No, we're not going to forget
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Well that’s what the left does when you disagree with them, they simply change the definition of stuff to fit their narrative. Vaccine, antivax, woman, etc.
Well it's not really her, rather what she said in this post that's hard to argue with (or I assume you or someone else would have).
Our Covid response did this:
"January 30, 2023
Dear Iowa Medical Provider:
The organizations listed on the side of this letter are united in efforts to make sure all Iowans get back on track on receiving all the recommended vaccinations and cancer screenings.
The COVID-19 pandemic caused a dramatic decrease in well-child visits and a reduction in administration of routine childhood vaccines. Extra effort will be required to achieve and maintain pre-pandemic levels of vaccine coverage. The percent of children receiving all recommended vaccines by 2 years old has been decreasing since 2018.
An estimated 9.4 million cancer screening tests that normally would have taken place in the U.S. in 2020 didn’t happen, which likely lead to delays in diagnosis and treatment for many."
"January 30, 2023
Dear Iowa Medical Provider:
The organizations listed on the side of this letter are united in efforts to make sure all Iowans get back on track on receiving all the recommended vaccinations and cancer screenings.
The COVID-19 pandemic caused a dramatic decrease in well-child visits and a reduction in administration of routine childhood vaccines. Extra effort will be required to achieve and maintain pre-pandemic levels of vaccine coverage. The percent of children receiving all recommended vaccines by 2 years old has been decreasing since 2018.
An estimated 9.4 million cancer screening tests that normally would have taken place in the U.S. in 2020 didn’t happen, which likely lead to delays in diagnosis and treatment for many."
Yep
And having idiots like yourself bashing vaccines and masking certainly helped out.
No, having idiots like yourself scaring people away from using important medical services is to blame.
The abject irony of your posts in a thread entitled "no we're not going to forget" is simply astounding.
You forgot all about HCWs not being able to keep up with Covid patient loads, supply chains for equipment, medicines and disposables being completely disrupted; shortages of all kinds of things needed for that routine care.
You totally forgot. Or were "gaslit" into mis-remembering how things actually played out.
I didn't forget "overwhelmed" hospitals who fired their HCWs during a pandemic because they chose not to get the shots. When you do that, I don't have time for your crocodile tears over not being able to keep up.
Opinion piece by a med student that is very well said...
www.newsweek.com
It's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID
Intellectual elitism, credentialism, and classism must end. Restoring trust in public health—and our democracy—depends on it.
www.newsweek.com
He's an idiot.Opinion piece by a med student that is very well said...
It's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID
Intellectual elitism, credentialism, and classism must end. Restoring trust in public health—and our democracy—depends on it.
This is EXACTLY what the piece talks about. The dismissive attitudes and elitism that shuts down discussion and promotes a confrontational divide between the average person and the “expert class.”
So, well done JP, you summed up the whole position of the article in 3 words.
...uh...that was Trumpers telling you that your own pee protected you from Covid...
Scientists, and the government, not so much.
Yep
Because the data are heavily biased toward the older population getting the most doses.
And unless you post the data showing they accounted for that, he (and you) are idiots.
Educated people get "dismissive" because folks like yourself get duped into drinking aquarium cleaner, your own pee, and ivermectin for Covid "therapy". Instead of listening to the folks with actual expertise.
If that's "elitism" to you, then do your own "doctoring" at home; don't hire any "experts" for anything. Just wing it.
The "piece" is a giant chunk of garbage. Written by someone pretty uninformed on the topic who is just telling you what you want to hear.
LOL..."very well said"??Opinion piece by a med student that is very well said...
It's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID
Intellectual elitism, credentialism, and classism must end. Restoring trust in public health—and our democracy—depends on it.
...repeatedly overstated the evidence and misled the public about its own views and policies, including on natural vs. artificial immunity...
Here's the subtitle from his link:
Israelis who had an infection were more protected against the Delta coronavirus variant than those who had an already highly effective COVID-19 vaccine
Awesome!!!! They were "more protected". But to get there without the vaccine, millions would have to die. And the article he cites says the same thing - as in:
The study shows the benefits of natural immunity, but “doesn’t take into account what this virus does to the body to get to that point,” says Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington, Seattle. COVID-19 has already killed more than 4 million people worldwide and there are concerns that Delta and other SARS-CoV-2 variants are deadlier than the original virus.
He claims, apparently including himself, that "Most of us did not speak up in support of alternative views". What exactly should the "elites" views and policies have stated? Don't get the vaccine because natural immunity is better? Have "infection parties"? What - exactly - was the alternative to getting vaxxed? He never says. So how - exactly - would he have proposed dealing with people advocating those alternative views?
And then he writes this:
In so doing, we violated the autonomy of those who would be most negatively impacted by our policies: the poor, the working class, small business owners, Blacks and Latinos, and children. These populations were overlooked because they were made invisible to us by their systematic exclusion from the dominant, corporatized media machine that presumed omniscience.
Whut? Hundreds of billions of dollars were allocated to try and mitigate those negative impacts. Policies were put in place to prevent them from being kicked out of their homes and to keep their paychecks coming. All of this was being done as a disease hospitalized and killed tens of thousands of Americans every week. And he wanted us to pause everything for a...what?...discussion? Sit down at a table with representatives from "the poor, the working class, small business owners, Blacks and Latinos, and children" communities to hash out how the response should be tailored to meet all their, sometimes conflicting, needs? Once again, he never says.
We were NOT prepared and we had the absolutely worst possible leadership in place at the same time so what we got was an inevitable mish-mash thrown together on the fly. He claims "hubris" on the part of the experts. BULLSHIT! They were desperate to blunt a pandemic that was - again - hospitalizing and killing tens of thousands of people every week...there were points where those numbers were reached in a single day.
Being critical of that effort is necessary but the Monday-morning quarterbacking is moronic. He is engaging in EXACTLY the behavior he claims was a problem. The criticism should be aimed at looking at what we did and developing actual policies to prepare for the next time...because that's inevitable.
He, finally, admits as much. But not before making himself look rather dumb.
Your "med student", respectfully, has no idea what he's talking about.
You're of course spinning a lot of what he's saying in your rebuttal but that's normal for defensive, close minded people like yourself. It's sad how emotional some of you get about these things, like someone else having an opinion and posting facts to back it up is some kind of personal attack against you.
The whole "natural immunity" vs. the vax argument has intentionally been misconstrued from the start and you're doing it here as well. The vast majority weren't saying it was better to go intentionally get covid instead of the vax, they were saying, "I've already had Covid, why not take this into account before mandating I get the vaccine?". That wasn't just ignored, it was vilified, attacked, and doing so was stupid from the start. That was just one of many.
And rather than have honest important open debate on questions like this, we got responses like yours and Joes. That's the point you're missing here, not whether every point he made was perfect.
No
He is spinning things into a narrative. His claims are dubious, at best - particularly regarding "natural vs artificial" immunity, which are not a thing. As an alleged "physician in training", he should clearly know better.
Vaccine-acquired immunity is pretty much universally preferred to having your naïve immune system exposed to a dangerous virus.
Come on man, that isn't remotely what he was talking about in the article. There were a lot of respected experts asking questions that had nothing to do with ivermectin and bleach who were silenced and in some cases ruined by the thin slice of experts who were government and media approved. There is nothing wrong with admitting some things were handled very poorly, and that some experts who were saying so should not have been attacked as they were. Yes the nutbags should be ignored but it wasn't just the fringe who were attacked.
And, again: vaccines DO improve your immunity over natural exposure.
You get a confirmed, standardized dose when you get a vaccine. When people are exposed to a virus, they get a varying inoculum, which can and will vary their level of immune response. Ergo: being previously exposed is NOT an excuse to still skip getting boosted with a vaccine.
Flu vaccines are recommended annually; Covid is not different in that respect, because it has mutated as well, from the variants most people were originally exposed to.
If his point is this "natural immunity" protects you from the new variants, he is intentionally misleading people. Vaccines are not perfect against the variants, either, but they help in keeping your immune system trained and vigilant.
Then why does he not call out Trump for the misleading information that Trump pushed?
Why does he not call out "America's Frontline Doctors" for pushing useless ivermectin as a therapy, when there was little evidence it did anything? Attacking actual experts, and giving those other charlatans a pass completely undermines his position here.
This is spin. You're intentionally making a disingenuous argument to support your position and you know you're doing it... but you just can't help it. I specifically used this example in my post. It wasn't "vax vs. having your naive immune system exposed" it was "I ALREADY HAD COVID AND RECOVED vs Vax". This type of garbage is the point of the entire article, literally topic by topic yet here we are lol
It is NOT spin.
The new variants circulating are NOT the one people were previously infected with. AND the viral inoculum variances WILL result in varying levels of immunity to new Covid waves.
Vaccines HELP to balance that out, whether you were previously exposed, or not. If he is incapable of conveying this to his audience, then he has an agenda you should probably be concerned about.
You're such an elitist you can't see outside your cultist world view. I'll pray for you.
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