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Next seasons starters?

Just going to give my assessment of what I see if Hannah doesn't get hungry for that 4 spot next year.

If Heiden takes a step up and Hays is good as I think she is, Hannah may be the odd person out like Heiden is now at the end of next year.

Actually think Hays might have better footwork and is more smooth than Heiden. I already love Heiden and wish Jan would of went down the uptempo pace with Hannah/Heiden at the 5 instead of the stand still pace with AOG from the very beginning of this season. But I digress.

What I'm saying is I can see a scenario where both Heiden and Hays could pass Hannah at the 5. Hannah has this weird habit of just floating the ball to the rim like she got fouled on her bunnies. She doesn't do it all the time. However, she does it way too much.

Think the only thing that can save Hannah at the 5 next year is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs to her and even then Hannah can still do rim-rums from the 4 spot as well.

Just see Heiden/Hays breathing down Hannah's neck already for that 5 spot. Hays is a totally different animal than AOG. Think Hays could kick AOG's arse in about a half a season if she gets enough playing time. I'm talking both ends of floor combined here.

Guess another possible scenario that can save Hannah at the 5 is if Jan also tries to put Heiden at the 4 and Hannah stays at the 5. Maybe Heiden gets hungry for the 4 because she wants more PT and Hannah isn't developing at the 4. It just seems that either Hannah or Heiden have to win out at 4 and the the non-winner goes back to 5. That can work as well.

Don't want the double post (high/low) thing. The lane needs spacing for Deal/Guyton to work their magic to the rim, easy passes to a cutting post/player to the rim or kickouts for 3.

If they portal in a big gun at 4, I'd still want one of them to backup at the 4. Teagan and Houston are also wildcards for this 4 as well. What will they bring to the table? It will be interesting to see who is hungry enough to fill/backup this role.

Jan and crew will need to work overtime to figure out the 4 and 5 again next year. I'm just hoping some clear signs emerge early in preseason and we don't go 60% of season with trial and error again like this year.

“””” Jan and crew will need to work overtime to figure out the 4 and 5 again next year. I'm just hoping some clear signs emerge early in preseason and we don't go 60% of season with trial and error again like this year.””””

Most teams have to do some semblance of trial and error, and I’m not exactly sure that’s what I’d call what we did or that Jensen thinks “is” what we did based on the 20 minute presser I watched the other day🤷‍♂️


And you answered this statement

“”””” Heiden. I already love Heiden and wish Jan would of went down the uptempo pace with Hannah/Heiden at the 5 instead of the stand still pace with AOG from the very beginning of this season. But I digress.””””

here….

“”””” is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs to her and even then Hannah can still do rim-rums from the 4 spot as well.””””

They don’t have CC anymore, nor anyone even close to pulling this off.

The absolute only difference between the offense this year and last year is Caitlin Clark🤷‍♂️
 
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“””” Jan and crew will need to work overtime to figure out the 4 and 5 again next year. I'm just hoping some clear signs emerge early in preseason and we don't go 60% of season with trial and error again like this year.””””

Most teams have to do some semblance of trial and error, and I’m not exactly sure that’s what I’d call what we did or the Jensen thinks “is” what we did based on the 20 minute presser I watched the other day🤷‍♂️


And you answered this statement

“”””” Heiden. I already love Heiden and wish Jan would of went down the uptempo pace with Hannah/Heiden at the 5 instead of the stand still pace with AOG from the very beginning of this season. But I digress.””””

here….

“”””” is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs to her and even then Hannah can still do rim-rums from the 4 spot as well.””””

They don’t gave CC anymore, nor anyone even close to pulling this off.

The absolute only difference between the offense this year and last year is Caitlin Clark🤷‍♂️

So are you saying you don't believe Deal can pull off rim runs at the next level? Is that what you're saying? I would like to get you on record.

12/6/24 - Deal Interview @17:33 Q: What is your main style of play? A: I like to play fast, play with energy. Love to score. I really love transition where I kick the ball up to my teammates like those fast paced games.

Here are a few of those from the past HS season:
10/28/24 - Deal Rim Run @0:39:
10/7/24 - Deal Rim Run @0:37:
 
So are you saying you don't believe Deal can pull off rim runs at the next level? Is that what you're saying? I would like to get you on record.

12/6/24 - Deal Interview @17:33 Q: What is your main style of play? A: I like to play fast, play with energy. Love to score. I really love transition where I kick the ball up to my teammates like those fast paced games.

Here are a few of those from the past HS season:
10/28/24 - Deal Rim Run @0:39:
10/7/24 - Deal Rim Run @0:37:


Is Addie on this years team? Show me “where” that was said? I’ll wait…
 
Some player will take a big jump over the summer. This year, McCabe surprised me by becoming a much better all-around player. Feuerbach is a great defender, but McCabe’s defense has improved a lot.

If Stuelke develops a reliable 15 footer, she can play the 4.

As some mentioned above, maybe Heiden can play the 4 and leave Stuelke in the post. Or in some thread somewhere, they couple flip on defensive end with Heiden sliding to the post.

Finally, I love the “who will start next year” question, but minutes on the floor matters more. I took minutes played the last two seasons from the Iowa WBB stats. I expected the distribution to be very different between last season and this year. Nope.

2024-25mpgmpg2023-24
Olsen3434Clark
Affolter2929Marshall
Stuelke2828Martin
Feuerbach2424Stuelke
McCabe2224Affolter
O'Grady2123Davis
Stremlow1614Feuerbach
Guyton169Goodman
Heiden108O'Grady
Mallegni98McCabe
Gyamfi44Ediger
Ediger44Gyamfi
Levin33Johnson
Note 2: I rounded off this year’s minutes played. Last year’s minutes were already rounded off. They add up to more than they should even accounting fo overtime games.
Oh, they're rounded up alright. To the point of being meaningless. I highly doubt Heiden is playing 10 minutes a game. Not sure that K Johnson played more then 3 minutes the ENTIRE season. Same with Levin.
 
Is Addie on this years team? Show me “where” that was said? I’ll wait…


And you answered this statement

“”””” Heiden. I already love Heiden and wish Jan would of went down the uptempo pace with Hannah/Heiden at the 5 instead of the stand still pace with AOG from the very beginning of this season. But I digress.””””

here….

“”””” is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs to her and even then Hannah can still do rim-rums from the 4 spot as well.””””

They don’t have CC anymore, nor anyone even close to pulling this off.

No, Addie is not on this team. You mingled my this year Hannah/Heiden statement with my statement about Deal and rim runs next year to help Hannah. How and hell can that be an answer if Deal is not on this team?

I never said anything about doing rim runs with the current team. Only stated to do uptempo from the beginning of the year. Kinda like they've been doing more of during their winning streak w/Hanna starting at the 5 vs the gawdaweful slow down feeding the post with lobs to AOG. You can do uptempo without rim runs. I believe there are many teams that play uptempo today without having any rim runs like CC did for Hannah.

Yes, there's no one close who can do rim run passes this year and I never stated anyone could do it this year.

You are the one who stated, "And you answered this statement" ... here “”””” is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs."
The part that preceded ”is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs" is "can save Hannah at the 5 next year is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs to her ..."
Key key words in that statement are "next year."
Again, I presented rims runs as "next year" only. You stripped the "next year" and presented it as if I meant to say uptempo and rim rums are the same this year. When I did not mean that.

That's why you stated, "They don’t have CC anymore, nor anyone even close to pulling this off."
Why would you say that?
I never presented "uptempo" and "rim rums" as synonymous for this year's team. It was you who presented that in your reply. Not me.
I only presented "rim runs" next year with Deal to help Hanna out at the 5 like CC did with Hanna last year.

Of course, who doesn't know that we don't have CC?
I thought since I was talking about rim runs with "next year's" team only and you said no one can do that and Deal's name was in answer you supplied back to me, I was thinking you weren't aware that Deal may have the capability to do rim runs as well. I was thinking you were mocking the possibility of Deal doing rim runs next next year with Hannah.
Hence, my previous reply about Deal and rim runs.
 
Oh, they're rounded up alright. To the point of being meaningless. I highly doubt Heiden is playing 10 minutes a game. Not sure that K Johnson played more then 3 minutes the ENTIRE season. Same with Levin.

Bro, you need to learn how math works.

Heiden is averaging 9.6 minutes per game.
 
No, Addie is not on this team. You mingled my this year Hannah/Heiden statement with my statement about Deal and rim runs next year to help Hannah. How and hell can that be an answer if Deal is not on this team?

I never said anything about doing rim runs with the current team. Only stated to do uptempo from the beginning of the year. Kinda like they've been doing more of during their winning streak w/Hanna starting at the 5 vs the gawdaweful slow down feeding the post with lobs to AOG. You can do uptempo without rim runs. I believe there are many teams that play uptempo today without having any rim runs like CC did for Hannah.

Yes, there's no one close who can do rim run passes this year and I never stated anyone could do it this year.

You are the one who stated, "And you answered this statement" ... here “”””” is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs."
The part that preceded ”is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs" is "can save Hannah at the 5 next year is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs to her ..."
Key key words in that statement are "next year."
Again, I presented rims runs as "next year" only. You stripped the "next year" and presented it as if I meant to say uptempo and rim rums are the same this year. When I did not mean that.

That's why you stated, "They don’t have CC anymore, nor anyone even close to pulling this off."
Why would you say that?
I never presented "uptempo" and "rim rums" as synonymous for this year's team. It was you who presented that in your reply. Not me.
I only presented "rim runs" next year with Deal to help Hanna out at the 5 like CC did with Hanna last year.

Of course, who doesn't know that we don't have CC?
I thought since I was talking about rim runs with "next year's" team only and you said no one can do that and Deal's name was in answer you supplied back to me, I was thinking you weren't aware that Deal may have the capability to do rim runs as well. I was thinking you were mocking the possibility of Deal doing rim runs next next year with Hannah.
Hence, my previous reply about Deal and rim runs.


They were never doing a slow down offense, again the offense has not changed. Everything is predicated on the fact that you believe they ran a different offense. If you listen to what Jan had to say, they haven’t really changed anything. They tweaked a number of things and they did Quit throwing the lob pass because nobody was capable of executing it.

This whole conversation is based on this one fact…

Every time a game doesn’t go the way our fans think it ought to go. It’s because of something dumb, the coach did when in reality it’s because the players aren’t doing what they’re supposed to be doing.

Period!
 
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Jensen will work with Hannah to develop her 4 skills. Hannah's pro future will be as a forward. Ava is star ready to explode. Hayes is mobile like Ava and will Iowa a post presence beyond what we've seen. I continue to have this fantasy of Heiden's mobility at 4. Too good to be true, but she moves like a gazelle at 6'5". Jayla is fast, quick and mobile for her 6'5" size too.

I'll be 76 years old but am in decent health. I want to live long enough to see this team play next year.
Dad?
 
Oh, they're rounded up alright. To the point of being meaningless. I highly doubt Heiden is playing 10 minutes a game. Not sure that K Johnson played more then 3 minutes the ENTIRE season. Same with Levin.
Bro, you need to learn how math works.

Heiden is averaging 9.6 minutes per game.
When these stats show minutes per game, it actually means minutes per game played. Ava has not played in 4 games. And, she's played 2 minutes or less in 3 games. 6 of the 7 games that she essentially did not play have occurred in the last 10 games. In the last 4 games she has played 2 minutes.

I did the math - if you don't consider these 7 games, you can get to 10 minutes per game. But it's a very misleading stat.
 
With O'Grady gone ... we'll be down a big. So Heiden's numbers will go up ... and Hannah will probably continue to split between the 4 and 5.

As for starters ... if Deal is as good as advertised ... then there's plenty of reason to suppose that Deal and Guyton will be two of our top guards. Hannah is obviously a starter ... the question is where ... the 4 or 5.

McCabe has done a good job of trying to be more than a niche player. Thus, she's potentially a starter. She needs to continue to be assertive as it relates to being a scorer ... and look to be able to create here own shot. If she remains a catch-and-shoot player ... then she'll remain a player who might be best as the 1st player off the bench.

In terms of versatility, I'm still pretty intrigued by Mallegni. Once we got into Big 10 play ... she seemed to lose a little confidence. However, she has a good deep shot, she has good size and strength, and she's an assertive defender.

I could imagine a universe where our starters next season were:
Guyton
Deal
Mallegni
Stuelke
Heiden

Of course, I'm sill curious about how things will look relating to the transfer portal ... because we still have roster spots to fill. Will we land anyone who could push for a starting gig?

Short of that info ... were we to opt for more of a small-ball line-up:
Guyton
Deal
McCabe
Mallegni
Stuelke
 
They were never doing a slow down offense, again the offense has not changed. Everything is predicated on the fact that you believe they ran a different offense. If you listen to what Jan had to say, they haven’t really changed anything. They tweaked a number of things and they did Quit throwing the lob pass because nobody was capable of executing it.

This whole conversation is based on this one fact…

Every time a game doesn’t go the way our fans think it ought to go. It’s because of something dumb, the coach did when in reality it’s because the players aren’t doing what they’re supposed to be doing.

Period!
CM, he never said that Jensen made a complete change in offense. He was stating that Hannah/AOG at the 4 and 5 was slower tempo and that Hannah/AH at the 4 and 5 would be faster tempo (for next year).
 
With O'Grady gone ... we'll be down a big. So Heiden's numbers will go up ... and Hannah will probably continue to split between the 4 and 5.

As for starters ... if Deal is as good as advertised ... then there's plenty of reason to suppose that Deal and Guyton will be two of our top guards. Hannah is obviously a starter ... the question is where ... the 4 or 5.

McCabe has done a good job of trying to be more than a niche player. Thus, she's potentially a starter. She needs to continue to be assertive as it relates to being a scorer ... and look to be able to create here own shot. If she remains a catch-and-shoot player ... then she'll remain a player who might be best as the 1st player off the bench.

In terms of versatility, I'm still pretty intrigued by Mallegni. Once we got into Big 10 play ... she seemed to lose a little confidence. However, she has a good deep shot, she has good size and strength, and she's an assertive defender.

I could imagine a universe where our starters next season were:
Guyton
Deal
Mallegni
Stuelke
Heiden

Of course, I'm sill curious about how things will look relating to the transfer portal ... because we still have roster spots to fill. Will we land anyone who could push for a starting gig?

Short of that info ... were we to opt for more of a small-ball line-up:
Guyton
Deal
McCabe
Mallegni
Stuelke
Agree. I could see the smaller lineup working if Deal can be a great facilitator like CC and Olson, and I think she can/will. If not, McCabe and Stuelke will struggle because they have glaring weaknesses. I also hate the thought of going smaller lineup because that means you have 2 great athletic bigs coming off the bench. I'm hoping they go bigger lineup and hope that either Stuelke or Heiden develop a nice jump shot.
 
CM, he never said that Jensen made a complete change in offense. He was stating that Hannah/AOG at the 4 and 5 was slower tempo and that Hannah/AH at the 4 and 5 would be faster tempo (for next year).


Excuse me……..

This is literally Verbatim what he said….

“”” I already love Heiden and wish Jan would have went down the uptempo pace with Hannah/Heiden at the 5 instead of the stand still pace with AOG from the very beginning of this season.””””

It wasn’t a real option this year w/our guard play. I am beginning to see a trend with you guys though… You honestly don’t really know what you say &/or imply. You think you were saying something other than what you put down on paper, is all I can assume🤷‍♂️
 
Excuse me……..

This is literally Verbatim what he said….

“”” I already love Heiden and wish Jan would have went down the uptempo pace with Hannah/Heiden at the 5 instead of the stand still pace with AOG from the very beginning of this season.””””

It wasn’t a real option this year w/our guard play. I am beginning to see a trend with you guys though… You honestly don’t really know what you say &/or imply. You think you were saying something other than what you put down on paper, is all I can assume🤷‍♂️
Ya I don't see him saying that is a change in offensive philosophy there. I see him saying that playing AH instead of AOG would have been more up tempo. Quit being weird.
 
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Ya I don't see him saying that is a change in offensive philosophy there. I see him saying that playing AH instead of AOG would have been more up tempo. Quit being weird.

Holy shit, Batman, they couldn’t run the up-tempo that he wanted them to run this year not because of Jan, but because of personnel…

And although I’m not suggesting in and of itself, its an offensive system change, there is the implication that the dumb old coach screwed up…you stop being weird or disingenuous, at the least?

And it would fit someone that typically takes stances similar to you, to pretend like the “angry’s” haven’t insinuated Jan “changed“ the offense” & effed up. It must be awesome to live in a world where you completely forget or compartmentalize the things you said yesterday or the day before.🤷‍♂️
 
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Holy shit, Batman, they couldn’t run the up-tempo that he wanted them to run this year not because of Jan, but because of personnel…

And although I’m not suggesting in and of itself, its an offensive system change, there is the implication that the dumb old coach screwed up…you stop being weird or disingenuous, at the least?

And it would fit someone that typically takes stances similar to you, to pretend like the “angry’s” haven’t insinuated Jan “changed“ the offense” & effed up. It must be awesome to live in a world where you completely forget or compartmentalize the things you said yesterday or the day before.🤷‍♂️
Take a chill pill CM. You go bonkers for the simplest of reasons. I'm on your side more often than not, particularly in the football forum. But you wouldn't know that because I say something you disagree with and now I'm the hated enemy to your opinions. No need to be so combative. I think the players and coaches have made mistakes but are also learning. Proud of them for that.
 
Take a chill pill CM. You go bonkers for the simplest of reasons. I'm on your side more often than not, particularly in the football forum. But you wouldn't know that because I say something you disagree with and now I'm the hated enemy to your opinions. No need to be so combative. I think the players and coaches have made mistakes but are also learning. Proud of them for that.

That’s an extreme exaggeration and/or projection of something you couldn’t ascertain because you can’t see or hear me. Second of all, I haven’t been on the football board. I don’t think in six or seven months that place is a disaster.

And I have no enemies, nor do I care if anybody agrees with me to be perfectly honest, nor do I remember if you do or don’t typically agree with me… I’m not trying to be a dick here when I say this, but there’s an outside chance it’s more personal to you than it is me🤷‍♂️

I just say what’s in my head… And I have no real personal attachments to any of these coaches it does however insult my intelligence, some of the things that get said😕
 
Take a chill pill CM. You go bonkers for the simplest of reasons. I'm on your side more often than not, particularly in the football forum. But you wouldn't know that because I say something you disagree with and now I'm the hated enemy to your opinions. No need to be so combative. I think the players and coaches have made mistakes but are also learning. Proud of them for that.

PS, yes, the team has been pretty impressive, and yes, I even quit watching for a little while myself, and Yes, the coaches are far from infallible.

With that said if you’ve ever worked for a boss or with a group of people that Nit picked you constantly behind your back, or even out loud, you would know how shitty it is and it might make you think think differently.

It’s hard for me to fathom constantly being up in arms and pissed off at the coach for losing a game. I mean to me, and I readily admit maybe I’m over the top, but it’s damn near a character flaw and more than that….its happening on every damn board even it’s it’s a Hall of Fame coach. The fans are complaining about how he lost the game. I mean, what the holy Hell🤪
 
Take a chill pill CM. You go bonkers for the simplest of reasons. I'm on your side more often than not, particularly in the football forum. But you wouldn't know that because I say something you disagree with and now I'm the hated enemy to your opinions. No need to be so combative. I think the players and coaches have made mistakes but are also learning. Proud of them for that.


PPS…. I guess if you typically agree with me, I probably should apologize for lumping you in the group with the others so forgive me of that.
 
Guyton
Deal
Fuerbach
Stuelke
Heiden

McCabe for Guyton
Stremlow for Guyton, Fuerbach
Mellegni for Fuerbach, Stuelke
Hays for Heiden
Houston TBD

Run like hell with this team
 
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Bro, you need to learn how math works.

Heiden is averaging 9.6 minutes per game.
My ass she is. I can do math just fine. Try reading pablows post right below yours. Its ridiculous to say she's "averaging 10 minutes a game" when that stat only includes the games in which she's played since she had 3 or 4 games where she never got off the bench. She is NOT averaging 10 minutes a game. Now you could say she's averaged almost 10 minutes in the games she has PLAYED in. That would be accurate. The other is pure nonsense. Kenise Johnson's makes that really clear. Saying she's averaging 3 minutes/gm last season when she only appeared in one game for 3 minutes shows just how silly it is to use that metric.
 
CM, he never said that Jensen made a complete change in offense. He was stating that Hannah/AOG at the 4 and 5 was slower tempo and that Hannah/AH at the 4 and 5 would be faster tempo (for next year).
And boy is that evident ... I was at the Nebraska game. O'Grady runs down the court like she's a grandma compared to Hannah and Ava. Given O'Grady's height, I've been surprised at how poor her rebounding has been too. Of course, that all said ... through the first part of the season, she was worlds better than she ever had been before.

Also, I genuinely wonder why Hannah has been missing so many bunnies these days. Seems strange.
 
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Guyton
Deal
Fuerbach
Stuelke
Heiden

McCabe for Guyton
Stremlow for Guyton, Fuerbach
Mellegni for Fuerbach, Stuelke
Hays for Heiden
Houston TBD

Run like hell with this team
What are the odds that Fuerbach sticks around? I've been under the impression that she had been intending on moving on after the season. NIL or something starting to make her change her mind or something?
 
What are the odds that Fuerbach sticks around? I've been under the impression that she had been intending on moving on after the season. NIL or something starting to make her change her mind or something?
There was a Chad Leistikow piece on Kylie in the DMR a week or so ago that said her return for next year was TBD. Before that everything I had seen was that this would be her last year. He didn't quote anyone. Did he just pull this out of his ass?

We have three scholarships available, she has become the best defensive player we have had in years, and we will be hurting for upperclassmen next year.
 
I think the better way to look at next year is not who starts, but how will the minutes be divided up.
There are 200 minutes in a game.
~10 (2min x 5 player’s garbage time.
25 Hannah
25 Guyton
25 Deal
25 McCabe
20 Heiden
20 Stremlow
20 Malleni
20 Kylie*
—————
190
10 misc w 10 garbage for anyone outside top 8.
(65 for HS/AH/Malleni, so need more size minutes)
 
My ass she is. I can do math just fine. Try reading pablows post right below yours. Its ridiculous to say she's "averaging 10 minutes a game" when that stat only includes the games in which she's played since she had 3 or 4 games where she never got off the bench. She is NOT averaging 10 minutes a game. Now you could say she's averaged almost 10 minutes in the games she has PLAYED in. That would be accurate. The other is pure nonsense. Kenise Johnson's makes that really clear. Saying she's averaging 3 minutes/gm last season when she only appeared in one game for 3 minutes shows just how silly it is to use that metric.

All "minutes per game" stats on stat sites are listed as minutes played per games played. Not minutes played per teams games played. So compiling the stats in the original comparison that you complained was done using the former.

The comparison is an apples to apples comparison of this year and last year, using the same metric, which does have warts.

It is an apples to apples comparision. You want to change one side to oranges, but leave the other as apples.

If you want to go back thru this season and last season, compute each player's minutes played per team games played, and post the comparison, go right ahead. I bet the numbers will look similar.

The original comparison is valid. You calling is "meaningless" is laughable.
 
All "minutes per game" stats on stat sites are listed as minutes played per games played. Not minutes played per teams games played. So compiling the stats in the original comparison that you complained was done using the former.

The comparison is an apples to apples comparison of this year and last year, using the same metric, which does have warts.

It is an apples to apples comparision. You want to change one side to oranges, but leave the other as apples.

If you want to go back thru this season and last season, compute each player's minutes played per team games played, and post the comparison, go right ahead. I bet the numbers will look similar.

The original comparison is valid. You calling is "meaningless" is laughable.
Sorry, but its not apples to apples, so it makes zero sense. Think about it. In the same chart where you have a Clark or an Olsen and it says they play 34 minutes /gm. it says Heiden plays 10 minutes /gm. That makes zero sense when your going to put players who play EVERY game and so their min/gm are a factual representation of the min/gm they play, and on the same chart you put players who do NOT play every game, (if at all) (Kenise Johnson at 3 min/gm when she only played 3 min in 39 games), totally makes it a false representation of the actual time played.
 
There was a Chad Leistikow piece on Kylie in the DMR a week or so ago that said her return for next year was TBD. Before that everything I had seen was that this would be her last year. He didn't quote anyone. Did he just pull this out of his ass?

We have three scholarships available, she has become the best defensive player we have had in years, and we will be hurting for upperclassmen next year.
Leistikow might just be remarking upon the fact that Kylie is eligible to have another year - and she hasn't publicly stated what she will definitively do yet. Thus, I don't think he's pulling anything out of ass ... I just don't think that there is anything to pull out in this instance (nothing of substance ... that is .... <enter feces joke here>).
 
Sorry, but its not apples to apples, so it makes zero sense. Think about it. In the same chart where you have a Clark or an Olsen and it says they play 34 minutes /gm. it says Heiden plays 10 minutes /gm. That makes zero sense when your going to put players who play EVERY game and so their min/gm are a factual representation of the min/gm they play, and on the same chart you put players who do NOT play every game, (if at all) (Kenise Johnson at 3 min/gm when she only played 3 min in 39 games), totally makes it a false representation of the actual time played.
I took the stats available to me to make a chart. Feel free to make your own chart.
 
What are the odds that Fuerbach sticks around? I've been under the impression that she had been intending on moving on after the season. NIL or something starting to make her change her mind or something?
I’d be pleasantly surprised if she comes back. She turns 24 in May and she appears to be ready to move on with life. She has a boyfriend who has a shot at the NBA, and certainly will be playing basketball somewhere next season. I don’t know if they are planning a life together, but if they are, she might head off to support him in his professional basketball life. I’d love to have her on the team one more year, but it seems unlikely.
 
I took the stats available to me to make a chart. Feel free to make your own chart.
Honestly it was not trying to be critical of you making that info available. Obviously there are others like ichawk24 who think those numbers make sense. I just disagree. This may very well be how those numbers get posted. I'm just saying if your actually going to start plugging players into that formula ad then using numbers like Ava played 10 minutes/gm and KJ played 3 min/gm and then relate that into a minutes/gm for the roster you'd end up with 225-230 minutes per/gm out of 200 possible minutes because several of those players don't actually play that number of minutes per actual game.
 
Honestly it was not trying to be critical of you making that info available. Obviously there are others like ichawk24 who think those numbers make sense. I just disagree. This may very well be how those numbers get posted. I'm just saying if your actually going to start plugging players into that formula ad then using numbers like Ava played 10 minutes/gm and KJ played 3 min/gm and then relate that into a minutes/gm for the roster you'd end up with 225-230 minutes per/gm out of 200 possible minutes because several of those players don't actually play that number of minutes per actual game.
The caveat with the points that both of you are mentioning is that it doesn't account for whether the players are physically available or not.

It's true that if a player is physically available but still doesn't receive playing time ... then that should essentially count as 0 minutes.

However, if a player is NOT physically available and is a DNP ... then it shouldn't reflect anything relating to their minutes.

Lastly, there is that middle ground too ... when a player is medically cleared, but not 100%. In such a case, if a player is not 100% ... then the question is whether their 80 or 90% is better than 100% from the next best option. Often it's not ... particularly if you have a team that wants to run in transition. In such a case, the issue has a little less to deal with the player and more to do with their current state.

Of course, we, as fans, aren't privy to all the nuanced information concerning the athletes (HIPAA-policies and stuff like that being what they are) ... so there is actually a surprising amount of guesswork that goes into getting ACCURATE minutes per game for the players.
 
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By popular demand, here is it, a true minutes per team games played. Looks similar to the previous comparison.

PlayerMPMPGPlayerMPMPG
1Caitlin Clark1359
34.8​
Lucy Olsen782
31.3​
5Gabbie Marshall1135
29.1​
Sydney Affolter693
27.7​
2Kate Martin1122
28.8​
Hannah Stuelke649
26.0​
4Sydney Affolter969
24.8​
Kylie Feuerbach594
23.8​
3Hannah Stuelke858
22.0​
Taylor McCabe555
22.2​
6Molly Davis729
18.7​
Addison O'Grady518
20.7​
10Kylie Feuerbach541
13.9​
Taylor Stremlow397
15.9​
7Addison O'Grady335
8.6​
Aaliyah Guyton317
12.7​
8Sharon Goodman300
7.7​
Teagan Mallegni230
9.2​
9Taylor McCabe270
6.9​
Ava Heiden202
8.1​
11AJ Ediger108
2.8​
AJ Ediger34
1.4​
12Jada Gyamfi82
2.1​
Jada Gyamfi31
1.2​
13Kennise Johnson43
1.1​
Callie Levin23
0.9
 
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By popular demand, here is it, a true minutes per team games played. Looks similar to the previous comparison.

PlayerMPMPGPlayerMPMPG
1Caitlin Clark1359
34.8​
Lucy Olsen782
31.3​
5Gabbie Marshall1135
29.1​
Sydney Affolter693
27.7​
2Kate Martin1122
28.8​
Hannah Stuelke649
26.0​
4Sydney Affolter969
24.8​
Kylie Feuerbach594
23.8​
3Hannah Stuelke858
22.0​
Taylor McCabe555
22.2​
6Molly Davis729
18.7​
Addison O'Grady518
20.7​
10Kylie Feuerbach541
13.9​
Taylor Stremlow397
15.9​
7Addison O'Grady335
8.6​
Aaliyah Guyton317
12.7​
8Sharon Goodman300
7.7​
Teagan Mallegni230
9.2​
9Taylor McCabe270
6.9​
Ava Heiden202
8.1​
11AJ Ediger108
2.8​
AJ Ediger34
1.4​
12Jada Gyamfi82
2.1​
Jada Gyamfi31
1.2​
13Kennise Johnson43
1.1​
Callie Levin23
0.9​
What exactly do you mean be "true" minutes per team games played?
 
By popular demand, here is it, a true minutes per team games played. Looks similar to the previous comparison.

PlayerMPMPGPlayerMPMPG
1Caitlin Clark1359
34.8​
Lucy Olsen782
31.3​
5Gabbie Marshall1135
29.1​
Sydney Affolter693
27.7​
2Kate Martin1122
28.8​
Hannah Stuelke649
26.0​
4Sydney Affolter969
24.8​
Kylie Feuerbach594
23.8​
3Hannah Stuelke858
22.0​
Taylor McCabe555
22.2​
6Molly Davis729
18.7​
Addison O'Grady518
20.7​
10Kylie Feuerbach541
13.9​
Taylor Stremlow397
15.9​
7Addison O'Grady335
8.6​
Aaliyah Guyton317
12.7​
8Sharon Goodman300
7.7​
Teagan Mallegni230
9.2​
9Taylor McCabe270
6.9​
Ava Heiden202
8.1​
11AJ Ediger108
2.8​
AJ Ediger34
1.4​
12Jada Gyamfi82
2.1​
Jada Gyamfi31
1.2​
13Kennise Johnson43
1.1​
Callie Levin23
0.9​
Thanks for posting that. Appreciate your effort.
 
What exactly do you mean be "true" minutes per team games played?
He was replying to me saying that the earlier graph showed players whose minutes played were based off of only the games in which they played. Ex: KJ shown as 3 minutes/gm, when she only played in one game for 3 minutes last season. It had Heiden at 10 min/gm, but made no allowance for her not playing at all in 4 games, so her actual minutes are more like 8 min/gm. This is in reference to the poster who was plotting next seasons minutes available, but I thought that was not a true reference to minutes played per game, because if you added the minutes up they came up to well over the 200 available minutes. Of course thats because as an ex: you be crediting KJ with 3 minutes per game when she really only played on average about 5 seconds per game if your using this to plot available minutes vs those who played. Hence the "true minutes".
 
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