NLWC Slush Fund
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Come on. You are much smarter than this and must be intentionally baiting......As I have said, many times, I do NOT believe PSU has been cheating. However, using RTC funding is a gray area(and cheating to many here) if promised to recruits or any of the wrestlers on the team in any way. In some ways, it obviously would be clear cut cheating.
As far as fund raising goes, that should be a non-starter and I can't believe you even brought that up. Fund raise until your heart is content for ANY part of the program. The ONLY issue would be if those funds went to the student athlete above and beyond normal scholarship allowances.......
I don't think anyone has issue with the fact that they received the money, but rather the idea that they may be doing "shady" things with the money such as promising athletes a huge payoff after graduation. If the NLWC came out and said, we used this $5m towards upgrading our facility, I don't think people would have issue with that. Just like in HWC's case, the $20m is specifically for a new facility and not "to give to the college athletes"
For the record, I don't believe anything shady is going on in Penn State and I don't believe they are breaking any rules with it, just how I feel the perception is different.
To me, raising questions about NLWC's "slushfund" in itself is not such a terrible thing, if presented in the right way.
PSU's rise to the top coincides with a massive donation to the NLWC that dwarfs all other RTC's. This is going to lead to speculation. Right or wrong, people are going to question how the money is being used.
An open-minded discussion on this could be quite interesting. Unfortunately, the internet is not a medium that typically promotes healthy dialogue....
PSU's rise to the top coincides with a massive donation to the NLWC that dwarfs all other RTC's. This is going to lead to speculation. Right or wrong, people are going to question how the money is being used.
An open-minded discussion on this could be quite interesting. Unfortunately, the internet is not a medium that typically promotes healthy dialogue....
to me it is the absolute denying by their fans of even a possibility that something is shady.
It's what they do with the money--how it is spent.... in questionable ways aka the grey zone.
Wow are you that dopey or just drinking P$U bath water?
The response I got from a compliance office is if $ is promised (not a written contract) and then given AFTER NCAA eligibility, it is probably not a violation.
NLWC - $589,781 investment income, $590,940 in salaries 2018. $72k was for the director. That doesn’t include the $178k that the Penn State Wrestling club spent for its members to travel to meets in 2018.
HWC spent $22k on travel and had $16k in investment income and ended the year with less net assets than NLWC had in investment income. The gap is widening financially and the opportunity for a shell game of money becomes far easier. Do you think the parents of wrestlers in the Penn State Wrestling Club get the same ‘travel money’ as Joe the barber who is a member? Lots of ways to get to the end result.
HWC spent $22k on travel and had $16k in investment income and ended the year with less net assets than NLWC had in investment income. The gap is widening financially and the opportunity for a shell game of money becomes far easier. Do you think the parents of wrestlers in the Penn State Wrestling Club get the same ‘travel money’ as Joe the barber who is a member? Lots of ways to get to the end result.
Only people with small.....bank accounts say that.
I would say no. Having good funding does not equate to having a "slush fund" for under the table or at least questionable payments or promises.
For the record, I have NO IDEA whether PSU is doing that. I'm no insider. Just speaking hypothetically.
There is no way promising and giving money or gifts outside of the 9.9 is not a violation before, during or after eligibility.
Actually, Penn State was already 4 championships in when the $5 mill came in 2014. Penn State's rise to the top coincided with Cael's arrival, not the $. Success attracts $.
I think its safe to say Iowa wouldn't have raised all that $ for new facilities if they were having the same lack of success as say, for example, Minnesota these last several years.
The entertainment on this board is great. The creativity A+! I know I appreciate you guys!! Enjoy the summer!
This is correct. Bael's first championship came back in 2011. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that was the year he recruited Andrew Long, a wrestler whose behavior was so bad that he got kicked off his previous team despite being an NCAA runner up. Long's third-place finish proved to be decisive, as his 16.5 points was more than PSU's margin of 14 points. Long would end up going to prison shortly afterwards for raping a 55-year old woman, but hey, a win's a win!
Speaking of creativity, don’t you have to accuse someone else of biting or clawing?
Thanks for the correction on the timeline of the donation. I was off on that(obviously).
100% agree on success bringing in $. I also agree that Cael&co are the most important piece in PSU's rise to the top.
I understand why high level recruits would take less money to wrestle for PSU. If any fanbase should be able to relate, it's Iowa with the Gable years.
Cael's track record(both as a wrestler and coach) is impossible to ignore and would be a huge selling point to recruits.
PSU's room is loaded with talent. Talent that has performed when the bright lights are on.
Those are just a few examples of the many logical reasons to explain PSU's success, both in results and recruiting.
I understand this, and it probably is as simple as that. I truly believe that they are doing things on the up and up.
But if I'm being 100% honest, there have been a couple of times that doubt has crept in and caused me to raise an eyebrow and question it.
The 1st is simply the gaping chasm of funds between the NLWC and every other RTC. It's impossible to ignore. Does that mean shady things are going on? Of course not. That's ridiculous. It does give the NLWC(and PSU) a huge leg up in the arms race. Admittedly, this one is probably just jealousy, and jealousy leads to doubt. Hey, I said I was being honest....
The other I think @WildTurk will appreciate.
It was the 125lb situation over the last few years at PSU. They land a top pfp in Suriano. He transfers out after 1 year. They get both Teasdale and Teske(in addition to a van full of other pfp recruits that year). Both transfer out. No worries, PSU just lands Howard. All were high level recruits at a very difficult weight to fill.
Have you honestly ever seen anything like that before? What school other than PSU could hope to pull that off?
Again, I'm not claiming cheating, just questioning how in hell they do it.
I think that I have you pegged right, and that you understand that I am not making accusations, just voicing through some random thoughts of mine on the subject.
I responded to you originally because I know that you're rational and capable of taking a step back and discussing this topic in a coherent manner.
To address some of what you brought up, as we know after the fact, Teasdale was a hot mess. He never even wrestled for Penn State and left Iowa twice. I dont think we can draw anything from his recruiting situation at Iowa and PSU beyond him having friends on both teams and not being able to get through his personal issues at either place. (Who knows what kind of scholly offer he got at either place and if Cael or Brands knew about his issues coming in - which could've affected the scholarship offer.)
I liked Teske, but according to MVP, pml and others' standards over here, he was not a high end recruit. I think Cael was just trying to scramble to get someone to fill the void that Suriano left. (And then Suriano later leaves Rutgers, lol.)
Howard came in after Hall, Cassar, Joseph and Rasheed left. There shouldn't have been any scholarship $ issue with bringing him in.
I'm not going to rehash the overall 9.9 scholarships issue and how they can actually be spread well beyond 10 good wrestlers. That dead horse has been beaten beyond recognition.
Anyway, have a good night @jrod65
Bro, turn the page. Bad deeds after leaving a program is not an indictment on said program.
Before, during and after. Some people would call that a pattern.
The elephant in the room is that the rise to the top coincides with the hiring of Cael Sanderson. The catalyst to PSU's success is unquestionably Cael Sanderson. The only people who speculate as provided in your post are those who wish to diminish and downplay Cael's accomplishments without basis.
I am not disputing that at all. Anyone that even remotely follows college wrestling knows what Cael has created at PSU.
I understand your stance, but that doesn't have to always be the motivation of speculation.
A person could BOTH recognize that Cael is an excellent coach that has accomplished great things as a wrestler/coach, and question how he has done these things.
It only becomes an attempt at diminishing when a person turns that speculation into false narratives and attacks.
In short:
Asking questions is good. False accusations and blind following are bad.
I would assume so. But (and *not saying this happens*) if one were to say: our club athletes average compensation is XX per year, and they tend to fund anybody who graduates the program in good standing is really no different than a college saying 'Our Engineering grads have a 97% placement rate and average 80k".
That's just good business. My family has a saying - "You want fair, join 4H".
What is that? A strange lump under your skin it would take $5M to remove? Or a big clump of dirt in an Iowa cornfield?
Uh oh sounds like a touched a nerve.
Hey, remember when he kicked Bubba Jenkins off the team so his brother wouldn't be forced to sit his senior year? I believe the word for that is nepotism.
Agreed. Question it. Offer up anything solid. or, don't be afraid to get over it either.
Obviously no one associated w/Iowa wants to put up $5M or it'd already be done.
But, what if tomorrow that changed? Someone steps up and donates $5M++ to the HWC.
Do you accept it? Or, is it too much hassle?
Can anyone at Iowa be trusted to manage the funds responsibly?
-If so, why do you think they're the only ones? "Only Iowa can be trusted", mmmkay
-If not, why has there been such a massive donation circle-push going on the last several years? What's the goal? "We need just enough money to keep the lights on, please give a couple cents"? Seems they've been more aggressive than that.
I guess that elephant in the room never showed up at ISU during the 6 years Cael was coaching there (3 as ass't, 3 as head coach).
Nice try. Bubba has talked openly about that situation, and has taken full responsibility for what transpired.
No touched nerve here, man. When you focus so much on it, you have to wonder why. I mean, the Brands Bros haven’t been perfect either. It just sounds like jealousy. Iowa has great coaches. PSU has better. Everyone knows that, except a select few who rip them apart to make themselves feel better.
Now... go ahead and tell me to get off your lawn.
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Hey that's the biggest 🧠 in the sport of wrestling you're talking to. Show some respect.
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This is a terrible analogy. A billionaire could pay for thousands of students' tuition and give them a living stipend on top of it. There is no rules/laws against that and it would be applauded.
College sports are operating under a scholarship limit and strict recruiting regulations to prevent unfair advantages.
Idk why this even needs to be explained.
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Anytime the conversation of slush funds and recruiting violations come up (or PEDs for that matter), it needs to be emphasized that compliance/enforcement should not be left up to each school's compliance department. Obvious conflict of interest. The NCAA doesn't investigate, doesn't audit, does the bare minimum and passes off the responsibility to the schools. FBI has to get involved for a recruiting violation to actually be punished.
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