Next seasons starters?

[Cymonhawk]

No. She stays at the five. It's for the best.

Maybe you could explain to Heiden and Hayes why its for the best? The sooner Hannah adapts to shooting jumpshots the better. Otherwise we're in the same situation with a lot of length getting benchtime. If Hannah doesn't expand her shooting abilities she will have no future in the WNBA.

 

[cmhawks99]

Just going to give my assessment of what I see if Hannah doesn't get hungry for that 4 spot next year.

If Heiden takes a step up and Hays is good as I think she is, Hannah may be the odd person out like Heiden is now at the end of next year.

Actually think Hays might have better footwork and is more smooth than Heiden. I already love Heiden and wish Jan would of went down the uptempo pace with Hannah/Heiden at the 5 instead of the stand still pace with AOG from the very beginning of this season. But I digress.

What I'm saying is I can see a scenario where both Heiden and Hays could pass Hannah at the 5. Hannah has this weird habit of just floating the ball to the rim like she got fouled on her bunnies. She doesn't do it all the time. However, she does it way too much.

Think the only thing that can save Hannah at the 5 next year is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs to her and even then Hannah can still do rim-rums from the 4 spot as well.

Just see Heiden/Hays breathing down Hannah's neck already for that 5 spot. Hays is a totally different animal than AOG. Think Hays could kick AOG's arse in about a half a season if she gets enough playing time. I'm talking both ends of floor combined here.

Guess another possible scenario that can save Hannah at the 5 is if Jan also tries to put Heiden at the 4 and Hannah stays at the 5. Maybe Heiden gets hungry for the 4 because she wants more PT and Hannah isn't developing at the 4. It just seems that either Hannah or Heiden have to win out at 4 and the the non-winner goes back to 5. That can work as well.

Don't want the double post (high/low) thing. The lane needs spacing for Deal/Guyton to work their magic to the rim, easy passes to a cutting post/player to the rim or kickouts for 3.

If they portal in a big gun at 4, I'd still want one of them to backup at the 4. Teagan and Houston are also wildcards for this 4 as well. What will they bring to the table? It will be interesting to see who is hungry enough to fill/backup this role.

Jan and crew will need to work overtime to figure out the 4 and 5 again next year. I'm just hoping some clear signs emerge early in preseason and we don't go 60% of season with trial and error again like this year.

“””” Jan and crew will need to work overtime to figure out the 4 and 5 again next year. I'm just hoping some clear signs emerge early in preseason and we don't go 60% of season with trial and error again like this year.””””

Most teams have to do some semblance of trial and error, and I’m not exactly sure that’s what I’d call what we did or that Jensen thinks “is” what we did based on the 20 minute presser I watched the other day🤷‍♂️


And you answered this statement

“”””” Heiden. I already love Heiden and wish Jan would of went down the uptempo pace with Hannah/Heiden at the 5 instead of the stand still pace with AOG from the very beginning of this season. But I digress.””””

here….

“”””” is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs to her and even then Hannah can still do rim-rums from the 4 spot as well.””””

They don’t have CC anymore, nor anyone even close to pulling this off.

The absolute only difference between the offense this year and last year is Caitlin Clark🤷‍♂️

 

[HawksGoneWild1]

“””” Jan and crew will need to work overtime to figure out the 4 and 5 again next year. I'm just hoping some clear signs emerge early in preseason and we don't go 60% of season with trial and error again like this year.””””

Most teams have to do some semblance of trial and error, and I’m not exactly sure that’s what I’d call what we did or the Jensen thinks “is” what we did based on the 20 minute presser I watched the other day🤷‍♂️


And you answered this statement

“”””” Heiden. I already love Heiden and wish Jan would of went down the uptempo pace with Hannah/Heiden at the 5 instead of the stand still pace with AOG from the very beginning of this season. But I digress.””””

here….

“”””” is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs to her and even then Hannah can still do rim-rums from the 4 spot as well.””””

They don’t gave CC anymore, nor anyone even close to pulling this off.

The absolute only difference between the offense this year and last year is Caitlin Clark🤷‍♂️

So are you saying you don't believe Deal can pull off rim runs at the next level? Is that what you're saying? I would like to get you on record.

12/6/24 - Deal Interview @17:33 Q: What is your main style of play? A: I like to play fast, play with energy. Love to score. I really love transition where I kick the ball up to my teammates like those fast paced games.

Here are a few of those from the past HS season:
10/28/24 - Deal Rim Run @0:39:
10/7/24 - Deal Rim Run @0:37:

 

[cmhawks99]

So are you saying you don't believe Deal can pull off rim runs at the next level? Is that what you're saying? I would like to get you on record.

12/6/24 - Deal Interview @17:33 Q: What is your main style of play? A: I like to play fast, play with energy. Love to score. I really love transition where I kick the ball up to my teammates like those fast paced games.

Here are a few of those from the past HS season:
10/28/24 - Deal Rim Run @0:39:

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10/7/24 - Deal Rim Run @0:37:

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Is Addie on this years team? Show me “where” that was said? I’ll wait…

 

[kceasthawk]

Some player will take a big jump over the summer. This year, McCabe surprised me by becoming a much better all-around player. Feuerbach is a great defender, but McCabe’s defense has improved a lot.

If Stuelke develops a reliable 15 footer, she can play the 4.

As some mentioned above, maybe Heiden can play the 4 and leave Stuelke in the post. Or in some thread somewhere, they couple flip on defensive end with Heiden sliding to the post.

Finally, I love the “who will start next year” question, but minutes on the floor matters more. I took minutes played the last two seasons from the Iowa WBB stats. I expected the distribution to be very different between last season and this year. Nope.

2024-25	mpg	mpg	2023-24
Olsen	34	34	Clark
Affolter	29	29	Marshall
Stuelke	28	28	Martin
Feuerbach	24	24	Stuelke
McCabe	22	24	Affolter
O'Grady	21	23	Davis
Stremlow	16	14	Feuerbach
Guyton	16	9	Goodman
Heiden	10	8	O'Grady
Mallegni	9	8	McCabe
Gyamfi	4	4	Ediger
Ediger	4	4	Gyamfi
Levin	3	3	Johnson

Note 2: I rounded off this year’s minutes played. Last year’s minutes were already rounded off. They add up to more than they should even accounting fo overtime games.

Oh, they're rounded up alright. To the point of being meaningless. I highly doubt Heiden is playing 10 minutes a game. Not sure that K Johnson played more then 3 minutes the ENTIRE season. Same with Levin.

 

[HawksGoneWild1]

Is Addie on this years team? Show me “where” that was said? I’ll wait…

And you answered this statement

“”””” Heiden. I already love Heiden and wish Jan would of went down the uptempo pace with Hannah/Heiden at the 5 instead of the stand still pace with AOG from the very beginning of this season. But I digress.””””

here….

“”””” is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs to her and even then Hannah can still do rim-rums from the 4 spot as well.””””

They don’t have CC anymore, nor anyone even close to pulling this off.

No, Addie is not on this team. You mingled my this year Hannah/Heiden statement with my statement about Deal and rim runs next year to help Hannah. How and hell can that be an answer if Deal is not on this team?

I never said anything about doing rim runs with the current team. Only stated to do uptempo from the beginning of the year. Kinda like they've been doing more of during their winning streak w/Hanna starting at the 5 vs the gawdaweful slow down feeding the post with lobs to AOG. You can do uptempo without rim runs. I believe there are many teams that play uptempo today without having any rim runs like CC did for Hannah.

Yes, there's no one close who can do rim run passes this year and I never stated anyone could do it this year.

You are the one who stated, "And you answered this statement" ... here “”””” is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs."
The part that preceded ”is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs" is "can save Hannah at the 5 next year is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs to her ..."
Key key words in that statement are "next year."
Again, I presented rims runs as "next year" only. You stripped the "next year" and presented it as if I meant to say uptempo and rim rums are the same this year. When I did not mean that.

That's why you stated, "They don’t have CC anymore, nor anyone even close to pulling this off."
Why would you say that?
I never presented "uptempo" and "rim rums" as synonymous for this year's team. It was you who presented that in your reply. Not me.
I only presented "rim runs" next year with Deal to help Hanna out at the 5 like CC did with Hanna last year.

Of course, who doesn't know that we don't have CC?
I thought since I was talking about rim runs with "next year's" team only and you said no one can do that and Deal's name was in answer you supplied back to me, I was thinking you weren't aware that Deal may have the capability to do rim runs as well. I was thinking you were mocking the possibility of Deal doing rim runs next next year with Hannah.
Hence, my previous reply about Deal and rim runs.

 

[ichawk24]

Oh, they're rounded up alright. To the point of being meaningless. I highly doubt Heiden is playing 10 minutes a game. Not sure that K Johnson played more then 3 minutes the ENTIRE season. Same with Levin.

Bro, you need to learn how math works.

Heiden is averaging 9.6 minutes per game.

 

[cmhawks99]

No, Addie is not on this team. You mingled my this year Hannah/Heiden statement with my statement about Deal and rim runs next year to help Hannah. How and hell can that be an answer if Deal is not on this team?

I never said anything about doing rim runs with the current team. Only stated to do uptempo from the beginning of the year. Kinda like they've been doing more of during their winning streak w/Hanna starting at the 5 vs the gawdaweful slow down feeding the post with lobs to AOG. You can do uptempo without rim runs. I believe there are many teams that play uptempo today without having any rim runs like CC did for Hannah.

Yes, there's no one close who can do rim run passes this year and I never stated anyone could do it this year.

You are the one who stated, "And you answered this statement" ... here “”””” is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs."
The part that preceded ”is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs" is "can save Hannah at the 5 next year is if Deal can facilitate Clark-like rim-runs to her ..."
Key key words in that statement are "next year."
Again, I presented rims runs as "next year" only. You stripped the "next year" and presented it as if I meant to say uptempo and rim rums are the same this year. When I did not mean that.

That's why you stated, "They don’t have CC anymore, nor anyone even close to pulling this off."
Why would you say that?
I never presented "uptempo" and "rim rums" as synonymous for this year's team. It was you who presented that in your reply. Not me.
I only presented "rim runs" next year with Deal to help Hanna out at the 5 like CC did with Hanna last year.

Of course, who doesn't know that we don't have CC?
I thought since I was talking about rim runs with "next year's" team only and you said no one can do that and Deal's name was in answer you supplied back to me, I was thinking you weren't aware that Deal may have the capability to do rim runs as well. I was thinking you were mocking the possibility of Deal doing rim runs next next year with Hannah.
Hence, my previous reply about Deal and rim runs.

They were never doing a slow down offense, again the offense has not changed. Everything is predicated on the fact that you believe they ran a different offense. If you listen to what Jan had to say, they haven’t really changed anything. They tweaked a number of things and they did Quit throwing the lob pass because nobody was capable of executing it.

This whole conversation is based on this one fact…

Every time a game doesn’t go the way our fans think it ought to go. It’s because of something dumb, the coach did when in reality it’s because the players aren’t doing what they’re supposed to be doing.

Period!

 

[jellyfish10]

Jensen will work with Hannah to develop her 4 skills. Hannah's pro future will be as a forward. Ava is star ready to explode. Hayes is mobile like Ava and will Iowa a post presence beyond what we've seen. I continue to have this fantasy of Heiden's mobility at 4. Too good to be true, but she moves like a gazelle at 6'5". Jayla is fast, quick and mobile for her 6'5" size too.

I'll be 76 years old but am in decent health. I want to live long enough to see this team play next year.

Dad?

 

[pablow]

Oh, they're rounded up alright. To the point of being meaningless. I highly doubt Heiden is playing 10 minutes a game. Not sure that K Johnson played more then 3 minutes the ENTIRE season. Same with Levin.

Bro, you need to learn how math works.

Heiden is averaging 9.6 minutes per game.

When these stats show minutes per game, it actually means minutes per game played. Ava has not played in 4 games. And, she's played 2 minutes or less in 3 games. 6 of the 7 games that she essentially did not play have occurred in the last 10 games. In the last 4 games she has played 2 minutes.

I did the math - if you don't consider these 7 games, you can get to 10 minutes per game. But it's a very misleading stat.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

With O'Grady gone ... we'll be down a big. So Heiden's numbers will go up ... and Hannah will probably continue to split between the 4 and 5.

As for starters ... if Deal is as good as advertised ... then there's plenty of reason to suppose that Deal and Guyton will be two of our top guards. Hannah is obviously a starter ... the question is where ... the 4 or 5.

McCabe has done a good job of trying to be more than a niche player. Thus, she's potentially a starter. She needs to continue to be assertive as it relates to being a scorer ... and look to be able to create here own shot. If she remains a catch-and-shoot player ... then she'll remain a player who might be best as the 1st player off the bench.

In terms of versatility, I'm still pretty intrigued by Mallegni. Once we got into Big 10 play ... she seemed to lose a little confidence. However, she has a good deep shot, she has good size and strength, and she's an assertive defender.

I could imagine a universe where our starters next season were:
Guyton
Deal
Mallegni
Stuelke
Heiden

Of course, I'm sill curious about how things will look relating to the transfer portal ... because we still have roster spots to fill. Will we land anyone who could push for a starting gig?

Short of that info ... were we to opt for more of a small-ball line-up:
Guyton
Deal
McCabe
Mallegni
Stuelke

 

[ltsimmer]

They were never doing a slow down offense, again the offense has not changed. Everything is predicated on the fact that you believe they ran a different offense. If you listen to what Jan had to say, they haven’t really changed anything. They tweaked a number of things and they did Quit throwing the lob pass because nobody was capable of executing it.

This whole conversation is based on this one fact…

Every time a game doesn’t go the way our fans think it ought to go. It’s because of something dumb, the coach did when in reality it’s because the players aren’t doing what they’re supposed to be doing.

Period!

CM, he never said that Jensen made a complete change in offense. He was stating that Hannah/AOG at the 4 and 5 was slower tempo and that Hannah/AH at the 4 and 5 would be faster tempo (for next year).