Northern Iowa

[DavenportHawk8]

Ben Jacobsen is at it again. Putting together a nice team. They are not the most athletic team you will see but their past two games their big man has shot the 3 ball very well. Also the kid from IC West is a stud. They have about 9 players who can all play and the kid from ISU is a nice addition. I watched their two games (ASU & OU) and they look pretty decent. Could be a good test for the Hawks in Des Moines.

Glad to see them knock off OU (hated them) tonight. I thought they were gonna choke but they were able to pull it out in OT.

 

[StormHawk42]

I had it chalked up as a loss before the season anyway. Iowa has rarely played well in the Des Moines event since it started.

 

[skydog0784]

I also am chalking this one up as a loss. UNI is tough and will be fighting for another NCAA tourney slot, for sure NIT.

Targeting an NIT bid for IA. Still early though.

 

[NI hawk]

I had it chalked up as a loss before the season anyway. Iowa has rarely played well in the Des Moines event since it started.

You are correct about Iowa rarely playing well in DM. Not only in the Big Four tourney but also when they played Creighton. Still hoping they can get UNI. I watched both games and UNI has been impressive at times. Oklahoma and ASU will both be in the bottom half of their conferences.

 

[IowaNiceHawk]

Ben Jacobsen is at it again. Putting together a nice team. They are not the most athletic team you will see but their past two games their big man has shot the 3 ball very well. Also the kid from IC West is a stud. They have about 9 players who can all play and the kid from ISU is a nice addition. I watched their two games (ASU & OU) and they look pretty decent. Could be a good test for the Hawks in Des Moines.

Glad to see them knock off OU (hated them) tonight. I thought they were gonna choke but they were able to pull it out in OT.

Which again BEGS the question that I've asked for 3-4 years.
Why in the world didn't Fran and staff grab Jeremy Morgan ??
Count that one in the 'Miss' category
GO HAWKS

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Which again BEGS the question that I've asked for 3-4 years.
Why in the world didn't Fran and staff grab Jeremy Morgan ??
Count that one in the 'Miss' category
GO HAWKS

Yeah, didn't he commit to UNI early? The kid is a stud and going to do well in the Valley this year.

I think Iowa can beat UNI this year. Iowa is the more athletic team, the match-up will be Cook vs Carlson though. OU was content with letting him shoot the 3 and he brought them back from 15 down. OU's center just sat back and let him shoot and when he closed out, Carlson went right around him. So its a tough match-up.

I think it will be a good game, but I got the hawks winning by 5-10pts.

 

[IowaNiceHawk]

Yeah, didn't he commit to UNI early? The kid is a stud and going to do well in the Valley this year.

I think Iowa can beat UNI this year. Iowa is the more athletic team, the match-up will be Cook vs Carlson though. OU was content with letting him shoot the 3 and he brought them back from 15 down. OU's center just sat back and let him shoot and when he closed out, Carlson went right around him. So its a tough match-up.

I think it will be a good game, but I got the hawks winning by 5-10pts.

Well, I'm sorry and someone can correct me if wrong, but IOWA NEVER offered
Jeremy, despite the fact that he went to IC West and his Dad was a Hawkeye.
Dumb

 

[skydog0784]

Which again BEGS the question that I've asked for 3-4 years.
Why in the world didn't Fran and staff grab Jeremy Morgan ??
Count that one in the 'Miss' category
GO HAWKS

I believe IA offered Morgan under the condition that he would go to prep school his first year since IA only had one scholarship available at the time for that class and that went to Jok. He then would have received a scholarship and would be a junior now in that scenario. Morgan didn't want to do that. At least that's the story I've heard.

 

[IowaNiceHawk]

I believe IA offered Morgan under the condition that he would go to prep school his first year since IA only had one scholarship available at the time for that class and that went to Jok. He then would have received a scholarship and would be a junior now in that scenario. Morgan didn't want to do that. At least that's the story I've heard.

And I've NEVER heard anything like that before.
IOWA should have and Could have offered Jeremy Morgan.
Oh well, Iowa's loss has certainly been UNIs gain

 

[hawk-i bob]

I believe IA offered Morgan under the condition that he would go to prep school his first year since IA only had one scholarship available at the time for that class and that went to Jok. He then would have received a scholarship and would be a junior now in that scenario. Morgan didn't want to do that. At least that's the story I've heard.

u are correct...in the end both schools did A OK...Iowa got an All-B1G recruit & UNI got an All-MVC recruit...Iowa simply did not have a scholarship for Morgan after offering Jok. One can debate they should have taken Morgan instead...but you can't debate 2nd All-B1G and preseason 1st team All-B1G. Just like I cant debate all-MVC & maybe MVC MVP...

It would have been great to both.

 

[StormHawk42]

And I've NEVER heard anything like that before.
IOWA should have and Could have offered Jeremy Morgan.
Oh well, Iowa's loss has certainly been UNIs gain

It's a wash. We have a probable 1st team B1G player in Jok and they have the MVC MVP. Couldn't have them both.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

UNI is the more fundamentally sound team defensively, and it's not even close.
They have the decided edge in this one against the Hawks, especially with the wins they're getting in the tournament they're currently playing in.

 

[hawk-i bob]

UNI game is a month from now...we got something like 7 games before we play them. So not ready to ordain them with a decided edge....but yes they deserve credit for their wins against ASU & Oklahoma. UNI is one of the most taken for granted schools in the country...I swear some of their opponents look down on them.

Jacobsen is a genius in how he teaches their belly up defense on the shooter.

 

[Auger]

Iowa was looking at if memory serves me correctly E.C. Matthews, Peter Jok and Jeremy Morgan and with only one ship we got Jok. Iowa did pretty good here but this would have been an awesome year to have 3 ships to give. That said Matthews I believe picked Rhode Island over Iowa before Jok commited. I think however if Iowa had additional ships to give they wouldn't have slow played these kids as much and we could have got all three.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Iowa was looking at if memory serves me correctly E.C. Matthews, Peter Jok and Jeremy Morgan and with only one ship we got Jok. Iowa did pretty good here but this would have been an awesome year to have 3 ships to give. That said Matthews I believe picked Rhode Island over Iowa before Jok commited. I think however if Iowa had additional ships to give they wouldn't have slow played these kids as much and we could have got all three.

Pretty sure Matthews was headed his way for a visit to Iowa before he committed to RI...when Fran/Speraw did their gym visit with Jok....saw what they saw and made the offer/Jok committed...Iowa contacted Matthews and thus the visit was cancelled...kid moved on.

As far as Morgan...what affect it had on Morgan I don't know...but there may have been some hurt feelings with Lohaus (dad) when Iowa had not offered his kid at the time UNI did...Fran wanted more time to watch him...cant blame the kid for taking the offer from UNI....cant blame Fran either.

 

[Auger]

Pretty sure Matthews was headed his way for a visit to Iowa before he committed to RI...when Fran/Speraw did their gym visit with Jok....saw what they saw and made the offer/Jok committed...Iowa contacted Matthews and thus the visit was cancelled...kid moved on.

As far as Morgan...what affect it had on Morgan I don't know...but there may have been some hurt feelings with Lohaus (dad) when Iowa had not offered his kid at the time UNI did...Fran wanted more time to watch him...cant blame the kid for taking the offer from UNI....cant blame Fran either.

Correct. The reason I stated if Iowa has more than 1 ship that year I think Iowa gets both and if 3 Iowa gets Jok, Matthews and Morgan.

I remember a lot of people on here split between Jok and Matthews. I was one of them with concerns over Jok's health and I was wrong it turns out. Both were basically the same player and as it turns out will both be competing for All-American status this year as well as NBA draft positions. I think for Fran it boiled down to he decided Jok's health concerns weren't really health concerns and both were technically the same player so he did the right thing and went with the in state kid.

But man oh man what a year to have 2-3 scholarships. Iowa has had some bad luck in its ship per year gambles. In fantasy land Iowa could have a lineup of Williams, Matthews, Jok, Morgan, Cook with Bohannon, Baer, Wagner, Pemsl and Uhl coming off the bench. However in the real world who knows how the ships would have played out in this case and who would even be on the team.

 

[fivecardstud14]

UNI shoots as many three pointers as the Cleveland Cavaliers. Seems like they only shot threes the final 8 minutes & OT.

 

[Auger]

I think Iowa takes UNI this year. If Iowa can come with a defensive game plan to limit UNI's 3's by putting long bodied guys on them on the arc I think Iowa will beat them. UNI lack a post enforcer. Koch just isn't that great down low. Carlson isn't athletic enough and Morgan will be needed on Jok. Cook, Wagner, Uhl, and Pemsl are a exact opposites of Woodbury. Cook more so than anyone. Cook will be a handful he is very aggressive and very athletic. I think Iowa can work them in the paint.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

We may be able to beat UNI this year in a close game, but right now they have better guards than we do, with Morgan, Lohaus (both IC West) and Spencer Haldemann (West. Dubuque), all eastern Iowa kids.

 

[TheHighLife]

This from Auger

"Carlson isn't athletic enough"

Haha. This is hilarious.

 

[And1Hawk]

And I've NEVER heard anything like that before.
IOWA should have and Could have offered Jeremy Morgan.
Oh well, Iowa's loss has certainly been UNIs gain

What part of only 1 scholarship do you not get? We offered Jok and that's also been pretty darn good.

 

[hawk-i bob]

We may be able to beat UNI this year in a close game, but right now they have better guards than we do, with Morgan, Lohaus (both IC West) and Spencer Haldemann (West. Dubuque), all eastern Iowa kids.

forwards don't count?
7 games from now ... I think you'll see a different Iowa team.

 

[Noble Hawk]

This from Auger

"Carlson isn't athletic enough"

Haha. This is hilarious.

Saw that. Oklahoma would beg to differ. BTW did any see that UNIs next 2 games are against Xavier? They play them tomorrow and again next Saturday.

 

[Auger]

Saw that. Oklahoma would beg to differ. BTW did any see that UNIs next 2 games are against Xavier? They play them tomorrow and again next Saturday.

Watched the UNI game haven't seen anything yet to tell me Carlson can bang in the post, out jump athletic aggressive post players. He struggles at rebounding. Carlson is much more comfortable outside the paint.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Both schools made the right call. Morgan is a great all around player but not an alpha scorer. Perfect for UNI.

Iowa needed an alpha scorer. Couldn't have worked out better for either school.

 

[skydog0784]

Auger - Carlson would be making significant contributions to the Hawks and I, along with many others I suspect, would love to have him. He his tough as nails.

Think about it, who would you really rather have on scholarship these last two years - Jones? Ellingson?

 

[And1Hawk]

Auger - Carlson would be making significant contributions to the Hawks and I, along with many others I suspect, would love to have him. He his tough as nails.

Think about it, who would you really rather have on scholarship these last two years - Jones? Ellingson?

There's no proof that Carlson or any others could consistently get it done on a nightly basis in a power 6 league. When you face competition that scouts you and knows your tendencies it's much more difficult than showing up for a game here or there against someone who has no idea who you are. This is not the same Oklahoma team as past seasons with Buddy Hield and company. They will probably finish in the bottom 5 of the Big12 now. Is ASU any good?

The problem with Ellingson is not a matter of if he could be effective, it's a matter of he can be effective on a nightly basis against big time competition. You have to have the speed and athleticism to play both ends at the highest of levels. The joke is Ellingson is probably the type of kid that would thrive at UNI and in the MVC. Look at the difference between Brady against Savannagh St and Seton Hall.

The Jones comparison is unfair because he's been injured big time therefore we will not get to see what he could have done. Let's see Carlson tear both ACLs and then watch him play.

UNI has a good program and players but they do not play in the same sandbox year round that we do. Big difference.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Carlson could compete in the Big Ten. He would be a 4 man but he could compete. His ability to shoot it and also drive is pretty good. He made the "Latin" kid from OU look like an Amateur the other night.

OU had scouted UNI before (they were supposed to play last year in a pre-season tournament) but UNI got upset by Hawaii. Then UNI was in the same bracket at OU in March madness. They have watched him play before, the problem was their big man was lazy on defense. He didn't want to close out or when he did close out, Carlson went right around him. UNI ran the same play at least 5-6 times in a row and carlson either got a dunk/lay-up or a open 3.

 

[Noble Hawk]

Watched the UNI game haven't seen anything yet to tell me Carlson can bang in the post, out jump athletic aggressive post players. He struggles at rebounding. Carlson is much more comfortable outside the paint.

I have watched him play more than just last night. He is fine in the paint. Plays great defense and is always in good position. Your initial post said that he just isn't that athletic which is just ignorant. You said you watched the Oklahoma game. He dominated his man (a 4 star recruit) for the last 8 minutes of that game. For the last 6 minutes everyone on the court knew he was going to get the ball. I would take him over any of Iowas forwards with the exception of Cook.

 

[Noble Hawk]

There's no proof that Carlson or any others could consistently get it done on a nightly basis in a power 6 league. When you face competition that scouts you and knows your tendencies it's much more difficult than showing up for a game here or there against someone who has no idea who you are. This is not the same Oklahoma team as past seasons with Buddy Hield and company. They will probably finish in the bottom 5 of the Big12 now. Is ASU any good?

The problem with Ellingson is not a matter of if he could be effective, it's a matter of he can be effective on a nightly basis against big time competition. You have to have the speed and athleticism to play both ends at the highest of levels. The joke is Ellingson is probably the type of kid that would thrive at UNI and in the MVC. Look at the difference between Brady against Savannagh St and Seton Hall.

The Jones comparison is unfair because he's been injured big time therefore we will not get to see what he could have done. Let's see Carlson tear both ACLs and then watch him play.

UNI has a good program and players but they do not play in the same sandbox year round that we do. Big difference.

Well, 4 of his last 5 games have been against p5 schools. One ranked #9 (a&am), one ranked #20 (Texas), and one getting votes (OU). In those games he has averaged 16.5 points. He will be playing the #11 team twice this week. Maybe that will give you some idea.

As for the giant vs tiny sandbox, you are right. The big 10 is better than the MVC. But considering in the last 2 years plus one week UNI has wins over North Carolina, Iowa, northwestern, Iowa State, Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Arizona State, and Washington State and 2 wins over a Wichita state teams ranked in the top 15, I wouldn't exactly say that they can't compete with the big boys.

 

[TripleCherry]

There's no proof that Carlson or any others could consistently get it done on a nightly basis in a power 6 league. When you face competition that scouts you and knows your tendencies it's much more difficult than showing up for a game here or there against someone who has no idea who you are. This is not the same Oklahoma team as past seasons with Buddy Hield and company. They will probably finish in the bottom 5 of the Big12 now. Is ASU any good?

The problem with Ellingson is not a matter of if he could be effective, it's a matter of he can be effective on a nightly basis against big time competition. You have to have the speed and athleticism to play both ends at the highest of levels. The joke is Ellingson is probably the type of kid that would thrive at UNI and in the MVC. Look at the difference between Brady against Savannagh St and Seton Hall.

The Jones comparison is unfair because he's been injured big time therefore we will not get to see what he could have done. Let's see Carlson tear both ACLs and then watch him play.

UNI has a good program and players but they do not play in the same sandbox year round that we do. Big difference.

Carlson really stood out in that game. Pretty impressive.

 

[hawkeyefan101160]

Which again BEGS the question that I've asked for 3-4 years.
Why in the world didn't Fran and staff grab Jeremy Morgan ??
Count that one in the 'Miss' category
GO HAWKS

Cause Jok is better

 

[hawkeyefan101160]

u are correct...in the end both schools did A OK...Iowa got an All-B1G recruit & UNI got an All-MVC recruit...Iowa simply did not have a scholarship for Morgan after offering Jok. One can debate they should have taken Morgan instead...but you can't debate 2nd All-B1G and preseason 1st team All-B1G. Just like I cant debate all-MVC & maybe MVC MVP...

It would have been great to both.

jok would average 28 a game in the MVC. He scored 30 vs a really good big east team very easily on lots and lots of isos.

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

UNI plays as hard and is as well coached as any team in the country. Period. I really enjoy watching them play every year. They're tied with #11 Xavier at the half right now, 30-30, after leading most of the way. Win or lose, the Panthers always play tough, smart basketball.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

Xavier came back to win by eight.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Tough, hard nosed effort from uni. They played solid defense. xavier is a legit top 15 team.
xavier turned it on early in the second half. uni got down by 14-16, but fought back right to the end.

 

[IowaNiceHawk]

We may be able to beat UNI this year in a close game, but right now they have better guards than we do, with Morgan, Lohaus (both IC West) and Spencer Haldemann (West. Dubuque), all eastern Iowa kids.

And isn't that interesting, 'they have better guards' when BOTH Jeremy Morgan
& Wyatt Lohaus played HS within 2 miles of CHA

 

[DodgerHawki]

Pretty sure Matthews was headed his way for a visit to Iowa before he committed to RI...when Fran/Speraw did their gym visit with Jok....saw what they saw and made the offer/Jok committed...Iowa contacted Matthews and thus the visit was cancelled...kid moved on.

As far as Morgan...what affect it had on Morgan I don't know...but there may have been some hurt feelings with Lohaus (dad) when Iowa had not offered his kid at the time UNI did...Fran wanted more time to watch him...cant blame the kid for taking the offer from UNI....cant blame Fran either.

Iowa didn't have a scholarship to give both Jok and Morgan. Both have turned out to be good college players. Iowa wanted Morgan to go prep school for one year to be in the next class. Can't blame him for not wanting to do that and took the scholly at UNI. Fran made the right choice in getting Jok.

 

[B1GDeal]

FTR... Morgan committed to UNI in June. Jok didn't have an offer from Iowa until like late Sept or early Oct after the staff saw him play and decided his injuries were over and he'd be fine. Morgan was long committed at that time and Iowa never offered. He choose UNI over several MM offers and Iowa State.

 

[hawk-i bob]

And isn't that interesting, 'they have better guards' when BOTH Jeremy Morgan
& Wyatt Lohaus played HS within 2 miles of CHA

ok we get it..you think Morgan & Lohaus are better than Jok & Williams (Bohannon)...distance has nothing to do with it...I suppose you think we should have offered Walli Parks also?

Several posters have replied why Iowa offered Jok instead of Morgan...both have worked out for their schools...why cant you leave it at that?

as far as Lohaus...he has been an OK guard (nothing close to all-MVC)...in his case Iowa 'was' interested...he didn't want to wait & took the UNI offer.