Nice analysis contrasting Lester with Iowa's offense under Brian
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Agree....that is why I will hold off judging until I see who trots out to take the snaps in the spring practice with the 1s. We know it won't be Cade as he will be rehabbing. If they run Deacon out there with the 1s then it is KF's offense or we have a bad OC hire.
You mean kinda like last year when Cade went down? Were we a .500 team last year?
I always get concerned about new offenses, play calling, etc.
Hill will be an interesting case study.
Losing 30 - 40 lbs would be a good start
Has the arm strength, needs to work on getting touch on his down field passes. Under better tuteledge who knows what he might do. If he can't reduce fumbles and interceptions, he should shuffle off to buffalo.
Lesters RPO is more about handing off to RB's or going down field than the QB running.
Bottom line, you can't teach that arm strength.
From the article -
"I'm no expert when it comes to building an offense or scheming a passing game, but thankfully, I know people who can explain it to me like I'm 5 years old. One current college assistant who has faced both Lester's Western Michigan offenses and Ferentz's Iowa offenses told me the biggest difference was that, "Iowa schemes plays so their QB doesn't screw things up. Flood concepts with a basic progression of reads. Lester's teams did a better job of scheming a receiver open." Lester's offenses also implemented a lot of run-pass option and ran almost exclusively out of the shotgun. That would be a significant shift from Iowa's current offense where it ran plays out of the shotgun only 42.7% of the time under Ferentz."
Wouldn't that be a welcome change.
"I'm no expert when it comes to building an offense or scheming a passing game, but thankfully, I know people who can explain it to me like I'm 5 years old. One current college assistant who has faced both Lester's Western Michigan offenses and Ferentz's Iowa offenses told me the biggest difference was that, "Iowa schemes plays so their QB doesn't screw things up. Flood concepts with a basic progression of reads. Lester's teams did a better job of scheming a receiver open." Lester's offenses also implemented a lot of run-pass option and ran almost exclusively out of the shotgun. That would be a significant shift from Iowa's current offense where it ran plays out of the shotgun only 42.7% of the time under Ferentz."
Wouldn't that be a welcome change.
As you said, you’re playing devil’s advocate, but those numbers suggest he can have success with or without a mobile QB, do they not? Or maybe that’s exactly what you’re saying.
Guess I'm confused. Why would Kirk hire him and not let him do what he hired him for.SIAP. Lots of good comparative analytics in this article that should make Hawk fans hopeful if Kirk allows Lester to do his thing.
Why Iowa hiring Tim Lester can provide much-needed offensive boost for Hawkeyes to emerge as CFP contender
Lester may not be the splashiest hire, but Kirk Ferentz made the right call tabbing him to turn around the offensewww.cbssports.com
Edit: then in your post #4 you said you think Lester may not have the personnel to pull it off. I believe Brian didn't have the personnel to pull it off either.
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IMO, and maybe I'm not correct, but having positive yards from a QB in rushing is important to the system.
Honestly. Likely the same. When taking a knee is you’re best option doesn’t matter who you play. How many points did Iowa score vs South Dakota state last year on offense. 3 and those may have been set up by the offense
Iowa beats MAC teams not because of scheme but jimmies and joes. Not sure the level of Lester’s play calling makes a bit of difference when you compare yards.
There’s a good chance if Iowa runs the wing t , they may have been better on offense.
Edit to add: wmu likely didn’t have the defense Iowa had that would have given them more advantageous field position.
We will know whose offense it is after the first series. If the QB is under center more than once in the first three plays, it is not Lester's offense. But even if the running game isn't Lester's, it will be good to see a passing game at least as well-designed as a good high school team. I swear that some of BF's route combos is what you would run if you WEREN'T trying to get open.
I agree with the second part - I'll give Lester two series to reveal himself.
I feel sorry for Iowa QB's in the last few years - not only did they have no time to throw, they no one to throw it to.
I swear, Iowa receivers aren't as bad as they seem to be - their routes simply suck.
He also had people in his ear telling him to take the OU job as it had a higher ceiling.
I think the defense will look very good against a Washington team returning 0 offensive starters, and a UCLA squad that wasn’t exactly great on offense last season.
But THIS year, if we had played a PAC 12 schedule, I highly doubt we’re talked about as one of the nation’s very best defenses.
And, possibly not the nation's very worst offense.
Hawks played two of the top 3 defenses, and #13, #21 and #22, #31, #34, and #41. The PAC 12 had 3 teams in the top 30 (AZ was 30th) and 4 teams in the bottom 30.
Other question, Lester is still youngish. He still has one more chance to be a HC somewhere if he's successful here. Why take the job to be KFs yes man? He'll want to run what he knows.
We bring the sideline into the play as an extra defender way, way, waaaaaaaayyyy too often. The quick outs weren’t even “outs”. It was a lazy, rounded off drag but instead of going across the QB’s face, it was a race to the sideline. Infuriating.I agree with the second part - I'll give Lester two series to reveal himself.
I feel sorry for Iowa QB's in the last few years - not only did they have no time to throw, they no one to throw it to.
I swear, Iowa receivers aren't as bad as they seem to be - their routes simply suck.
Normally I'd agree. In this case the worst case scenario is actually to keep doing what they've been doing the last several years. The definition of insanity.
I'm not sure why anyone would be confused. Kirk hired a new OC because he had to, not because he wanted to. If Kirk had his way we'd still be looking at Brian coming back to do exactly what they've been doing. To my knowledge he's never even implied that new or different ideas were necessary to revive the offense or even that this offense needed reviving. It's mind boggling.
I really don't want to discuss Brian anymore. Take all of Kirk's worst tendencies on offense and put him in a room with his son to put together a functional offense. We've seen the results of that, and abysmal failure doesn't go far enough to describe the results.
No way Lester trots Deacon out there. He knows what a qb looks like.
He might to appease Kirk for some practices but there is no way he will see the field come game time.
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You mean the hiring process that produced Ferentz? Somebody must have gotten something right
I don’t know if that’s a good gauge. There were many times we saw Iowa come out in shotgun or empty backfield cause we really wanted to pass (poorly)
I honestly don’t know what Brian was trying to accomplish as an OC. We never scratched where it itched. It felt more like an attempt to make sure we passed and ran exactly the same amount of plays for “balance”. I guess you could say Brian and Kirk’s philosophy is to chew up as much clock as possible with our 3 yard outs and slow motion to huddle / LOS
I think the biggest tell will be on 3rd down and 7+ yards. If we see a ****ing draw or screen pass then Kirk is truly in control.
Hayden asked the panel to interview KF before making a decision. They did that as a courtesy to Hayden for his years at Iowa. OU told Stoops need an answer now or the offer was gone.
A former NFL QB and game analyst said learning to feel pocket pressure and getting rid of the ball was the hardest thing to master. DH doesn't have it. May never.
And can be somewhat successful, if you’re not turning it over, and aren’t going 3 and out every other drive.
It’s a damn miracle they have been winning so many games, considering they have indeed been turning it over and going three and out about 100% of the time. I don’t care who they were playing.
Please let it finally change…the offense part. Not the winning part.
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Even some movement along the risk axis is a start
PS last year was a real example where you are so risk averse (qb choice, scheme, breadth of plays, etc) that it absolutely backfires. It’s like hitting Pitching Wedge on every shot for 18 holes. Bogey golf is best case. ..No deep balls, defenses loaded the box, lead foot was a sitting duck triggering strip sacks, tons of pressured throws, etc.
It is hard to compare a coaches winning percentage at OU vs Iowa. OU a blue blood which is a bigger recruiting draw. I think Stoops would have been very successful at Iowa as he had the drive etc.
Stoops may have lost one NChamp by being too aggressive, I think it was a game against Florida when he went for a couple of 4th downs in the red zone and they failed.
But Stoops was more aggressive than Kirk and he allowed his offensive coaches to go total high gear to score amazing amounts of pts. Stoops was a defensive guy and his initial defenses were great but somehow his last few years or maybe last 10 years at OU his defenses went the way of most other Big 12 teams, into the crapper.
Well, he's got the getting rid of the ball part down pretty well. Unfortunately because it's a strip sack.
I hope we eliminate the mind boggling / embarrassing in game statistics like
7 straight 3 & outs
6 drives totaling 3 yards
300 mins since last TD etc etc
7 straight 3 & outs
6 drives totaling 3 yards
300 mins since last TD etc etc
Believe me or anyone who knows QB throwing mechanics that Lester and a good QB coach will totally change DHill's windup which is more like a major league fastballer. You cant bring the ball down to your knees on the windup etc etc and expect good accuracy let alone not getting the ball stripped from you many times.
I hope Cade is at 100% to start the season, if not I hope we are going with Marco or even Resar on some other qb rather than Hill, unless Hill can totally be remade in his mechanics and maybe mobilitiy
I do not mind draw plays or screens on 3rd and long once in awhile depending, depending on if you have 4 wideouts taking multiple defenders out of the box. The Detroit Lions the last two years are noted for running for a lot of third and long situations running the ball to get first downs.
If the OC sends a man in motion to indicate man to man pass coverage and you have your 4 receivers sprint down 10 yards and block then you can run the ball.
Adding on to your post he should help with development, Nate Stanley when with the Vikings stated that Iowa's coaches do not coach or drill QB Footwork/Fundamentals. So Iowa basically hasn't had an actual QB coach since Greg Davis.
