No Scholllies avail for 2017 Class; 1 available for 2018; when was last time we had just 1 Senior?

[And1Hawk]

One thing matters, and one thing only. Our coach has the ability to pay for an extra scholarship out of his own pocket IF HE CHOSES TO. If he choses to do it, it won't be for a marginal player, it will be for a stud that will help the program and help him professionally and financially in the long term. There are plenty of other coaches in D1 FB and BBall who would like to have that option available.

It is not a slap in the face to Connor, because I'm guessing that Connor isn't a stupid sentimentalist like you are. The national player of the year a couple of years ago was walk-on in the exact same situation. I guess Doug McDermott should have just shriveled up into a ball of disrespect after getting slapped in the face like that and just sat out the season.

The status of a scholarship means nothing, it is is a financial status only.

Cut out the Lebron nonsense too, classic straw man argument. That would never happen.

Always good work when you result to name calling. Definitely brings more credibility to your argument.

Nice try with Doug. The McDermott situation was giving up his final year of scholarship use for Grant Gibbs award of a 6th year of eligibility. A player already on the roster. McDermott did not come into Creighton as a walk-on. Should Greg have paid for Doug the entire time? He has the finances to do so. There was no possibility of bringing in an additional very good player at any time before his final year is what that must mean?

You are right that Fran would never insult LeBron with a walk-on offer if his son was deserving on the basis that LeBron could afford to pay his way. Exactly the point that finances have no part in determining athletic scholarship awards.

 

[Bob Sanders Biceps]

Always good work when you result to name calling. Definitely brings more credibility to your argument.

Nice try with Doug. The McDermott situation was giving up his final year of scholarship use for Grant Gibbs award of a 6th year of eligibility. A player already on the roster. McDermott did not come into Creighton as a walk-on. Should Greg have paid for Doug the entire time? He has the finances to do so. There was no possibility of bringing in an additional very good player at any time before his final year is what that must mean?

You still don't get it. Greg McDermott had no obligation to ever pay for Doug, but he did it for his personal benefit to make his team better. If Fran does it, it will be for his own personal benefit to make his team better. They aren't asking someone else for the money, and no one is making them do it. They are purely acting in their own self-interest. Can you sit down and let Fran make an adult decision about his roster?

 

[DewHawk]

And everyone said Amen! Truly bizarre the intensity of some of the posters on this comparatively unimportant topic.

Agreed!

 

[hawk_it]

Nice position the Hawks are in just having to take just the right player who wants to be at Iowa!

 

[amahawk]

If Fran wants to open up a ride for the team he can have his son walk on to the team. If he does not want to have his son walk on the team he may not have a scholarship to give to a recruit. It is pretty simple and not insulting to any one.

 

[And1Hawk]

You still don't get it. Greg McDermott had no obligation to ever pay for Doug, but he did it for his personal benefit to make his team better. If Fran does it, it will be for his own personal benefit to make his team better. They aren't asking someone else for the money, and no one is making them do it. They are purely acting in their own self-interest. Can you sit down and let Fran make an adult decision about his roster?

I have absolutely zero problems with Fran and his son alone deciding to walk-on. My problem is with those in our very own fanbase who insist that he should walk-on for the reasons I have stated in my posts.

As we have all read now from Connor he is willing to walk-on to benefit the team which is your point but also read very, very carefully his comments that indicate my position about the meaning of being a scholarship athlete and that he could be at many other schools. If being labeled a scholarship athlete is no big deal to athletes then he'd gladly walk-on all 4 years.

“I think we could come up with something that would work best for all of us even if it’s not walking on. I do think as the years go on I deserve a scholarship at some point. I’ve been committed for a while. So, just because my dad is the coach here, I still think I should get a scholarship because I would have gotten one if I would have gone somewhere else,” he said.

This kid committed to be a Hawk 4 years ago and I'd still like to see us make him a scholarship player all 4 years if at all possible.

 

[Bob Sanders Biceps]

My problem is with those in our very own fanbase who insist that he should walk-on for the reasons I have stated in my posts.

No one is saying that. You have made up those people.

 

[hawkfan1963]

No one is saying that. You have made up those people.

Agree I have never read a post where anybody INSISTED Connor walk on. The only discussion I have seen is people saying it is an option depending on who wants to commit.

 

[championhawk]

I have absolutely zero problems with Fran and his son alone deciding to walk-on. My problem is with those in our very own fanbase who insist that he should walk-on for the reasons I have stated in my posts.

As we have all read now from Connor he is willing to walk-on to benefit the team which is your point but also read very, very carefully his comments that indicate my position about the meaning of being a scholarship athlete and that he could be at many other schools. If being labeled a scholarship athlete is no big deal to athletes then he'd gladly walk-on all 4 years.

“I think we could come up with something that would work best for all of us even if it’s not walking on. I do think as the years go on I deserve a scholarship at some point. I’ve been committed for a while. So, just because my dad is the coach here, I still think I should get a scholarship because I would have gotten one if I would have gone somewhere else,” he said.

This kid committed to be a Hawk 4 years ago and I'd still like to see us make him a scholarship player all 4 years if at all possible.

I don't care if he walks on or gets a scholarship but I will say there probably isn't another Power 5 team that would give him a full ride and let him play baseball. He should factor that in so he can make an apples to apples comparison on scholarship statements.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Clearly, Fran needs to let the fans decide whether his sons walk on or get a scholarship. Maybe the athletic department can use the poll to generate more interest in the basketball program.

 

[DanL53]

 

[Franisdaman]

Transfers from the bottom of our roster are absolutely a good thing, that is the true sign of a healthy program. It allows Fran to bring more guys through the program and give them a chance to show what they can do, which drastically increases the depth and quality of our roster over time.



Well said.

But, if you had balanced classes (example: 3 freshmen, 3 sophomore, 3 juniors and 4 seniors), the 3 freshmen should realize its normal to be at the bottom of the totem pole as they learn the system, earn Fran's trust,etc These freshmen may be at "the bottom of the roster" BUT they are just freshmen. If they were good enough to be offered a scholarship, they should be good enough to eventually play and not be given a nudge to transfer after just one year.

We are in year 7 of Fran's tenure. I would argue that having 6 freshman/redshirt freshman and 4 sophomore/redshirt sophomore is dangerous and not healthy. The roster is really lopsided and I hope it does not end up in a lopsided season.

 

[DanL53]

But, if you had balanced classes (example: 3 freshmen, 3 sophomore, 3 juniors and 4 seniors), the 3 freshmen should realize its normal to be at the bottom of the totem pole as they learn the system, earn Fran's trust,etc These freshmen may be at "the bottom of the roster" BUT they are just freshmen. If they were good enough to be offered a scholarship, they should be good enough to eventually play and not be given a nudge to transfer after just one year.

We are in year 7 of Fran's tenure. I would argue that having 6 freshman/redshirt freshman and 4 sophomore/redshirt sophomore is dangerous and not healthy. The roster is really lopsided and I hope it does not end up in a lopsided season.

Couldn't say that in year six with four seniors. Or year five with three seniors and four juniors.........etc.

So what is the point of saying, "We are in year 7...."?

Wait! Let me answer that. Because whether you know it or not you just want to complain about McCaffery and it makes it SOUND like we've had this "problem" for seven years.

For cripes sake why are you so uptight about this like only Iowa has transfers?

By the way..."given a nudge"? Link, proof, anything!?!? Or more passive/aggressive bashing of the Iowa program?

 

[Bob Sanders Biceps]

But, if you had balanced classes (example: 3 freshmen, 3 sophomore, 3 juniors and 4 seniors), the 3 freshmen should realize its normal to be at the bottom of the totem pole as they learn the system, earn Fran's trust,etc These freshmen may be at "the bottom of the roster" BUT they are just freshmen. If they were good enough to be offered a scholarship, they should be good enough to eventually play and not be given a nudge to transfer after just one year.

We are in year 7 of Fran's tenure. I would argue that having 6 freshman/redshirt freshman and 4 sophomore/redshirt sophomore is dangerous and not healthy. The roster is really lopsided and I hope it does not end up in a lopsided season.

I agree that unbalanced classes are a potential issue.

As to the transfers, I do not agree at all. There will always be misses in recruiting, and most of those misses are evident by the end of year 1. If these guys were transferring to big time schools and turning out to be good players, there would be a problem. We have not had a single player transfer under Fran, and be successful elsewhere.

As to the nudge, I don't think they need to be nudged to transfer. These guys aren't stupid, and they realize if they are getting owned in practice every day. They can see if the guys in front of them are better.

 

[Franisdaman]

Couldn't say that in year six with four seniors. Or year five with three seniors and four juniors.........etc.

So what is the point of saying, "We are in year 7...."?

Wait! Let me answer that. Because whether you know it or not you just want to bitch about McCaffery and it makes it SOUND like we've had this "problem" for seven years.

For cripes sake why are you so uptight about this like only Iowa has transfers?

By the way..."given a nudge"? Link, proof, anything!?!? Or more passive/aggressive bashing of the Iowa program?

Dan, you try to sound cute and bright in your posts but it is clear to everyone that you fail in both aspects.

You left this free board a while ago; why did you decide to come back? No one missed you and your "insight;" please do us all a favor and go back to the board where you pay monthly fees; the paying members there deserve to have to deal with the nonsense that you post.

Thank you and good bye and good luck.

 

[DanL53]

Dan, you try to sound cute and bright in your posts but it is clear to everyone that you fail in both aspects.

You left this free board a while ago; why did you decide to come back? No one missed you and your "insight;" please do us all a favor and go back to the board where you pay monthly fees; the paying members there deserve to have to deal with the nonsense that you post.

Thank you and good bye and good luck.

That's ok. I think I'll stick around here and see how you turn bashing the Iowa program into bashing posters who don't agree with you.

Again, one example of a player being "nudged" to leave, please?

And let me know when you attend these meetings with "everyone" so I can be there, ok?

 

[Franisdaman]

I agree that unbalanced classes are a potential issue.

As to the transfers, I do not agree at all. There will always be misses in recruiting, and most of those misses are evident by the end of year 1. If these guys were transferring to big time schools and turning out to be good players, there would be a problem. We have not had a single player transfer under Fran, and be successful elsewhere.

As to the nudge, I don't think they need to be nudged to transfer. These guys aren't stupid, and they realize if they are getting owned in practice every day. They can see if the guys in front of them are better.

Thank you! My point is that having 10 freshmen/sophomores and just 3 junior/seniors is dangerous; ideally, you want to put more experience on the court during an 18 game B1G season. The B1G is tough enough as it is.

Yes, I agree; misses in recruiting happen. However, when classes get so unbalanced as a result, I think there are going to be potential problems down the road; and I think being so young this year will lead to a roller coaster of a season. I hope I am wrong but we are got playing with 5 star freshmen and sophomore recruits and we are not playing in the SEC. Conference.

Am I the only one who thinks that we will have a roller coaster of a season as a result of our very youthful and inexperienced roster? If we finish 9-9 in conference play I think we will be lucky.

 

[Franisdaman]

That's ok. I think I'll stick around here and see how you turn bashing the Iowa program into bashing posters who don't agree with you.

Again, one example of a player being "nudged" to leave, please?

And let me know when you attend these meetings with "everyone" so I can be there, ok?

No, i think you will eventually leave again. You are a quitter after all.

And please quote me in this thread where I am bashing the program. Quit the damn lying, will you?

Where did i ever discuss "a player being "nudged" to leave????" Again, why are you lying????

And what are these meetings with "everyone" that you speak of?

You have lost me and everybody else with your lies and nonsense.

Thanks for showing us all that you are both looney and a liar. A great combo, I must say.

What's next, Dan? Are you going to post some looney video again?

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

Worst case scenario IMO 10-8 in the B1G, best case 14-4 unless they grow up faster than even I expect, so I again will predict 12-6 in the conference this year. And Fran is the Man to get them there. Sips on my look-aid, Ahhhhhh and its good

 

[Franisdaman]

Worst case scenario IMO 10-8 in the B1G, best case 14-4 unless they grow up faster than even I expect, so I again will predict 12-6 in the conference this year. And Fran is the Man to get them there. Sips on my look-aid, Ahhhhhh and its good

hope you are right on the 12-6; i think 9-9 will be where we land, mostly because of the growing pains and the long, unforgiving B1G season

 

[DanL53]

But, if you had balanced classes (example: 3 freshmen, 3 sophomore, 3 juniors and 4 seniors), the 3 freshmen should realize its normal to be at the bottom of the totem pole as they learn the system, earn Fran's trust,etc These freshmen may be at "the bottom of the roster" BUT they are just freshmen. If they were good enough to be offered a scholarship, they should be good enough to eventually play and not be given a nudge to transfer after just one year.

We are in year 7 of Fran's tenure. I would argue that having 6 freshman/redshirt freshman and 4 sophomore/redshirt sophomore is dangerous and not healthy. The roster is really lopsided and I hope it does not end up in a lopsided season.

No, i think you will eventually leave again. You are a quitter after all.

And please quote me in this thread where I am bashing the program. Quit the damn lying, will you?

Where did i ever discuss "a player being "nudged" to leave????" Again, why are you lying????

And what are these meetings with "everyone" that you speak of?

You have lost me and everybody else with your lies and nonsense.

Thanks for showing us all that you are both looney and a liar. A great combo, I must say.

What's next, Dan? Are you going to post some looney video again?

 

[Franisdaman]

Weak, Dan. Seriously, this is all you have? My point was that the 3 freshmen would only be freshman; If they were good enough to be offered a scholarship, they should be good enough to eventually play in Fran's system. How is that bashing the program?

Don't you have a video to post or something? Don't you need to quit this board soon, again? Those seem to be the only things you have mastered.

 

[DanL53]

Weak, Dan. Seriously, this is all you have? My point was that the 3 freshmen would only be freshman; If they were good enough to be offered a scholarship, they should be good enough to eventually play in Fran's system. How is that bashing the program?

Don't you have a video to post or something? Don't you need to quit this board soon, again? Those seem to be the only things you have mastered.

"If they were good enough to be offered a scholarship, they should be good enough to eventually play and not be given a nudge to transfer after just one year."

"Where did i ever discuss "a player being "nudged" to leave????" Again, why are you lying????"

Two posts from Franisdaman, amazingly only 31 minutes apart.



Let's see, what else? Oh, yeah. I quit, reading an idiots posts.

 

[Ronman]

No, i think you will eventually leave again. You are a quitter after all.

And please quote me in this thread where I am bashing the program. Quit the damn lying, will you?

Where did i ever discuss "a player being "nudged" to leave????" Again, why are you lying????

And what are these meetings with "everyone" that you speak of?

You have lost me and everybody else with your lies and nonsense.

Thanks for showing us all that you are both looney and a liar. A great combo, I must say.

What's next, Dan? Are you going to post some looney video again?

Why do I get the feeling that you're just herby with better typing skills?

 

[Franisdaman]

"If they were good enough to be offered a scholarship, they should be good enough to eventually play and not be given a nudge to transfer after just one year."

"Where did i ever discuss "a player being "nudged" to leave????" Again, why are you lying????"

Two posts from Franisdaman, amazingly only 31 minutes apart.



Let's see, what else? Oh, yeah. I quit, reading an idiots posts.

Good job at only quoting part of my paragraph, Dan. Just another example of your horrific ways of constructing an argument.

Here is the entire paragraph:

But, if you had balanced classes (example: 3 freshmen, 3 sophomore, 3 juniors and 4 seniors), the 3 freshmen should realize its normal to be at the bottom of the totem pole as they learn the system, earn Fran's trust,etc These freshmen may be at "the bottom of the roster" BUT they are just freshmen. If they were good enough to be offered a scholarship, they should be good enough to eventually play and not be given a nudge to transfer after just one year.

I was sticking up for the FRESHMEN players, stating that they are good enough to have earned a scholarship and that they will eventually play; they just need to stay patient. It is clear that I never insinuated that any former player was nudged out.
Yet what do you do? You insanely write "one example of a player being 'nudged' to leave, please."

The second thing you do? You post another annoying video!

Dan, please stop with your nonsense, stop with the videos, and simply quit the board, again.

That is what quitters like you do, Dan. So do the right thing Dan; now that you have been humiliated, don't further reply to this thread, Simply leave us, just like you did earlier this year.

Thanks.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

Why do I get the feeling that you're just herby with better typing skills?

This is correct. Not a smart person.

 

[Franisdaman]

This is correct. Not a smart person.

sometimes i wish we could see the identities of those posting; i think it would be hilarious and rather telling; i can only imagine what Dan looks like

 

[championhawk]

That's ok. I think I'll stick around here and see how you turn bashing the Iowa program into bashing posters who don't agree with you.

Again, one example of a player being "nudged" to leave, please?

And let me know when you attend these meetings with "everyone" so I can be there, ok?

I love your posts and agree with almost everything you have to say on here.

 

[texashawkeye87]

sometimes i wish we could see the identities of those posting; i think it would be hilarious and rather telling; i can only imagine what Dan looks like

I would imagine he's a rather normal looking person, going off his posting history and demeanor. Not sure what your grudge is with him or why you're so hung up on arguing, but I'd venture most on this board enjoys what he posts.

What does my photo say about me, by the way? I'm curious to know.

 

[Legend12]

I'm definitely not a member of the DanL fan club, mainly because of his lack of objectivity, but Franisdaman is one of the worst posters on here, as evidenced by his multiple screen names and inability to not continually make a fool of himself.

 

[Franisdaman]

I'm definitely not a member of the DanL fan club, mainly because of his lack of objectivity, but Franisdaman is one of the worst posters on here, as evidenced by his multiple screen names and inability to not continually make a fool of himself.

"Inability to not continually," huh?

and who is making a fool of himself?

are you that dumb, where you cannot construct a sentence? obviously, we know the answer to my question.

 

[Franisdaman]

I would imagine he's a rather normal looking person, going off his posting history and demeanor. Not sure what your grudge is with him or why you're so hung up on arguing, but I'd venture most on this board enjoys what he posts.

What does my photo say about me, by the way? I'm curious to know.

all you have to do is look at the nonsense he posts and the stupid videos he posts. they are not worth anyone's time.

Dan left us a few months ago, saying he would no longer post here, and that he would be posting exclusives in the Lounge. Well, unfortunately for us, that did not last long. Dan is back. They must of gotten sick of him in the lounge, as well.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Thank you! My point is that having 10 freshmen/sophomores and just 3 junior/seniors is dangerous; ideally, you want to put more experience on the court during an 18 game B1G season. The B1G is tough enough as it is.

Yes, I agree; misses in recruiting happen. However, when classes get so unbalanced as a result, I think there are going to be potential problems down the road; and I think being so young this year will lead to a roller coaster of a season. I hope I am wrong but we are got playing with 5 star freshmen and sophomore recruits and we are not playing in the SEC. Conference.

Am I the only one who thinks that we will have a roller coaster of a season as a result of our very youthful and inexperienced roster? If we finish 9-9 in conference play I think we will be lucky.

Maybe we will have an up-and-down team. However, we just graduated a group of guys who had the exact same "problem" as the one you describe here. We had Adam Woodbury, Mike Gesell, Kyle Meyer, Anthony Clemmons, and Patrick Ingram all in the same class.

The ones who didn't see playing time in their futures (Ingram and Meyer) transferred, making room for Jarrod Uthoff to come to Iowa. This group (Uthoff, Woody, Gesell, Clemmons), with help from guys like Marble and White, formed the core for three straight NCAA appearances.

Chemistry in college basketball is invaluable. Unfortunately the players in the core that just graduated, while having great chemistry, mostly reached the ceilings of their respective games. Guys like Moss, Dailey, Kriener, and of course, Cook all have ceilings higher than Gesell, Clemmons, and Woodbury (in my opinion).

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that I'll take the NCAA's every three out of four years in a heartbeat, with the fourth year being an opportunity to do a slight rebuild.

 

[2432Hawk]

Dan, you try to sound cute and bright in your posts but it is clear to everyone that you fail in both aspects.

You left this free board a while ago; why did you decide to come back? No one missed you and your "insight;" please do us all a favor and go back to the board where you pay monthly fees; the paying members there deserve to have to deal with the nonsense that you post.

Thank you and good bye and good luck.

Can we have a poll on who stays and who goes?

Sorry Fransisdaman.....no soup for you......NEXT!!!

 

[seer_hawk]

Thank you! My point is that having 10 freshmen/sophomores and just 3 junior/seniors is dangerous; ideally, you want to put more experience on the court during an 18 game B1G season. The B1G is tough enough as it is.

Yes, I agree; misses in recruiting happen. However, when classes get so unbalanced as a result, I think there are going to be potential problems down the road; and I think being so young this year will lead to a roller coaster of a season. I hope I am wrong but we are got playing with 5 star freshmen and sophomore recruits and we are not playing in the SEC. Conference.

Am I the only one who thinks that we will have a roller coaster of a season as a result of our very youthful and inexperienced roster? If we finish 9-9 in conference play I think we will be lucky.

First off I'm not sure if I can carry on a civil discussion with anyone that doesn't appreciate classic Monty Python.

In an ideal world balanced classes are the way to go, because you always have upper class leadership, and more stability. In this day and age of players leaving early for various reasons (transfers, going pro, injuries, etc), and lower scholarship numbers, it's not as easy as 20 years ago. Relying on underclassmen is more the norm than it was. When player leave early you can leave open scholarships, go after JUCO's/transfers, or replace them with freshmen. I'm happy that Fran has been able to give us full rosters the majority of his time at Iowa. To me that's more important than keeping classes balanced. We may have ups and downs, because of our youth, but we are coming off 4 straight years of post season tourneys. We are bound to experience growing pains sometimes, without using transfers to replace transfers.

 

[DanL53]

Thanks for all the nice support guys and I can't believe we are on page three of this subject of balanced classes.

seer-hawk among others stated it perfectly, "In an ideal world balanced classes...."

College Basketball has never been ideal world. The worst teams don't get to draft first, players don't get paid in any way where the IRS can get it's chunk. Coaches can go from team to team leaving sanctions and penalties behind. The whole thing seems quite the amateurish operation!

It is and always has been a "new money" family. Wackier than the "Beverley Hillbillies" themselves!

And today's episode has been about player transfers. Now, either Fran has been responsible for most, or all, of the 700+ D1 transfers last year alone. Or, he's just another coach going through the same thing as everyone else.

Next week we'll talk about how Jethro Bodine got into North Carolina with only his fourth grade education.

 

[hawk-i bob]

2 cents..

I'm sure Fran would prefer a so called balanced roster..but that's not always under his control (between red shirting, medical redshirt & transfer's)...now we can add walk on going on scholarship.

No one (that's NO ONE) expected Nicholas Baer to become a scholarship player..well other than Baer himself.

Players who transfer are not quitting the team. None of their teammates view them in that way...they all know that playing time is not a guarantee. More times than not ..transfering is a good thing for the player as well as for Iowa.

While on paper it may appear that Iowa does not have a spot for 2017...I'm pretty sure Fran is not going after guys like Williams & Gaza without having a plan.,,whatever or however that turns out doesn't really matter.

 

[Franisdaman]

Thanks for all the nice support guys and I can't believe we are on page three of this subject of balanced classes.

seer-hawk among others stated it perfectly, "In an ideal world balanced classes...."

College Basketball has never been ideal world. The worst teams don't get to draft first, players don't get paid in any way where the IRS can get it's chunk. Coaches can go from team to team leaving sanctions and penalties behind. The whole thing seems quite the amateurish operation!

It is and always has been a "new money" family. Wackier than the "Beverley Hillbillies" themselves!

And today's episode has been about player transfers. Now, either Fran has been responsible for most, or all, of the 700+ D1 transfers last year alone. Or, he's just another coach going through the same thing as everyone else.

Next week we'll talk about how Jethro Bodine got into North Carolina with only his fourth grade education.

Uh, one poster showed "nice support" to you.

Why do you even type up the rubbish that you do? You bring up the Beverly Hilbillies; seriously? All I can do is shake my head.

And no video this time? Well, at least there is that.

Good grief.

 

[StatisticsLie]

Uh, one poster showed "nice support" to you.

Why do you even type up the rubbish that you do? You bring up the Beverly Hilbillies; seriously? All I can do is shake my head.

And no video this time? Well, at least there is that.

Good grief.

I'm with Dan.... You started a thread simply to argue with anyone who had a different view. Any team worth a damn recruits for the future whether they have spots or not. This may be because they know their team better than a random poster on a free website. Indiana, as much as harp on them, does this time and time again.

Teams with quality players continuously recruit because talented players will want to play and if there isn't enough playing time, they transfer. If we recruit low-talent guys, we would run into the scholly problem but I'd have a hard time believing a guy like Moss would be happy to be a deep bench reserve for the next 4 years (not saying he will be but he'd likely transfer if that was where Fran put him).

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

Uh, one poster showed "nice support" to you.

Why do you even type up the rubbish that you do? You bring up the Beverly Hilbillies; seriously? All I can do is shake my head.

And no video this time? Well, at least there is that.

Good grief.

You should start a poll asking whether posters think you're a tool or not. I'd bet the majority would vote yes.