here.

Dude, I'm also pretty sure, no very sure your clueless here.
1.) I'm positive Lattimore was recruited as a DT. Have you been paying attention to what R. Morgan, K Bell and Doyle have all spoke to this the past 8 months?
2.) Duwa is starting off his career at DE and its a wait and see where he fits scenario like Welch and Beyer for example. If you read my post you'll see I said any number of these dudes may move inside didn't I?
3.) I said Slater may move inside didn't I?

C'mon man read and think before you post a response. Obviousky you didn't.

 

[David1979]

Dude, I'm also pretty sure, no very sure your clueless here.
1.) I'm positive Lattimore was recruited as a DT. Have you been paying attention to what R. Morgan, K Bell and Doyle have all spoke to this the past 8 months?
2.) Duwa is starting off his career at DE and its a wait and see where he fits scenario like Welch and Beyer for example. If you read my post you'll see I said any number of these dudes may move inside didn't I?
3.) I said Slater may move inside didn't I?

C'mon man read and think before you post a response. Obviousky you didn't.

I don't think Lattimore was recruited specifically for DT. At least I have never seen anything that said that.

 

[SigMaintHawk]

Coaches were talking about Lattimore, 8 months ago? 2 months before he signed a LOI? Doesn't sound like something a member of KF's staff would do....

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

@madmax1191

1) what have Reese, doyle, and kelvin bell said about Lattimore playing DT? Specific quotes would be great.
2)many people in the lounge have said Duwa was recruited as a kroul/king dt prospect. I believe one of these people was a mod.
3) so you've said all these guys could play inside or outside? That is some serious inside info there

Edit: SigMaintHawk post ^^^^^

 

[madmax1191]

Pinheads.....

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

Pinheads.....

This was expected when asked for specifics on the things you're making up.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

Dbag I just have zero interest in educating pinheads that can and should do their own homework. That's all.

See my previous post. Same thing here.

 

[bravelittletoaster]

Lattimore was recruited as a DE

 

[Hawks_Rock_12]

Does it matter if it's DE or DT as long as the kid can play get a jersey on him.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

Does it matter if it's DE or DT as long as the kid can play get a jersey on him.

Yes

 

[David1979]

Dbag I just have zero interest in educating pinheads that can and should do their own homework. That's all.

mature

 

[Hawks_Rock_12]

I believe McCarron won the 100 at state

His PR of 11.17 100 would have placed him 7th in Illinois boys 1A state finals. He wouldn't have finished in the top ten for 2A or 3A. His state winning time of 11.36 would have him out of the top ten even in 1A. Way faster then me but not exactly a burner. The Illinois 3A state winning time was 10.49

 

[David1979]

I would guess he is faster now than he was in high school bc of of training they do. But even if you take his best of 11.17 it would work out to about 4.46 or something like that. That is pretty fast.

 

[eyeohuh]

Lattimore is a DT period! So are Schulte and Kirkpatrick. Please put this argument to bed already.

In no particular order the future pool of DE's are as follows:
Hesse, AJ, Slater, Gholston, The Nelson's, Brinks, Duwa, Reiff, McKnight, and Simon. Theres a good possibility that Welch and Sabotka end up there as well. There are plenty of talented bodies to draw from w/o Lattimore, Shulte and Kirkpatrick in the mix. To be clear theres a number of these dudes who could move inside as well like maybe Slater and Reiff? Time will tell. I concur w previous posters that we will be just fine at DE.

lol

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

I don't think Lattimore was recruited specifically for DT. At least I have never seen anything that said that.

Lattimore has been quoted as saying that the coaches liked him because of his ability to play both on the outside and the inside. I agree that Lattimore wasn't specifically targeted at DT ... however, I would venture to guess that he's aware that the coaches might want to move him around based on both his physical development and where there is the most playing time.

 

[Hawk-A-Doodle-Doo]

If the heights are true (cue the Greg Brunner jokes), our future at DE is looking up.

 

[David1979]

Lattimore has been quoted as saying that the coaches liked him because of his ability to play both on the outside and the inside. I agree that Lattimore wasn't specifically targeted at DT ... however, I would venture to guess that he's aware that the coaches might want to move him around based on both his physical development and where there is the most playing time.

Yeah. I totally agree. I knew he had some versatility there in therms of where he will play. I imagine we won't truly know until maybe next spring where some of these freshman defensive lineman end up as far as position goes.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Pinheads.....

maybe that was a shout out to marty mcflys band name in back to the future.

 

[Eternal Return]

Let's call a spade an - annoying, negative, droning, blatherskite of an iowalaw spade.

From Psycom.net: "If you are living with bipolar disorder, you may feel energetic, abnormally happy, and make reckless decisions during manic states. During depressive states, you may feel the overwhelming urge to cry, experience feelings of hopelessness, and have a negative outlook on life." So I would say this fits your crap pretty accurately. Take last years 12-0 record (mostly without Ott) and suck on it. As far as degrees - everytime you post you are an embarrassment to Iowa Law (but I seriously doubt you even went to Iowa)

DE is a question this year, but it's going to be stacked for years to come. Epees next year plus at least one other good DE in the 2017 class. I think there are five DEs in this year's freshman class, 3 of them considered very good. But, yeah, this year is a question mark. It'll probably be the last time DE is a question mark in the next five years, though.

 

[millhawk]

Kirkpatrick will play on the oline... just a guess. Other guesses, Duwa a dt, think Mitch King, Lattimore at dt, he will redshirt, A. Schulte at dt.

In '17 M. Nelson will move inside to replace JJ, because of the emergence of Epenesa, A. Nelson, VanGinkel and B. Simon. The Daniels kid out of Texas will play as a true frosh at dt. Obviously I predict we get him.

 

[terrehawk]

Lattimore is a DT period! So are Schulte and Kirkpatrick. Please put this argument to bed already.

In no particular order the future pool of DE's are as follows:
Hesse, AJ, Slater, Gholston, The Nelson's, Brinks, Duwa, Reiff, McKnight, and Simon. Theres a good possibility that Welch and Sabotka end up there as well. There are plenty of talented bodies to draw from w/o Lattimore, Shulte and Kirkpatrick in the mix. To be clear theres a number of these dudes who could move inside as well like maybe Slater and Reiff? Time will tell. I concur w previous posters that we will be just fine at DE.

I wonder how this impacts van ginkel? Wonder if aj is figuring into his decision?

 

[terrehawk]

I also think Kristian Welch is going to be really good. And I see him possibly as a DE. He looks like Aj Edds physically but in today's game he may have to put his hand on the ground and gain some weight.

I have heard very little talk about Alaric Jackson on the OL. Was very impressed with him as a recruit and Iowa had a tough time battle with some good programs IIRC.

 

[sausagethehorse]

I am guessing you don't have a clear idea of what bipolar means and how it effects those that suffer with it and their families. I think you can find a better example to use.

Can this be a teaching moment? It should be. GO HAWKS but can we all just have some caring and understanding?

 

[millhawk]

I also think Kristian Welch is going to be really good. And I see him possibly as a DE. He looks like Aj Edds physically but in today's game he may have to put his hand on the ground and gain some weight.

I have heard very little talk about Alaric Jackson on the OL. Was very impressed with him as a recruit and Iowa had a tough time battle with some good programs IIRC.

Alaric Jackson is a good prospect. He needs to reshape his body. if he's patient and a hard worker, he will get there. It will take time but with all the young talent there, time is not a problem.

 

[David1979]

Kirkpatrick will play on the oline... just a guess. Other guesses, Duwa a dt, think Mitch King, Lattimore at dt, he will redshirt, A. Schulte at dt.

In '17 M. Nelson will move inside to replace JJ, because of the emergence of Epenesa, A. Nelson, VanGinkel and B. Simon. The Daniels kid out of Texas will play as a true frosh at dt. Obviously I predict we get him.

Why are you guessing Kirkpatrick at oline when there is no evidence they recruited him to play there?

 

[DodgerHawki]

Kirkpatrick will play on the oline... just a guess. Other guesses, Duwa a dt, think Mitch King, Lattimore at dt, he will redshirt, A. Schulte at dt.

In '17 M. Nelson will move inside to replace JJ, because of the emergence of Epenesa, A. Nelson, VanGinkel and B. Simon. The Daniels kid out of Texas will play as a true frosh at dt. Obviously I predict we get him.

Not sure I've seen a 6-7 DT, or whatever height Nelson is. Not saying he can't do it, but I wouldn't automatically move him to DT yet. '17 will be an interesting year depending on who Iowa gets in this class yet.

 

[RogerKint]

M. Nelson is 6'8" and, in my opinion, is perfectly suited for DE as he can use his leverage against anyone he faces. If playing DT he would have to stay low most of the time and that would be awfully tough.

 

[IowaNiceHawk]

His PR of 11.17 100 would have placed him 7th in Illinois boys 1A state finals. He wouldn't have finished in the top ten for 2A or 3A. His state winning time of 11.36 would have him out of the top ten even in 1A. Way faster then me but not exactly a burner. The Illinois 3A state winning time was 10.49

100 meter times really have little correlation with football speed.
Tim Dwight might be the exception to that.
Go Hawks

 

[93hawkeye]

I would guess he is faster now than he was in high school bc of of training they do. But even if you take his best of 11.17 it would work out to about 4.46 or something like that. That is pretty fast.

except the 1st 10 meters are the slowest because you gotta build speed from nothing. So I don't think a straight interpolation works exactly right for this

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Dude, I'm also pretty sure, no very sure your clueless here.
1.) I'm positive Lattimore was recruited as a DT. Have you been paying attention to what R. Morgan, K Bell and Doyle have all spoke to this the past 8 months?
2.) Duwa is starting off his career at DE and its a wait and see where he fits scenario like Welch and Beyer for example. If you read my post you'll see I said any number of these dudes may move inside didn't I?
3.) I said Slater may move inside didn't I?

C'mon man read and think before you post a response. Obviousky you didn't.

Where have your heard all this? The coaches weren't been able to say a word about the recruits until AFTER signing day in February. When exactly have you heard all of this relevant info from Morgan, Bell, and Doyle?

Also, I don't recommend calling other posters pinheads. Name calling never proves anything - other than suggesting your maturity-level. It most certainly doesn't prove anything, nor is it a justifiable answer in a thoughtful debate.

 

[INXS83]

Not sure I've seen a 6-7 DT, or whatever height Nelson is. Not saying he can't do it, but I wouldn't automatically move him to DT yet. '17 will be an interesting year depending on who Iowa gets in this class yet.

Didn't Ed Saidat play DT at Iowa during the Fry years? I believe he was 6'8" and hurt most of the time.

At 6'8" and 280#, M. Nelson should be able to 'set the edge' real well and hopefully stuff the run on his side. He's a 'work in progress' as a DE pass rusher, but so was Ott for at least his first couple of years.

I think this 2016 Hawk D could be pretty stout against the run. The front 7 are pretty salty.The new S is the only real unknown. Lomax was excellent against the run. King, Mabin & Taylor all support the run real well.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Didn't Ed Saidat play DT at Iowa during the Fry years? I believe he was 6'8" and hurt most of the time.

At 6'8" and 280#, M. Nelson should be able to 'set the edge' real well and hopefully stuff the run on his side. He's a 'work in progress' as a DE pass rusher, but so was Ott for at least his first couple of years.

I think this 2016 Hawk D could be pretty stout against the run. The front 7 are pretty salty.The new S is the only real unknown. Lomax was excellent against the run. King, Mabin & Taylor all support the run real well.

Matt Neubauer was 6'6" and got quality reps at DT - that was back in 2003, IIRC. Also, Carl Davis was listed as 6'5" ... so he wasn't exactly short either. Morgan is on record saying that Nelson is really good at consistently staying low ... and he's not a guy who lies or exaggerates about his players.

Will Matt Nelson be the one who moves to the interior? I don't know. I could see it - I could understand it. However, ultimately it will be about who are the best 4 and who are the best "fits."

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

100 meter times really have little correlation with football speed.
Tim Dwight might be the exception to that.
Go Hawks

Do you even think about what you type? Little correlation? Can't fix stupid I guess

 

[Hawks_Rock_12]

100 meter times really have little correlation with football speed.
Tim Dwight might be the exception to that.
Go Hawks

You'll have to talk with DutchyFunStar about the 100 meter state champ and football speed stuff. I was just making the point his 100 meter times aren't very impressive.