Most elder construction guys are in leadership roles where they sit at a desk or are driving between job sites. I’m an electrician by trade, and I would take trade school over college all day. Not for everyone though, which is good because we have college for the less mechanically inclined. The stigma of a college education as the the pinnacle of post high school success is completely false.
How does it feel to be part of a political movement that was overwhelmingly rejected? Keep holding on, maybe you can be the last man standing on the Titanic.
Most Americans see themselves and their progeny as being more than what they are. A college degree is a sensible and logic extension of this thinking. However, there are many folks out there who are not skilled laborers or college candidates that demean the importance and the accomplishment of a college degree. The politics of college since the 1980’s has really taken a nasty turn. College advocates overrate the importance of a college degree. Folks in the labor market take their non-degree status as a badge of accomplishment.
“Overwhelmingly rejected”? By whom? Can you define what you mean…or are you just making more noise?
Overwhelmingly rejected? 🤣 You mean the guy that got less than 30% of the vote of the voting age population of our country? That guy? You keep trying so hard, it's kind of fun watching you dance so hard. How does it feel to be part of the crowd that believes in a convicted felon and confirmed sexual abuser ? Does it make you feel dirty?
What's funny is that you point to a six figure job as a reason not to go to college and get a degree. You're completely missing the point of going to college. It's to expand your knowledge and learn critical thinking skills. It teaches you to question things and how to navigate other people.
which colleges promote Che Guevara? The answer is none. This is why it's hard to take the anti-college crowd seriously. It
Of course it’s both sides. You just coincidentally make MAGAs argument. Every time. (Nah, it just seems that way because you're so easy to antagonize. That's a you problem..........)
Btw, again, you're proving my point about liberals being the perfectionist bitchy wife/girlfriend. If it makes you feel better though, the whole relationship between you and Republicans (the husband/boyfriend in this case) is toxic, and yet you're so full of yourselves that you think you're too good to see other people (Independents/moderates/people who don't give two solid pieces of dog sh** about your garbage politics and internet spats.......................You want to claim you didn’t vote for Trump? (I wanted to take a picture of my vote even just to troll people like you, but I figured I'd get in trouble if I had my phone out looking like I was taking pictures of my ballot. Maybe next time......
)I made the 2%!
A debate about college or not is kinda silly. If there is a debate to be had it's simply the value of additional education beyond K-12. College, trade school, community college, certifications, etc are all valuable to people that want to learn and improve themselves. If you are happy with a K-12 education, that's fine too.
There's nothing wrong with it. He didn't say there was. He pointed out that it isn't a requirement to advance in the business world.
People that rise to the top in this world normally do things above the "requirements". An MBA is an example.
It wasn't that my man. "Plenty of educated people w/bachelor's degrees that aren't worth much." That kind of thinking drives me nuts. 4 years of college is very valuable in so many different ways, and life is not always about making a ton of money. Getting a degree in a field that interests you and doing what you want w/your life is extremely important, whatever that may be. And a ton of entrepeneur's get Liberal Arts degrees, because they can read and write so well.
Most people don’t want to be plumbers, which keeps pay high. Well, and a really good union.
My question here (and it replies to all trade craftsmen…..
Don’t know about Iowa but in KS 100% of the new construction plumbers and and most (or all) service plumbers are non union. I believe some of the big mechanical contractors are union.
Florida is a right to work state. There are very few union shops in the construction industry outside of the IBEW.
Well, the point of these right to work laws is so that rank and file can reap all the benefits without paying dues.
But then “why” do folks BLAME unions for high costs of services…….and also Beep Beep, not all of US have had weekends and holidays off…..what fairyland do you live in? Many of us workers “eat and run” during the work day….the one thing “a union” does do though (which employers hate) is it makes employers DEFINE the workers job and makes the workplace safer for the folks doing the work. Unions have provided a better workplace for many Americans….but that is not my point here…..Seems that many “anti-union” folks are pretty damn happy to defend their salary/wages by saying that they charge no more than what a union charges….THAT is what I find ironic.
Interesting that you quoted my response to Bio's unhinged rant, where I pointed out that literally every conclusion he leapt to was wrong. There have been several "critical thinkers" who have also concluded that I view a degree as purely transactional.
I don't believe there is one benchmark that is applicable across the country. In DC or New York, you absolutely need a degree to have even a lower middle class lifestyle. Where I live, six figures provides a very comfortable lifestyle. Hence my original post.
I’m CPA also and my health is no where what it was when I was an administrator of a nursing home walking up and down hallways. The goal is to lose weight or maintain weight this tax season not gain. 5-10 more years is what I’m hoping.
In Mn it is cultural. Lived there. It is not adorable to transition teens. Cant help your sick mind
Define value…if it’s $$ or if it’s better understanding of why things are as they are. Transactional ($$) or Renaissance Man…Did you listen to H Smith’s IPBN interview? The points he makes about a liberal arts education are legit or do you disagree with his premise about life’s work and college degree?
It seems that you're saying it is up to the individual to determine whether a degree has value for him. You sure used a lot of words to say that you agree with me.
No kidding has he not seen the MAGA rallies. Plenty of fat angry aggrieved folks all around.
When I was in HS we once were given a writing assignment where we were asked to state out goals as grown-ups and state what income was needed to accomplish those goals…..I was thinking that $25k was as much as I would ever need…..that was back in about 1964 or so……I swung and missed on that one!
