Here’s a still I found on Twitter. Can’t seem to find a GIF or anything in motion, but it’s pretty clear.
No, the Refs Didn’t Cost Us This Game
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Go away or answer an easy question. Why would it not be basket interference? Point it out in the rule book.
Please explain.
Read the rules @Hawk_4shur posted and then ask if that rule was violated.
1: Maybe, that is what we are looking for in a close up video or one from a better angle. If his hands were on the rim when the ball entered the basket than it is a clear basket interference violation.
2: No - I think we all agree he did not touch the ball
3: No - Again, I think we all agree he did not touch the ball
4 and 5: I've seen no evidence of him grabbing the ring to the point it moved, which is why I was hoping for a close up video.
I guess the answer is Article 2. a. 1. - The ball was not "within the basket" when he grabbed the rim.
Yes, that seems like the right answer. I had thought that touching the rim when the ball was in the "cylinder" counted as interference, and perhaps that was the rule at some point, but that's not the rule now or the situation here. Not moving the rim was also key in this case. The refs got it correct.
Jason Benetti asks “is this basket interference?”
Raftery responds “oh yes”.
Neither called it goaltending and neither played basketball for Wisconsin.
Refs cannot, THEY SIMPLY CANNOT, change a call ever. Can you imagine the carnage out here if refs just started handing out technical fouls and then rescinding them?!? 😊
Left hand/fingers clearly on the rim. Ball clearly on the rim/in the basket. Right hand appears to be in contact as well.
I was in row 10 behind the IU bench. I thought the game was reffed more poorly in person than when I watched the replay today. Rebreca's 5th seemed bad in person but I clearly see the early grab on TV. Hard for a 230 pound man to grab a rim without making it shake or vibrate while the ball was in the cylinder...
Yea. I thought Rebraca’s fifth was definitely a foul too. I think maybe his fourth foul was a little softer.
OK. This image looks like a violation of the rule. My comment above pertains to the previous images posted.Left hand/fingers clearly on the rim. Ball clearly on the rim/in the basket. Right hand appears to be in contact as well.
You can try and make all the arguments you want that it wasn't BI and the refs ruled it correctly.
But someone tell TJD that. As it was effing happening, he was already getting after Geronimo for the BI, and even turned around & continued his angry pouting to himself.
TJD KNEW it was BI, but the refs still wrongfully counted the bucket after huddling up.
But someone tell TJD that. As it was effing happening, he was already getting after Geronimo for the BI, and even turned around & continued his angry pouting to himself.
TJD KNEW it was BI, but the refs still wrongfully counted the bucket after huddling up.
I thought it was clearly basket interference, but looking at each element of the rule, I actually think Legend is correct, MAYBE it was. I am not sure exactly what is considered in the cylinder, but he clearly had both hands on the rim just before the ball went through the hoop. I do believe that this would have been called basket interference nearly 100% of the time in most games.
As usual Little Larry's crew wasn't very good, but generally the bad calls did go both ways IMO.
Having watched and rewatched this video clip…when adding this picture, the original call of basket interference was correct.Left hand/fingers clearly on the rim. Ball clearly on the rim/in the basket. Right hand appears to be in contact as well.
**When watching the video the Indiana player QUICKLY pulled his hands away as the ball is starting to fall through the basket…..which makes it seem close BUT the original call is correct.
Left hand/fingers clearly on the rim. Ball clearly on the rim/in the basket. Right hand appears to be in contact as well.
Great pic...if any part of the ball is at or below the rim than BI would have definitely been the right call.
We won, obviously. You think the offensive basket interference was a good call? They replayed it for ****s sake. Then they made the same call. That's not a mistake, it's a crime.
No opinion on the BI call. Didn’t even see it.
But there are thousands of calls and non-call each game. No one call decides a game, nor do the sum of all calls.
Players decide games.
I guess this could go in a few threads, but I'll slip it into this one. I'm watching the Michigan / MSU game and Sirotto, Green, and Szelc are working this game.
Izzo has already been right in Szelc's ear hole on one call, then after a shot clock violation (Correct call), that Izzo wanted a foul on, he was well out of the coaches box screaming nose to nose at Green.
Two sets of standards in the Big Ten, I guess.
Izzo has already been right in Szelc's ear hole on one call, then after a shot clock violation (Correct call), that Izzo wanted a foul on, he was well out of the coaches box screaming nose to nose at Green.
Two sets of standards in the Big Ten, I guess.
Izzo gets away with murder………dang near!
I dislike Izzo horribly!
I dislike Izzo horribly!
One of thee dumbest comments posted here. 😂
Well you certainly missed what even flabbergasted the announcers and of course the Iowa bench. It was a call that cannot be explained, even after discussion and replay. It was a call that could not be explained through the rules of the game.
Had you been alive and watching the last three games of the 81 season you'd know very well that one call, strategically timed, can cost a game. But the real problem is a disparity in officiating. If the games were called evenly Wisconsin and Michigan State would be in the penalty in about 10 minutes. They foul constantly.
So its the grind of consistently creating a double standard of play. For example if Iowa comes out hot against Sparty or one of the teams that are supposed to beat us the officials will keep Sparty in the game when they are playing poorly. Talented teams do not play poorly for 40 minutes very often, that life jacket is all Sparty needs until its outstanding players begin to play better. This is an obvious pattern of Big Ten officiating and not just against Iowa. It has the effect of altering the outcomes of seasons for the teams and in the league standings.
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Love the close up photos posted that prove without a doubt what we already saw from our couch.
And the worst officials in the B1G even saw the basket interference.... Before stumbling over themselves and screwing up the call..... because.... they are, once again, the WORST officials in the B1G
And the worst officials in the B1G even saw the basket interference.... Before stumbling over themselves and screwing up the call..... because.... they are, once again, the WORST officials in the B1G
Evidently this gentlemen forgot the out of bounds call against Iowa in Minnesota a number of years ago that gave the ball to Minny with under 10 seconds left in the game. Don't remember if Iowa was up or not but the Minnesota player was diffidently out of bounds.
Multiple times you've mentioned review/replay for this call....it was not video reviewed.
I take back my agreement with Legend. That photo is clear evidence of basket interference.
So what were they watching on the monitors? The officials watched something, and the TV broadcast didn't show what was on the monitor so I suppose they could have been checking flight times or maybe porn. But they changed the call after going to the scorer's table and seemingly watching something on monitors.
My guess is they were watching the play, since they reversed their call, and maybe without a formal "replay."
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