275 yards and 4 TD's in less than a half of football...
Yeah it's Kansas, but their defense is on par with Rutgers.
Yeah it's Kansas, but their defense is on par with Rutgers.
Nick Shiminek
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Didn't like the offensive scheme..Played in a spread style offense in high school. Felt more comfortable with TT's style. Started out as a walk on at TT. Not sure if he has been out on schollie yet. His only other offer out of high school was Lamar University.
Shimonek > Beathard
Let the discussion begin......right? No?
Then why do we care?
Let the discussion begin......right? No?
Then why do we care?
After watching him I'd have to say you are correct. But put Beathard in a system like TT and oh man who knows.
So Shimonek is better because he's at a pass happy program? But wait, Beathard is better because if he were in the same program....
That's kinda conflicting ain't it.......
I don't lose any sleep over Shiminek (spelling, who cares) but willies would be nice to have now with vandeberg out
I watched the whole TT game. Willies greatest asset was his blocking (probably thank Iowa for that one). There was 42 completions last night...only one to Willies(and another completion called back by penalty...and he played most snaps). He was not getting separation with his awesome speed.
Shimonek: Punk haircut and tats all over his left arm. But the guy was throwing strikes all night long. He definitely has some skills, and he is 220 lbs. Iowa has plenty of talent at QB. Shimonek was only going to start 1 year at Iowa. I wish him well.
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Good for him....but who cares....you would think TT would be a good football team/program, but fact is they are not
CJB and Stanley in the wings. Not concerned with Nic. Hell he can't even spell his name correctly. Good to see him doing well - the staff has recruited quite a few capable QB's in the last 4-5 years.
I was thinking about how many players that left the program actually went onto success and I really couldn't think of many:
1) Benny Sapp- went on to have great career, but put staff in position where they had to give him the boot
2) Brandon Wegher- Did well for himself after he left, but that whole situation was just messy
3) Cody Sokol- nice senior year at L. Tech, but with JR and CJB probably best for all parties involved
Maybe a few more, but can't really think of many
All this talk about willies and Nic and Nic is backup QB for a TT team that has 3 wins against cupcakes-Stephen F Austin, Kansas, and La Tech. Willies is has 8 receptions in a pass heavy offense and is 8th on the team.....move the F on everybody
1) Benny Sapp- went on to have great career, but put staff in position where they had to give him the boot
2) Brandon Wegher- Did well for himself after he left, but that whole situation was just messy
3) Cody Sokol- nice senior year at L. Tech, but with JR and CJB probably best for all parties involved
Maybe a few more, but can't really think of many
All this talk about willies and Nic and Nic is backup QB for a TT team that has 3 wins against cupcakes-Stephen F Austin, Kansas, and La Tech. Willies is has 8 receptions in a pass heavy offense and is 8th on the team.....move the F on everybody
Nic looked very good in command of TTs offense. Props have to go to Greg Davis for finding the him. Remember no other P5 schools wanted him and GD saw something in him and he was right. The kid can sling it. That doesn't mean he was a good fit at Iowa, tho. Remember it took nearly a year for Wiegers to master taking a snap from under center.
I'd add Dezman Moses to your list.
Davis has done well at identifying QB talent. I question how much a QB at Iowa actually grows between their FR and SR years. It doesn't seem like the QB's have taken big steps in between years at Iowa and if anything take steps back at times. CJ took some big steps between SO and JR years but this year reminds me somewhat of Stanzi's SR year so far. So maybe its a KF problem where he is getting too involved with the starters at times.
Maybe the SR QBs are given too much leeway to change the play at the LOS? CJ mentioned how much more he is doing at he LOS this year compared to last year because of his understanding of the offense. Maybe that's not necessarily a good thing and he should just run the play that is called more?
Stanzi was really good his Senior year. People are equating the team not performing up to expectations with him not doing as well. It was quite the opposite. Stanzi was great. What hurt that teams was the defense not being nearly as good and the break down of the RBs and Oline throughout the season.
And Vandeberg's senior year was not about regression it was about being on a really crappy team where the WR coach and new OC weren't on the same page so the offense was completely f'd from the start. So really there is no evidence that Ferentz makes QBs worse their senior year.
Out of the 112 completions Willies has 8 of those......not exactly lighting the world on fire, but still contributing. Don't get me wrong I know he had/has ability and I wish him the best.....but it is beyond me that people "go to bat" for him when he quit midseason.....In all my years as a Hawkeye fan I have never, especially a contributing player, seen a player just pack up and quit in the middle of a season. It reminds me of a 10 year old who takes his ball and walks off the court pouting because he doesn't get his way, just cowardly and childish.
Let me know when he starts his career 13-0 and another step in come from behind W performance where he did not start. 14-0.
k thanks
k thanks
Let's not forget that Willies does not play the same WR position as Vandeberg so he wouldn't help add depth with the injury. Willies and Smith would be fighting for playing time at the X receiver position. And if the previous poster was correct that Willies was struggling to get separation against Kansas's defense, I don't think he would be an upgrade over Smith.
Great! So people can only come up with one QB that has improved into his senior year under Kirk Ferentz, but those people don't see that as a problem.
Shimonek left because he wasn't going to get any playing time at Iowa, and was not going to be patient enough to sit on the bench for a few years. Unless there's people here that think that he's a better quarterback than CJ, why do we care? Then if you were going to make such an assessment, how could you do that based on one game against a crappy defense? So I guess we wait and see if Weigers transfers next season, and wait for him to have a great game against a crappy team to bring back the same discussion again. Then people will be blaming Kirk for not noticing his talent why he was on a roster.
Not sure how people put this on KF, being he coaches the o-line most OT and we know the history of that position. I know, I know he is head coach so everything gets blamed on him.
2001-Kyle McCann certainly improved
2002- Not too shabby being he won QB of the year
2003- Chandler- Obviously not too bad
2004-2006- Drew Tate- Actually improved statistically from soph to Jr year and slight dip senior year nothing major. Could be many factors
2007- Jake Christianson....not much to say here
2008-2010- Significant improvement from Sophomore to senior year improved QBR by 20 points
2011-2012- Huge drop off from Junior to Senior year, new OC, some old staff with different views, bad team, this was for obvious reasons
2013-2014 (2015)- Steady improvement from year 1 to year 2 at iowa and then year 3 at michigan (have to give credit to Davis for 2015, at least some being he was at Michigan for only a few months
Go look up all their stats it will show that the assumption that QB's do not improve is not accurate in almost all cases
I am only seeing 2 cases in which QB did not improve- 2012 with new OC and Staff and Tates Senior year which was only a slight dip in QBR but vastly improved from Soph to Juniior year
To an earlier point, James Cleveland is another name to add to the list, at least collegiately. Transferred from Iowa and went on to be one of the top targets for some very good Houston teams.
Great Idea!! I bet the coaches, who know more about the offense than you, me, and 20 other posters combined, never thought of that. I am just guessing here, but I would assume they trust CJB and have studied his past audibles, and decided he knows what he is doing.
Some of you need therapy. CJ is a NFL qb nick isn't. And it's Kansas and B12. If CJ went to a b12 team he would put up madden football like numbers. When I played ncaa football was out I put up like 500 yards and like 10 tds
Don't forget people get scouted too, that makes a difference.
