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Since none of the regular Libs are going to post this - why the sudden change in demeanor and admittance with your beloved?

Hillary Clinton on Wednesday reversed course in her handling of questions about her private email server when she was secretary of state.

In recent weeks, she has either dismissed the controversy or joked about it. But on Wednesday she said she had made a mistake.

"My use of personal email was allowed by the State Department. It clearly wasn't the best choice. I should have used two emails -- one personal, one for work -- and I take responsibility for that decision," she said when asked at an Iowa event.

For Hillary Clinton, email no longer a joking matter
 
"My use of personal email was allowed by the State Department. It clearly wasn't the best choice. I should have used two emails -- one personal, one for work -- and I take responsibility for that decision," she said when asked at an Iowa event.

Not gonna cut it. The FBI is on this now.
 
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She is back pedalling because it is serious sh*t that she did. I think she is just now starting to see that it could get quite ugly for her.
 
Ciggy is all over the Rep's news how come he\she doesn't post about this? I recall several of the L's on here claiming conspiracy, wingnut, etc... Well the picture is starting to make sense and no "happy little trees" from Bob Ross on it.
 
Hillary also told Joe Biden that as he considers a run for
the Democratic Nomination for President....."You should
do what is best for you and your family."

Bottom Line: The Coronation for Hillary has been cancelled
and she is running scared.
 
Hillary also told Joe Biden that as he considers a run for
the Democratic Nomination for President....."You should
do what is best for you and your family."

Bottom Line: The Coronation for Hillary has been cancelled
and she is running scared.

Sounds like a threat to harm his family.
 
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"My use of personal email was allowed by the State Department.

Has this been proven one way or another? I've heard her say this multiple times and this should be easy for somebody to document whether it is or it isn't. Anybody have the policy from when she started at the state department?
 
Has this been proven one way or another? I've heard her say this multiple times and this should be easy for somebody to document whether it is or it isn't. Anybody have the policy from when she started at the state department?

I am guessing they approved her for using personal email for personal emails, but NOT to use personal email for government emails.

I don't send work related emails from my home and my security clearance is not close to that of SoS.
 
She is back pedalling because it is serious sh*t that she did. I think she is just now starting to see that it could get quite ugly for her.
Back peddling ??? That's not what is. She has had three lines already about the e mails because they have proved a lie. This is just the latest attempt to make her illegalities sound like just mistakes in judgment. One more thing if her judgment is this bad in such small things how she be trusted on the important stuff a POTUS decides?
 
Back peddling ??? That's not what is. She has had three lines already about the e mails because they have proved a lie. This is just the latest attempt to make her illegalities sound like just mistakes in judgment. One more thing if her judgment is this bad in such small things how she be trusted on the important stuff a POTUS decides?

Plus she looks horrible. No style and bad hair.
 
Hillary also told Joe Biden that as he considers a run for
the Democratic Nomination for President....."You should
do what is best for you and your family."

Bottom Line: The Coronation for Hillary has been cancelled
and she is running scared.

This is the answer. With Biden in the race, she won't be allowed to just pretend it didn't happen.
 
I think Dems would suck it up and vote for her. But that doesn't exactly say, "I heart Hillary."

Then I guess we ALL need to stop lumping everyone into a category then? Not all R's are represented by the elected R's and I assume the same goes for D's?
 
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I think Dems would suck it up and vote for her. But that doesn't exactly say, "I heart Hillary."
Says a lot about the integrity of liberals.





http://www.businessinsider.com/quinnipiac-poll-hillary-clinton-jeb-bush-donald-trump-words
A new poll released Thursday asked respondents to name "the first word that comes to mind" with three of the leading 2016 presidential candidates.

The results were quite illuminating.

  • The top word associated with Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton was "liar."
  • The top word associated with Republican front-runner Donald Trump was "arrogant."
  • The top word associated with Republican contender Jeb Bush was "Bush."
The results come from a Quinnipiac University survey that polled 1,500 people.

Of those polled, 178 used "liar" for Clinton. After that, they were most likely to say "dishonest" (123) and then "untrustworthy" (93).



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/quin...ton-jeb-bush-donald-trump-words#ixzz3k3Aql9Bq
 
Vroom, what do you make of terre's post? He seems to be suggesting that Republicans do heart their candidates.
 
Vroom, what do you make of terre's post? He seems to be suggesting that Republicans do heart their candidates.

Again - I don't lump everyone into a category (well on this post I did, but that was just being a smart ass). I agree with some Dem's points and some R's points and some that neither represent.
 
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I am guessing they approved her for using personal email for personal emails, but NOT to use personal email for government emails.

I don't send work related emails from my home and my security clearance is not close to that of SoS.

This.

She didn't say the State Department approved of her use of personal email for official business.

In other words, she's a slimy liar.
 
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"My use of personal email was allowed by the State Department. It clearly wasn't the best choice. I should have used two emails -- one personal, one for work -- and I take responsibility for that decision," she said when asked at an Iowa event.

So what does everyone think she means by this? I don't think her definition of taking responsibility probably lines up with mine.
 
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Since none of the regular Libs are going to post this - why the sudden change in demeanor and admittance with your beloved?

Hillary Clinton on Wednesday reversed course in her handling of questions about her private email server when she was secretary of state.

In recent weeks, she has either dismissed the controversy or joked about it. But on Wednesday she said she had made a mistake.

"My use of personal email was allowed by the State Department. It clearly wasn't the best choice. I should have used two emails -- one personal, one for work -- and I take responsibility for that decision," she said when asked at an Iowa event.

For Hillary Clinton, email no longer a joking matter


Vroom...I think you haven't heard what "we" supporters of Hillary have maintained. If the gal did something criminal, so be it. However, at this time, what has been done illegal? No one (of any credibility) has made an accusation of criminal wrong-doing. It will unfold over time. That is how our system of justice works. Let's let the FACTS come out and go from there.
What will you do Vroom, if after all is said and done, she did nothing criminal?
 
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This.

She didn't say the State Department approved of her use of personal email for official business.

In other words, she's a slimy liar.
Was there a written policy? I've seen some reports that it was against the law. What was the law at the time? I won't vote for her regardless, but I'd like to read what the actual law or policy was at the time.
 
"My use of personal email was allowed by the State Department. It clearly wasn't the best choice. I should have used two emails -- one personal, one for work -- and I take responsibility for that decision," she said when asked at an Iowa event.

Not gonna cut it. The FBI is on this now.

That statement is probably the product of some committee of her staffers, after struggling for hours.
 
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Does Hillary Clinton have a serious legal problem because she may have transmitted classified information on her private e-mail server? After talking with a half-dozen knowledgeable lawyers, I think this “scandal” is overstated. Using the server was a self-inflicted wound by Clinton, but it’s not something a prosecutor would take to court.

“It’s common” that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel who’s now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.

“There are always these back channels,” Smith explained. “It’s inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables.” People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system. They shouldn’t, but they do.

“It’s common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isn’t used,” said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldn’t normally lead to criminal cases.

Clinton’s use of a private e-mail server while she was secretary of state has been a nagging campaign issue for months. Critics have argued that the most serious problem is possible transmission of classified information through that server. Many of her former top aides have sought legal counsel. But experts in national-security law say there may be less here than it might appear.

Clinton has come under fire for using a private e-mail during her time as secretary of state. The e-mails are being screened and released in batches. Here are some things we’ve learned from them.
First, experts say, there’s no legal difference whether Clinton and her aides passed sensitive information using her private server or the official “state.gov” account that many now argue should have been used. Neither system is authorized for transmitting classified information. Second, prosecution of such violations is extremely rare. Lax security procedures are taken seriously, but they’re generally seen as administrative matters.

Potential criminal violations arise when officials knowingly disseminate documents marked as classified to unauthorized officials or on unclassified systems, or otherwise misuse classified materials. That happened in two cases involving former CIA directors that are cited as parallels for the Clinton e-mail issue, but are quite different. John Deutch was pardoned in 2001 for using an unsecured CIA computer at his home to improperly access classified material; he reportedly had been prepared to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. David Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor in April for “knowingly” removing classified documents from authorized locations and retaining them at “unauthorized locations.” Neither case fits the fact pattern with the Clinton e-mails.

Clinton defended herself Aug. 18 with a carefully worded statement: “I did not send classified material, and I did not receive any material that was marked or designated classified.” Those may sound like weasel words, but they actually go to the heart of what might constitute a criminal case.

What happens in the real world of the State Department? Smith takes the hypothetical example of an assistant secretary who receives a classified cable from, say, Paris, about a meeting with the French foreign minister and wants quick guidance from the secretary. So he dashes off an e-mail — rather than sending a classified cable that would be seen by perhaps a dozen people.

“Technically, he has taken classified information and put it onto an unclassified system,” Smith said. “It’s the same as picking up a telephone and talking about it. It’s not right. But the challenge of getting the secretary’s attention — getting guidance when you need it — is an inevitable human, bureaucratic imperative. Is it a crime? Technically, perhaps yes. But it would never be prosecuted.”

Informal back channels existed long before e-mail. One former State Department official recalled the days when most embassies overseas had only a few phones authorized for secret communications. Rather than go to the executive office to make such a call, officers would use their regular phones, bypassing any truly sensitive details. “Did we cross red lines? No doubt. Did it put information at risk? Maybe. But, if you weren’t in Moscow or Beijing, you didn’t worry much,” this former official said.

Back channels are used because the official ones are so encrusted by classification and bureaucracy. State had the “Roger Channel,” named after former official Roger Hilsman, for sending secret messages directly to the secretary. The Joint Chiefs of Staff had a similar private channel. CIA station chiefs could send communications known as “Aardwolves” straight to the director.

Are these channels misused sometimes? Most definitely. Is there a crime here? Almost certainly not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...cabed8-4cf4-11e5-902f-39e9219e574b_story.html
 
Does Hillary Clinton have a serious legal problem because she may have transmitted classified information on her private e-mail server? After talking with a half-dozen knowledgeable lawyers, I think this “scandal” is overstated. Using the server was a self-inflicted wound by Clinton, but it’s not something a prosecutor would take to court.

“It’s common” that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel who’s now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.

“There are always these back channels,” Smith explained. “It’s inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables.” People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system. They shouldn’t, but they do.

“It’s common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isn’t used,” said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldn’t normally lead to criminal cases.

Clinton’s use of a private e-mail server while she was secretary of state has been a nagging campaign issue for months. Critics have argued that the most serious problem is possible transmission of classified information through that server. Many of her former top aides have sought legal counsel. But experts in national-security law say there may be less here than it might appear.

Clinton has come under fire for using a private e-mail during her time as secretary of state. The e-mails are being screened and released in batches. Here are some things we’ve learned from them.
First, experts say, there’s no legal difference whether Clinton and her aides passed sensitive information using her private server or the official “state.gov” account that many now argue should have been used. Neither system is authorized for transmitting classified information. Second, prosecution of such violations is extremely rare. Lax security procedures are taken seriously, but they’re generally seen as administrative matters.

Potential criminal violations arise when officials knowingly disseminate documents marked as classified to unauthorized officials or on unclassified systems, or otherwise misuse classified materials. That happened in two cases involving former CIA directors that are cited as parallels for the Clinton e-mail issue, but are quite different. John Deutch was pardoned in 2001 for using an unsecured CIA computer at his home to improperly access classified material; he reportedly had been prepared to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. David Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor in April for “knowingly” removing classified documents from authorized locations and retaining them at “unauthorized locations.” Neither case fits the fact pattern with the Clinton e-mails.

Clinton defended herself Aug. 18 with a carefully worded statement: “I did not send classified material, and I did not receive any material that was marked or designated classified.” Those may sound like weasel words, but they actually go to the heart of what might constitute a criminal case.

What happens in the real world of the State Department? Smith takes the hypothetical example of an assistant secretary who receives a classified cable from, say, Paris, about a meeting with the French foreign minister and wants quick guidance from the secretary. So he dashes off an e-mail — rather than sending a classified cable that would be seen by perhaps a dozen people.

“Technically, he has taken classified information and put it onto an unclassified system,” Smith said. “It’s the same as picking up a telephone and talking about it. It’s not right. But the challenge of getting the secretary’s attention — getting guidance when you need it — is an inevitable human, bureaucratic imperative. Is it a crime? Technically, perhaps yes. But it would never be prosecuted.”

Informal back channels existed long before e-mail. One former State Department official recalled the days when most embassies overseas had only a few phones authorized for secret communications. Rather than go to the executive office to make such a call, officers would use their regular phones, bypassing any truly sensitive details. “Did we cross red lines? No doubt. Did it put information at risk? Maybe. But, if you weren’t in Moscow or Beijing, you didn’t worry much,” this former official said.

Back channels are used because the official ones are so encrusted by classification and bureaucracy. State had the “Roger Channel,” named after former official Roger Hilsman, for sending secret messages directly to the secretary. The Joint Chiefs of Staff had a similar private channel. CIA station chiefs could send communications known as “Aardwolves” straight to the director.

Are these channels misused sometimes? Most definitely. Is there a crime here? Almost certainly not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...cabed8-4cf4-11e5-902f-39e9219e574b_story.html

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If you believe in transparency you must not skirt the law by seeking a loophole. You must be open and you must APPEAR open as well. When she initiated use of the Clinton server, she knew she was on a path to cover --- or at least appear to cover - something. She failed a key test for good government.
 
I think Dems would suck it up and vote for her. But that doesn't exactly say, "I heart Hillary."
I agree, and I think establishment Repubs would hold their breath and vote for Trump, because anything would be better than Hillary.

No candidate from either party will get less than 45% of the popular vote. That's how divided this country is.
 
Was there a written policy? I've seen some reports that it was against the law. What was the law at the time? I won't vote for her regardless, but I'd like to read what the actual law or policy was at the time.

Yes there was a written policy.

The State Department has had a policy in place since 2005 to warn officials against routine use of personal email accounts for government work, a regulation in force during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state that appears to be at odds with her reliance on a private email for agency business, POLITICO has learned.

The policy, detailed in a manual for agency employees, adds clarity to an issue at the center of a growing controversy over Clinton’s reliance on a private email account. Aides to Clinton, as well as State Department officials, have suggested that she did nothing inappropriate because of fuzzy guidelines and lack of specific rules on when and how official documents had to be preserved during her years as secretary.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...ail-rule-hillary-clinton-115804#ixzz3k8GLL6hT
 
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