There have been "accusations" on here that PSU uses the NLWC to get recruits by promising them that the NLWC will pay them x amount post collegiality. Mark Hall, who was the #1 recruit in the nation, left PSU/NLWC for the Penn RTC as soon as his collegiate eligibility was done. Mark Hall leaving would seem to contradict the "accusations" of post collegiate payment by the NLWC. Thoughts?
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Who cares. F&@k Penn State.
Well allegedly other ways they leverage it are by juicing up camp payments and paying the parents. So that could be done while they are there, but I doubt stuff like that really happens.
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PSU got Hall for free. His parents paid for his school. Made good money doing camps on the side.
This doesn’t contradict the allegation/theory/rumor/truth in any way, shape or form. Total reach in logic.
Not sure I agree. The logic seems pretty solid.
the allegation is that PSU is promising recruits big pay days from the NLWC after their college career is over. So let’s follow the logic in this case.
1. Mark Hall is one of the 5 biggest recruits of the last decade.
2. PSU recruits Mark Hall.
3. Mark Hall ends his career at PSU.
4. Mark Hall does not spend any time at NLWC and immediately jumps ship to a different club.
So there are really only a couple of realistic possibilities.
1. Mark Hall was paid in other ways. If this is true, then that allegation is BS.
2. Mark Hall was not made any promises from the NLWC for payment. If the allegation was true this would be unthinkable given the status of Hall as a recruit. If any recruit is worth paying it’s someone like him.
3. Mark Hall decided he didn’t want the money.
All possibilities really point to the absurdities of this specific allegation. Now, people can move the goalposts and complain about other things (camps, paying parents, etc). But at least to this specific claim the logic is sound.
I don’t pretend to know anything but once you consider the fairly straightforward ideas that:
Hall got a better offer (standard that post grad studs have great options), found a better situation, wanted to get out of a room with so much completion at his weight, or simply was looking for a change of scenery, the attempt at logic falls apart pretty hard. It’s a total #TTH attempt at making a point.
It’s not evidence of jack squat one way or another. Silliness.
The only one of those that you gave that makes any sense is he got a better offer.
to say he he was promised enough money to pay off all his debt from PSU, but turned it down for a change of scenery is hilarity.
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More PSU 'fans' over here to stir the pot so they can run back to their board talking about 'HR delusions'. Dont take the bait folks.
I hate off season.
I hate off season.
One of the best recruits in recent memory. One national title and couldn’t even beat a cokehead in the finals.
Who says he has college debt? How much does he have? Who says his debt wasn’t STILL paid off? How do we know he doesn’t have a sweet deal with Penn? Too much unknown to be supporting evidence of anything. One way or another.
Well! This posting seems to be Tee’d-up for a drive right down the middle. Say is Marvin Miller still available on retainer?
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Supreme Court Seems Ready to Back Payments to Student-Athletes (Published 2021)
But the justices voiced concern that challenges to N.C.A.A. limits on pay beyond the modest education-related sums at issue in the case could threaten the distinction between amateur and pro sports.
You have a post from May 2019 accusing Tom Ryan and tOSU of promising RTC payments to get Kerkvliet away from Okie St. You also cited Aaron Brooks’s daddy as the source. Well guess where Kerk ended up………….you specifically include that Kerk going to tOSU wasn’t about Snyder too.
This post is the correct take.
I find it hard to believe anything too nefarious is going on at PSU - something would have come to light eventually (For instance, I imagine the slush fund would be in the Lee family 'binder' if it existed), but to say to that it doesn't because Hall left is dumb. He absolutely could have gotten a lump sum, then moved on.
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Sorry, i did not read all the posts after the Op. So, to answer the OP, Hall going to another RTC does not contradict, or poke holes in any theory or accusation. It only means that Hall is choosing to be paid by another RTC instead, that is all. If Hall was, or another recruit is promised RTC payments after they use their eligibility, there is nothing stopping that wrestler after they graduate from leaving PSU and going to another RTC if the price is right. They only chose to accept payments from a different source.
So you think everyone gets the same deal/price? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I bet you paid sticker price for your Prius wagon
John Brooks " what a nice guy" was shopping his son. Price 300k Kerk daddy was no fool. he wanted a deal too.
Some of you egotistical morons never wondered why daddy Brooks was here in the cesspool trying so hard to be liked??? "Hur DUR.. Um... he was here to learn my wrestling opinions HUR DUR!!"
Projection - Psychology.
- the tendency to ascribe to another person feelings, thoughts, or attitudes present in oneself, or to regard external reality as embodying such feelings, thoughts, etc., in some way.
- Psychoanalysis. such an ascription relieving the ego of a sense of guilt or other intolerable feeling
As the great poet, Steven Stills, once said, "Paranoia strikes deep."
To be clear, I really haven’t called Carl for any sort of cheating. I simply have yet to see ANY proof to do so. However, I DID get fiercely attacked by every PSU fan out of the woodwork involving Mr. Brooks. Why was that?
Well, Mr. Brooks came out saying PSU cleanly recruited his son and they are crystal clean. Every PSU fan immediately used that like that made it SO. But, I pointed out that they must really not understand how concrete witnesses work. If there actually WAS cheating, would the dad of a recently signed recruit come out and say it? Of course not.
The best witness would be someone fully impartial or, even better, biased against them. Like Ironbird for instance. Let Ironbird bring in a team to sit in on the entire process. If he admits nothing is wrong than that would be about as airtight as possible!
How bout Suriano? A top 3 recruit with an axe to grind against PSU and Cael. The crickets are deafening.
Like I said, I really don’t think they are cheating. They just found some gray areas to exploit, especially the RTC, and are taking major advantage of a huge disparity in funds.
Now, that Covid came and decimated funding for nearly everyone else, the gap has gotten even wider. A true case of the rich getting richer(a saying I normally hate). It is going to be VERY hard for even Iowa to stay with them after this season. The names in that RTC is fricking ridiculous and they are simply getting every single recruit they want and are now tapping transfers. Good luck!
I can get with this, but I was responding to a very specific allegation of wrongdoing that is common in this board.
I agree that there is too much unknown to say one way or another. Of course, that should also be said the other way. Without a single shred of evidence to supporting the cheating allegations, I don’t know how they’re not given the benefit of the doubt.
Have you ever competed against a Cokehead? People jacked up on Coke are extremely hard to beat. Ask anyone who played the Pitt Pirates in the 70’s, or Oak Raiders in the 80’s, or NY Giants in the 90’s.
Even though the slush fund is a stochastic variable, pretty sure the answer to this is either 25 or 83%. Need my glasses to be sure.
There is no stipulation for Hall or any PSU wrestler to be a member of the NLWC. The way they have it setup is if you are on the team for whatever amount of eligibility they get, in good standings with the team and graduate from PSU, the NLWC will payoff all college debt. There is no requirement to compete for the NLWC.
where did you find that info, T8kudwn?
i find it hard to believe that PSU wouldn't be using only the interest from the original $5m endowment. spending the principal would have it erased in short order. (and under the theory that they pay off college debt, even faster).
the fact of the matter is - fund raising is a critical part of wrestling programs. literally every school does it - just some better than others.
let me ask this question that i'm sure y'all will roast me for - but...
PSU got a $5mil lump some.
Iowa just raised like $20-something mil that they'll use for new facilities.
why is one ok and the other not?
(not here to start a fight - just genuinely interested)
i find it hard to believe that PSU wouldn't be using only the interest from the original $5m endowment. spending the principal would have it erased in short order. (and under the theory that they pay off college debt, even faster).
the fact of the matter is - fund raising is a critical part of wrestling programs. literally every school does it - just some better than others.
let me ask this question that i'm sure y'all will roast me for - but...
PSU got a $5mil lump some.
Iowa just raised like $20-something mil that they'll use for new facilities.
why is one ok and the other not?
(not here to start a fight - just genuinely interested)
Maybe I’m confused but who is contending there’s something wrong with PSU getting a large gift for the NLWC?
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