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Abe states with him being healthy and the corrections he has made the starting job at 184 will be his. I think if he has jumped levels and can stay somewhat injury free he is our best shot at a high AA this year. I think Wilson and Abe will battle for the spot at 184 and Brands will be the backup for Kem.
I fully believe Abe is the best option, but I have a hard time believing brands will just concede the spot that was his last year to sit behind Kemerer.
Unfortunately I think Nelson will have to wait a year. Abe is a true 84. I haven't seen Brands in a while so he may have filled the weight but Abe has always been there and I also think he's just better. Good problem to have I suppose.
No need to concede. He’s a bit undersized and Abe should beat him.
The key word there was “concede.” Grip’s post was that Wilson and Assad will battle at 184 and that Nelson will be down at 174. I disagree with that. He qualified for the NCAAs last year at 184. He’s not going to sit back and be content backing up 174. He’s going to make a run at 184. Time will tell whether he’s successful and until then it’s a matter of opinion who the starter will be.
Brands has had a bit of a pattern. Start the year like gang busters getting a big win over a ranked guy or two but seems to fade some as the year goes on. Closer matches and a lot of problems competing with big muscular full sized 184 pounders. I think he catches some guys early not being in peak form yet and wears down. Not being a full sized 184 is the main issue and I see a ceiling of low AA because of it.
Well then, Assad needs all the mat time he can get, if he’s going to be the guy, imo.
I’m not saying he will concede, my feeling is Abe has the size,strength and skills to not only take the spot, but High AA
This is the 2nd time in a week you've had to explain this. Your post says he won't even be at the weight so it's natural people are taking to mean he's not going to be at the weight.
So, if he’s undersized and there are two athletes ahead of him at 184, would/could it be possible he’s the second best guy at 174?
Asking for a frenemy….
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I certainly wasn't saying the above isn't possible, but that's a different subject.
We read it how we want but the comment didn't say anything about Brands being at 184. Regardless, it's been clarified.
Now, all that said, is the belief now that Nelson would be our 3rd stringer at 184? Aren't we getting carried away here?
In theory, a healthy and full sized athlete with pedigree should be considered a favorite.at that weight.
You truly are a special kind of stupid! Read it any way want the last thing anyone here needs to do is to explain anything to you.
Nelson's alpha was <184. Highly doubt he strolled in practice with the intent on cutting to make 184 for his alpha weigh in. He's a very small 184 right now. Abe's alpha was >197. He's going to be a horse at 184.
I think we all pretty much know that no one in the IOWA wrestling room is handing the starting spot to anyone regardless of weight. We also know that Brands was small for 184. If HawkeyeMass has the numbers above correct. Then Brands will still be undersizes for 184. He may not have the frame to bulk up any further then he has already and be a AA type Wrestlers.
Note- The actual weigh is not published, just the weight class you fall in based on the alpha. If someone is listed at HWT, they weighed >197 lbs (and so on).
Go to Trackwrestling, browse, seasons, college men, NCAA. That page will have the teams link with current rosters. Track handles all of the NCAA weight management tracking.
Sure. Myles Wilson has a career 5-3 collegiate record with nothing resembling a significant win, so what does that have to do with this conversation? (Not that I'm down on Myles Wilson. This is just for debate's sake.)
As usual...yeah...you had to explain it more than once...but I'm the stupid one.
Myles has struggled being healthy his entire career here. When healthy he has definitely shown flashes of AA capability. That combined with the fact that he is huge would have me putting him ahead of Nelson at 184 without a second thought.
U23's should give us a good idea of his potential.
If Brands is going to do anything he needs to pick up the pace like he had in high school and when he first got to Iowa. He’s becoming like Sorensen now, waiting around for his “go to” and last second wins. Not saying if he was like Sorensen would be a bad thing, but he’s not as good obviously. So pick it up and be an animal like his genetics want him to be.
He gets punished for taking bad shots against people bigger/stronger than him. It's my expectation that his pace and excitability will increase dramatically when he's back down to 174.
While I agree, he did have a great Big Tens last year and should’ve beaten Poz for 3rd. Can’t fault him for losing to Bolen and then just plain got beat by a better guy in the wrestlbacks. What would’ve been interesting is if he gets Poz’s draw if he was awarded the td at Big Tens. He may have ended up on the podium. But Assad will be the guy. Assad would’ve been the guy last year if not for injury. So far in 2 years at Iowa he hasn’t been in shape early in the year and has wrestled his way into shape. I’m expecting big things from Abe.
Nelson will certify at 174 and push and compete with Bull, PK, Kem, Abe, and Wilson. May the best/healthiest man win.
Next year all things even and healthy, I don’t see a scenario where it isn’t PK, Brands, Assad at 65/74/84. We should all be pickled tink.
Next year all things even and healthy, I don’t see a scenario where it isn’t PK, Brands, Assad at 65/74/84. We should all be pickled tink.
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Nelson will be a COMPLETELY different animal at ‘74 and you know it. Hard to take risk when you’re wrestling guys who walk around 25lbs heavier than you. Nelson is by no means a D1 ‘84 which makes his competitiveness there so damn impressive!
I’ve heard some of the very best people speaking very highly of Miles Davis. However, I’m not accusing you of fraternizing with the very best people or having the best sources like some of us have, thank you very much…
All might be true but that’s not a “pedigree.” I like Wilson but he’s not as accomplished as Nelson Brands in college.
Man I miss the days with the uncomfortably hot and awkwardly quiet wrestle offs in the room.
He did beat Chris Foca in a best of 3 series to make the U23 team. Same Foca that teched Max Dean. And last year he destroyed Nathan Haas who beat Owen Webster the week before (Webster beat Nelson). He's not a total unknown. He's just been hurt most of his career.
don't think you are old enough to remember miles davis
Webster didn’t beat Nelson. Nelson lost to Braunagel and Lyon in the regular season. Then lost to Brooks on the frontside at Big Tens and Poz in the 3rd place match. At NCAAs he lost to Bolen and then Kane from UNC.
“If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.”
you're totally right. misremembered that.
I would agree with this 100%. He hasn't been able to get a ton of matches in, but he just seems to be getting better. Maybe it's just my gut, but if nothing else he's a great backup to have available, and I would put him in before Brands too and let the chips fall where they may.
I want that Nelson Brands experience as an undersized 184 to come to an end. He can attempt to wreak havoc on the 174 lbers when Kem is gone, if he has it in him to do so (and Kennedy isn't in the way). He can get better in a lot of position's, and he'll probably need to if he wants to place fairly high at NCAA's and be a reliable point scorer there too.
Nelson has a lot of guts and "want to" to him, I hope he's able to put it all together at some point and he's a real force, just not sure it's in the cards. I guess we'll see.
That's why he's intriguing. He's barely wrestled any folkstyle and has good freestyle wins. We've had 2 years of Nelson wrestling full folkstyle seasons at 184. I think we have a pretty good idea what he is. We don't know what Wilson is. Could be better, could be worse. Imo, if the starter isn't Assad or Wilson, we shouldn't expect points out of 184.
