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% of population aged 25+ with a bachelor's degree.

But the “work” of a white collar doesn’t beat down the body as does the work of most blue collar workers. Check out the body of a 50 year old construction worker and compare the “wear and tear” of his body to that of a 50 yr. old accountant/CPA or attorney.
Most elder construction guys are in leadership roles where they sit at a desk or are driving between job sites. I’m an electrician by trade, and I would take trade school over college all day. Not for everyone though, which is good because we have college for the less mechanically inclined. The stigma of a college education as the the pinnacle of post high school success is completely false.
 
...who swallowed The Big Lie hook line and sinker. 😧 So sad.
How does it feel to be part of a political movement that was overwhelmingly rejected? Keep holding on, maybe you can be the last man standing on the Titanic.
 
Most elder construction guys are in leadership roles where they sit at a desk or are driving between job sites. I’m an electrician by trade, and I would take trade school over college all day. Not for everyone though, which is good because we have college for the less mechanically inclined. The stigma of a college education as the the pinnacle of post high school success is completely false.
Most Americans see themselves and their progeny as being more than what they are. A college degree is a sensible and logic extension of this thinking. However, there are many folks out there who are not skilled laborers or college candidates that demean the importance and the accomplishment of a college degree. The politics of college since the 1980’s has really taken a nasty turn. College advocates overrate the importance of a college degree. Folks in the labor market take their non-degree status as a badge of accomplishment.

In their defense, I find it humorous at all the guys who discovered it was necessary to get themselves a MBA degree in order to keep up in the business world. Jeeeeebus keeeeeeerist…. Can you imagine a world without MBAs?
Why didn’t they just get a Masters in art history or Women’s Studies? It would probably served them just as well.
 
How does it feel to be part of a political movement that was overwhelmingly rejected? Keep holding on, maybe you can be the last man standing on the Titanic.
Overwhelmingly rejected? 🤣 You mean the guy that got less than 30% of the vote of the voting age population of our country? That guy? You keep trying so hard, it's kind of fun watching you dance so hard. How does it feel to be part of the crowd that believes in a convicted felon and confirmed sexual abuser ? Does it make you feel dirty?
 
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I didn't mention trade skills. You're still batting 0% on your assumptions. I doubt any point could be made with you if it doesn't fit your existing beliefs.

In my experience, highly successful white collar workers work much longer hours than blue collar workers.
What's funny is that you point to a six figure job as a reason not to go to college and get a degree. You're completely missing the point of going to college. It's to expand your knowledge and learn critical thinking skills. It teaches you to question things and how to navigate other people.

By the way, six figures isn't a great benchmark. The college grads I work with make well over 100k per year one year out of college.
 
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College’s would be a lot better if they would quit promoting and fantasizing the ideology of Che Guevara.
which colleges promote Che Guevara? The answer is none. This is why it's hard to take the anti-college crowd seriously. It
's clear you've never actually studied on a campus yet you formed an opinion on what's taught. Maybe you should have gone to college. It would have taught you to dig into things a bit more.
 
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Of course it’s both sides. You just coincidentally make MAGAs argument. Every time. (Nah, it just seems that way because you're so easy to antagonize. That's a you problem..........:))

You want to claim you didn’t vote for Trump? (I wanted to take a picture of my vote even just to troll people like you, but I figured I'd get in trouble if I had my phone out looking like I was taking pictures of my ballot. Maybe next time......;)) Fine. But your argument that liberals are the reason MAGA voted for a vile idiot is still BS. (It's not the only reason. But they literally told you why many of them did...........it's not their fault you're a stubborn bitter old man)
Btw, again, you're proving my point about liberals being the perfectionist bitchy wife/girlfriend. If it makes you feel better though, the whole relationship between you and Republicans (the husband/boyfriend in this case) is toxic, and yet you're so full of yourselves that you think you're too good to see other people (Independents/moderates/people who don't give two solid pieces of dog sh** about your garbage politics and internet spats....................... ;))


Just to be clear, I didn't vote at all. So, thank you for not including me in your analysis. Lol
I made the 2%! :D
 
“Overwhelmingly rejected”? By whom? Can you define what you mean…or are you just making more noise?

They're just giddy because they actually got the most votes in the Presidential election for just the second time since 1988. I mean, sure, it was only by 1.5%. But to them it feels like a landslide.
 
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In their defense, I find it humorous at all the guys who discovered it was necessary to get themselves a MBA degree in order to keep up in the business world. Jeeeeebus keeeeeeerist…. Can you imagine a world without MBAs?
Why didn’t they just get a Masters in art history or Women’s Studies? It would probably served them just as well.
What's wrong with an MBA?
 
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Most elder construction guys are in leadership roles where they sit at a desk or are driving between job sites. I’m an electrician by trade, and I would take trade school over college all day. Not for everyone though, which is good because we have college for the less mechanically inclined. The stigma of a college education as the the pinnacle of post high school success is completely false.
A debate about college or not is kinda silly. If there is a debate to be had it's simply the value of additional education beyond K-12. College, trade school, community college, certifications, etc are all valuable to people that want to learn and improve themselves. If you are happy with a K-12 education, that's fine too.

Learning on the job is incredibly valuable and you get paid to do it. But, again, you have to apply yourself to do it.

They say knowledge turns over rapidly - in other words what you learn today may not have much value years from now. Learning how to learn is an important part of additional education and training, in any form.
 
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There's nothing wrong with it. He didn't say there was. He pointed out that it isn't a requirement to advance in the business world.
People that rise to the top in this world normally do things above the "requirements". An MBA is an example.
 
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I can never square the two conflicting principles of “anyone can do it” vs. “high pay”.

The reason why plant supervisors, plumbers, doctors and engineers are paid well is because of the scarcity of people who can do it, and put in the work to get there.
 
I can never square the two conflicting principles of “anyone can do it” vs. “high pay”.

The reason why plant supervisors, plumbers, doctors and engineers are paid well is because of the scarcity of people who can do it, and put in the work to get there.
I think you can remove plumbers from that list imo.
 
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Yikes. I said it once, I have a bachelor's and an MBA, I don't consume right wing media, I wasn't crying, and I'm apolitical. I was just pointing out that people can be intelligent and successful without a college degree and that I don't make assumptions about blue collar workers. I guess that was deeply offensive to you.
It wasn't that my man. "Plenty of educated people w/bachelor's degrees that aren't worth much." That kind of thinking drives me nuts. 4 years of college is very valuable in so many different ways, and life is not always about making a ton of money. Getting a degree in a field that interests you and doing what you want w/your life is extremely important, whatever that may be. And a ton of entrepeneur's get Liberal Arts degrees, because they can read and write so well.
 
But yet you took the opportunity to mention that bang college degree holders gave degrees in areas “that don’t mean much”. Again, a rather transactional assessment of what you think a college degree should provide.
A college degree should teach someone to be curious, be able to think critically and independently.
Again, I think you might enjoy Harry Smith’s half hour interview on his experiences as a liberal arts student at a 4 year liberal arts school in the middle of Iowa.
Well said.
 
I have a Master's and I'm a derpasaurus.
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Most people don’t want to be plumbers, which keeps pay high. Well, and a really good union.
My question here (and it replies to all trade craftsmen…..
Folks complain about the cost of skilled workmen….carpenters, plumbers, electricians and the like……these folks always blame “unions” for their expense…..My question…..do these trades people who do not belong to the “union”charge “union rates”?
Plumbers are expensive….as are electricians and carpenters…..I seriously doubt they all are card carrying union dues paying members of their local….but you’d never guess it judging by the $$ they charge…..
Just sayin’……….
 
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My question here (and it replies to all trade craftsmen…..
Folks complain about the cost of skilled workmen….carpenters, plumbers, electricians and the like……these folks always blame “unions” for their expense…..My question…..do these trades people who do not belong to the “union”charge “union rates”?
Plumbers are expensive….as are electricians and carpenters…..I seriously doubt they all are card carrying union dues paying members of their local….but you’d never guess it judging by the $$ they charge…..
Just sayin’……….
Don’t know about Iowa but in KS 100% of the new construction plumbers and and most (or all) service plumbers are non union. I believe some of the big mechanical contractors are union.
 
Don’t know about Iowa but in KS 100% of the new construction plumbers and and most (or all) service plumbers are non union. I believe some of the big mechanical contractors are union.
Florida is a right to work state. There are very few union shops in the construction industry outside of the IBEW.
 
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My question here (and it replies to all trade craftsmen…..
Folks complain about the cost of skilled workmen….carpenters, plumbers, electricians and the like……these folks always blame “unions” for their expense…..My question…..do these trades people who do not belong to the “union”charge “union rates”?
Plumbers are expensive….as are electricians and carpenters…..I seriously doubt they all are card carrying union dues paying members of their local….but you’d never guess it judging by the $$ they charge…..
Just sayin’……….
Well, the point of these right to work laws is so that rank and file can reap all the benefits without paying dues.

Kind of like pretty much all of you who have Saturday and Sunday off, lunch breaks, paid holidays, etc.

Those things are just so entrenched that we think of them as standard.

In the same vain, there’s nothing stopping a non-union plumber from charging half of what his union peers do, but why would ya?
 
Well, the point of these right to work laws is so that rank and file can reap all the benefits without paying dues.

Kind of like pretty much all of you who have Saturday and Sunday off, lunch breaks, paid holidays, etc.

Those things are just so entrenched that we think of them as standard.

In the same vain, there’s nothing stopping a non-union plumber from charging half of what his union peers do, but why would ya?
But then “why” do folks BLAME unions for high costs of services…….and also Beep Beep, not all of US have had weekends and holidays off…..what fairyland do you live in? Many of us workers “eat and run” during the work day….the one thing “a union” does do though (which employers hate) is it makes employers DEFINE the workers job and makes the workplace safer for the folks doing the work. Unions have provided a better workplace for many Americans….but that is not my point here…..Seems that many “anti-union” folks are pretty damn happy to defend their salary/wages by saying that they charge no more than what a union charges….THAT is what I find ironic.
 
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