Nightmare Scenario

[eyesofhawk]

We. Have. Eyes.

Good. Then they witnessed the winningest six year stretch for KF at Iowa from '18-'23.

Nothing was put ahead of the team

 

[IChawkeye45]

Good. Then they witnessed the winningest six year stretch for KF at Iowa from '18-'23.

Nothing was put ahead of the team

May have missed the point on that one. The winningest stretch was because of the defense and special teams starting in 2021. They carried Brian Ferentz. Literally put him on their shoulders. They deserved so much more from Kirk and Brian. It was so sad to watch.

 

[eyesofhawk]

May have missed the point on that one. The winningest stretch was because of the defense and special teams starting in 2021. They carried Brian Ferentz. Literally put him on their shoulders. They deserved so much more from Kirk and Brian. It was so sad to watch.

I heard you the first time.

And I've heard that laughable narrative many times.

Whether who carried who, how can anyone say KF put a thing ahead of his team during his winningest stretch?

 

[IChawkeye45]

I heard you the first time.

And I've heard that laughable narrative many times.

Whether who carried who, how can anyone say KF put a thing ahead of his team during his winningest stretch?

I can. 🙋‍♂️
With an offense, Iowa probably wins multiple big ten titles over that six year stretch. How can you argue he didn’t put Brian ahead of the team?

 

[General Tso]

There is no proof that KF put his family above the program.

To leap to that judgement lacks respect

 

[Rustys Dad]

Should we be concerned about how bad Butler is right now? If Thad Matta gets fired and his staff is let go, would Fran hang around just to bring Connor back on his staff? Normally, a coach wouldn’t make that move but all Iowa fans know, having lived through the Brian Ferentz fiasco, that rationality can go out the window with family being involved.

Fran won’t be here … so there’s that …

 

[kzoohawk80]

There is no proof that KF put his family above the program.

To leap to that judgement lacks respect

Lately I've seen some really bad trolling. It's like people aren't even trying. But this post is really good trolling. How many people quoted this? Congrats on the successful troll.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

First, everyone kneeling at Beth Goetz's feet need to get real. Getting rid of BF was hardly her call, and the timing (announcement, retaining BF through the season, etc) showed one thing: DEI hire.

FranMac should have been her first firing. Instead, we sit and twiddlebour thumbs as we get to read all the insight from all the Beacon "insiders"...

 

[Iron Doc]

Good. Then they witnessed the winningest six year stretch for KF at Iowa from '18-'23.

Nothing was put ahead of the team

Outstanding! You are as talented a Troll as you are a gambler.

 

[HawkLogic]

I mean Fran obviously set Connor up and probably hoped things would work out with Butler and Thad and they haven’t. So you either have to find him a new place or worst case, for a lot of reasons, bring him back as an assistant.

Brian had to report to Barta to get around Nepotism rules. Beth wouldn't agree to hiring CMAC when Papa is on the chopping block.
I doubt Matta is on hot seat because he's a home town hero for them.

One thing is clear is Fran is extreme family man and grooves on coaching his boys and making sure they get PT. I think Fran likely ends up at a midmajor and Jack transfers in. Jack supposedly plans to Redshirty hia Freshman year, so Butler is just a placeholder and Fran can coach at Iowa for another year.

 

[grayhair81]

It’s almost like there’s something in football called defense. And from my understanding it’s like where you stop the other team from scoring. Well, Iowa had its worst defense in a long time this past season even though it had a much improved offense. Almost like you shouldn’t be wasting generational defenses in 2022 and 2023 with an offensive genius like Brian Ferentz?!? 🤔😊

According to Eyes, the defensive regression was the result of the defense not getting enough emphasis because the offense was receiving too much. Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact the defense really wasn't that good. The three defensive players that were the slowest in their groups at the combine would have been quicker if they just got more emphasis in practice during their 5th or 6th years.

 

[jberesford]

Troll is a cood call.
He ain't dumb because he is a quality gambler.

Isn't he the guy that literally lost money on a bet but said that even though he did in fact lose that money, in reality he somehow still won the bet?

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Really poor characterization of what happened.

And not even factually correct. BF was QB coach before '23.

Judging BF, as an OC, based on '22 and '23 makes absolutely no sense. First of all, you don't judge someone at their worst. But the main problems in those two seasons had very little to do with BF. The problem in '22 was having the worst O-line I've ever seen at Iowa. The problem in '23 was most of the season was played with the worst QB I've ever seen play significant snaps at Iowa. And the line was still pretty poor.

Iowa averaged 9 wins those seasons. And I'm guessing KF was well aware that the main problems on offense had very little to do with BF. But you guys have your nepotism narrative to maintain.

If KF ever put anything ahead of his team, he sure had a weird way of showing it, because '18-'23 was his winningest six year stretch at Iowa

That makes it even worse as qb play some how got got worse not better. The fact that Iowa was a national joke with the drive for 325 in justification of bringing him back says it all. No other OC would Kirk have gone along for that stipulation let alone keep. Only reason he was back for 23’ was a spineless AD that wouldn’t tell KF to fire him and a dad putting his son ahead of programs best interest. Every analyst, announcer, former coach, media National/local said he needed to go. they and we all have eyes and saw how bad it was.

Do yourself a favor and just stop posting while you are behind. You continue to embarrass yourself by doubling down on stupid and dying on the Brian Ferentz was a good OC hill.

 

[Iron Doc]

Isn't he the guy that literally lost money on a bet but said that even though he did in fact lose that money, in reality he somehow still won the bet?

Sure is. His arrogance knows no bounds.

 

[Iron Doc]

That makes it even worse as qb play some how got got worse not better. The fact that Iowa was a national joke with the drive for 325 in justification of bringing him back says it all. No other OC would Kirk have gone along for that stipulation let alone keep. Only reason he was back for 23’ was a spineless AD that wouldn’t tell KF to fire him and a dad putting his son ahead of programs best interest. Every analyst, announcer, former coach, media National/local said he needed to go. they and we all have eyes and saw how bad it was.

Do yourself a favor and just stop posting while you are behind. You continue to embarrass yourself by doubling down on stupid and dying on the Brian Ferentz was a good OC hill.

This!
He will never go away, like roaches.

 

[Bierhalter]

First, everyone kneeling at Beth Goetz's feet need to get real. Getting rid of BF was hardly her call, and the timing (announcement, retaining BF through the season, etc) showed one thing: DEI hire.

FranMac should have been her first firing. Instead, we sit and twiddlebour thumbs as we get to read all the insight from all the Beacon "insiders"...

For all we know, Goetz wanted to fire BF outright but his dad freaked out and threatened to walk too. She isn't to blame for how the whole debacle unfolded, the Ferentzes are.

 

[RocknRollface]

First, everyone kneeling at Beth Goetz's feet need to get real. Getting rid of BF was hardly her call, and the timing (announcement, retaining BF through the season, etc) showed one thing: DEI hire.

FranMac should have been her first firing. Instead, we sit and twiddlebour thumbs as we get to read all the insight from all the Beacon "insiders"...

Her actions will determine the reality of the situation.

A legitimate AD doing what's best for the basketball program does not retain Fran.

A figure head hired for appearances by people who don't care about basketball may retain Fran.

 

[the24fan]

I heard you the first time.

And I've heard that laughable narrative many times.

Whether who carried who, how can anyone say KF put a thing ahead of his team during his winningest stretch?

It certainly wasn’t due to BF and that historically bad offense. KF is lucky Phil was bailing him out.,
So to leave an unqualified coach to remain in that position despite terrible results screams that he did indeed place Brian there in hopes he would succeed . All part of the master plan to plant Brian as HC after the old man calls it quits.,
If you don’t see that you’re a fool. That was the plan!

 

[eyesofhawk]

an uptick in QB play? lmfao. what was that? the giant leap that CM made? or was it the back up that came in under Lester? Or the walk on that came in under Lester? Or the 131st pass offense that resulted from all three?
Lester made chicken salad out of chicken shit in 2024. Because he is a competent coach. And it will only get better. BF was a failure that should have been fired in 2022. A national joke. He wasn't because his boss was his dad. That is why his superiors had to step in.

stop it.

I don't care what numbers you are looking at, the QB play in '24 was better than it was in '23 with Hill. PERIOD.

Also, you don't think BF or any other OC would have also brought QB's in?

 

[eyesofhawk]

That makes it even worse as qb play some how got got worse not better. The fact that Iowa was a national joke with the drive for 325 in justification of bringing him back says it all. No other OC would Kirk have gone along for that stipulation let alone keep. Only reason he was back for 23’ was a spineless AD that wouldn’t tell KF to fire him and a dad putting his son ahead of programs best interest. Every analyst, announcer, former coach, media National/local said he needed to go. they and we all have eyes and saw how bad it was.

Do yourself a favor and just stop posting while you are behind. You continue to embarrass yourself by doubling down on stupid and dying on the Brian Ferentz was a good OC hill.

Never have said BF was a good OC

 

[eyesofhawk]

It certainly wasn’t due to BF and that historically bad offense. KF is lucky Phil was bailing him out.,
So to leave an unqualified coach to remain in that position despite terrible results screams that he did indeed place Brian there in hopes he would succeed . All part of the master plan to plant Brian as HC after the old man calls it quits.,
If you don’t see that you’re a fool. That was the plan!

All previously answered in the thread except for the mind-reading part

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

Should we be concerned about how bad Butler is right now? If Thad Matta gets fired and his staff is let go, would Fran hang around just to bring Connor back on his staff? Normally, a coach wouldn’t make that move but all Iowa fans know, having lived through the Brian Ferentz fiasco, that rationality can go out the window with family being involved.

LOL. Yeah, I'm sure BG gives a flying f*ck about what's going on at Butler and it will greatly impact her decision on Fran after the season. LOL. He gone.