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For those in the know, how are the younger OL players performing? I see a couple have cracked the 2 deep, which is good. But what of the others, the Paulsen twins, Newborg, etc? Any word on them?

Some say our OLine is thin on depth. I am hoping that some newbies start to shine this camp and solidify the depth! We certainly could have used it last year...
 
I would love it if our O line is "all that" this year. But, why couldn't we run the ball against MSU and Stanford last year if things are looking so good?
 
I would love it if our O line is "all that" this year. But, why couldn't we run the ball against MSU and Stanford last year if things are looking so good?

A few factors ....

1) Injuries ... there's a reason why guys were juggled on the OL in the Rose Bowl.
2) Pass-pro ... the OTs were juggled some through the season. They faced their most talented and most prepared foes on the DL ... and they got exploited accordingly. How does this relate to the running game? It's hard to run the ball when you're off schedule. Furthermore, if they can limit your passing game with an aggressive pass-rush, it also makes it easier to throw run-blitzes at you too. It makes you more one-dimensional and easier to defend.
3) Especially against Stanford, Iowa got caught behind early ... and that forced them to try to pass the ball more. When you're thrown off of what you prepped for so early in the game ... it's much harder to adapt accordingly.
 
This is neither the deepest nor the most talented line we have had here. I have no idea where that thought process is coming from.
The 2 deepest and most talented Iowa OLs that I can think of right off hand are the '02 and '09 units. '02 had literal superstar level talents in Gallery, Steinbach, and Nelson. When guys like Aiello and McMahon are back-ups (both of whom started and played well in '03) - the indication is that there is a high level of talent.

'09 had the likes of Bulaga, Richardson, and Reiff. Of course, Reiff was only a redshirt freshman that season. I'll forever wonder about the "what could have been" had the '09 OL not suffered so many injuries ... particularly in the off-season. IIRC Bulaga, Vandervelde, and Calloway were each nicked up during the off-season ... and we then went on to lose Richardson in the latter part of the season. We had high-quality back-ups like Gettis, Zusevics, and Ferentz ... all guys who would go on to start in '10.

I think that too many Iowa fans are counting chickens too much before they hatch as it relates to our redshirt freshmen and freshmen o-linemen as we enter the 2016 season. Don't get me wrong though ... I am very bullish on the potential of the '16 group. However, I wouldn't wish to hang my hat on hyperbole either.

I think that the Hawks have legit elite talents in the likes of Welsh and Daniels. It's interesting because usually our elite players are our OTs. I think that Render is an awfully solid #6 for us ... he'll play this year. Who else might push Render for the #6 spot? LeGrand might work his way in the convo. It's fascinating that Ward is still on the outside of the depth chart ... I presume he's still an important contributor for us in terms of scout-team and what-not ... however, it's interesting nonetheless because he has seen a bit of prior playing time (including time as a jumbo TE).

If you look at the pattern of prior great Iowa LTs ... a common pattern is that guys who often develop the best are guys who really don't have a ton of high school experience on the OL. I presume that a lot of this deals with the fact that those guys haven't yet acquired as many bad habits and don't have to unlearn as much stuff as others. This pattern includes Gallery, Bulaga, Reiff, and Scherff. I know that Alaric Jackson is another one of those guys who is raw player ... but who has a high ceiling. I don't know about Waechter ... I believe I remember reading that he's played a number of different positions in high school ... and only played on the OL toward the end of his career.

Thus, it would appear that we have some depth ... definitely there are a lot of young guys. Many of whom might yet emerge as high-end contributors. However, at this juncture, we don't have the power of hindsight ... so we don't yet have enough info to anoint any of the inexperienced younger guys.
 
This is neither the deepest nor the most talented line we have had here. I have no idea where that thought process is coming from.
Agree. He's not a very bright individual tho.
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I would love it if our O line is "all that" this year. But, why couldn't we run the ball against MSU and Stanford last year if things are looking so good?

Did Canzeri play against Michigan State? Weren't both their defenses considered to be be Top 10.

No and Yes..........case closed
 
Did Canzeri play against Michigan State? Weren't both their defenses considered to be be Top 10.

No and Yes..........case closed
But we also still had Daniels and Wadley.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that our lack of running game in those games is truly an indictment of our OL. However, your arguments weren't exactly supporting evidence of your original contention either.
 
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Did that group go 12-0 and to the Rose Bowl?

Don't think so........but you're the brainiac, here
The OL doesn't play D ... they can only do their respective job. The '02 group most certainly did that! Iowa's pass D had issues ... and the DL was still pretty "new." Seneca Wallace provided the Hawk D with one of their toughest assignments in terms of containment ... and it ended up contributing to our eventual loss in that game.
 
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The nice thing about this argument is that Iowa has had a lot of excellent OL units under Ferentz. In fairness to IowaNice, there are "experts" who are ranking our current offensive line #1 in the country. And I do think in time Iowa will develop really good depth on the OL. Last, I would add another nice thing about our starting OL is that there is only 1 senior, 3 juniors, and 1 sophomore.
 
With CJB running for his life multiple times per game last year mostly due to terrible pass protection from the tackles, and getting hammered several times, I hope there has been a lot of improvement on that front.
 
With CJB running for his life multiple times per game last year mostly due to terrible pass protection from the tackles, and getting hammered several times, I hope there has been a lot of improvement on that front.

The pass protection last season was frequently shaky at best and something that was clearly stated would be a point of emphasis in the spring and summer practices.

With that said, I would like to point out that last year at this time, when Team CJ vs Team Jake were duking it out for who was the better quarterback option, many so-called voices of reason were claiming the whole debate was moot because of how bad the offensive line was going to be. So, if you keep in mind just how awful Iowa's offensive line was projected to be last year and how much they exceeded expectations, would it be fair to assume or at least hope that improvements have been made in pass protection? I'm hopeful there have been.
 
With CJB running for his life multiple times per game last year mostly due to terrible pass protection from the tackles, and getting hammered several times, I hope there has been a lot of improvement on that front.

One thing to note is that the 2002 OL, which is properly revered as the best Iowa OL of the Ferentz era, was largely comprised of the same guys as to 2000 and 2001 OL. The 2000 OL was bad, and the 2001 OL was good but not great.

The best Iowa O-lines under Ferentz have been the product of continuity, health, talent, and experience. In 2015, the OL did not have continuity or health, and the degree of experience varied dramatically (2 extremely experienced starters in Walsh and Blythe, 2 new and young starters in Myers and Boettger, and Welsh. Then Daniels and Croston get thrown into the mix due to injuries).

It is reasonable to assume that, if this year's OL stays healthy, it will be better than last year because of continuity, health and experience. I do not know whether the top end talent is the same as 2002 and 2009. In part, those O-lines had extremely talented tackle prospects (Gallery, Bulaga, and Reiff), while the greatest pure talent on this year's OL is inside (Welsh and Daniels). I think that the lack of an elite LT is the difference between the perception of those OLs and the perception of the ceiling for this year.
 
A few factors ....

1) Injuries ... there's a reason why guys were juggled on the OL in the Rose Bowl.
2) Pass-pro ... the OTs were juggled some through the season. They faced their most talented and most prepared foes on the DL ... and they got exploited accordingly. How does this relate to the running game? It's hard to run the ball when you're off schedule. Furthermore, if they can limit your passing game with an aggressive pass-rush, it also makes it easier to throw run-blitzes at you too. It makes you more one-dimensional and easier to defend.
3) Especially against Stanford, Iowa got caught behind early ... and that forced them to try to pass the ball more. When you're thrown off of what you prepped for so early in the game ... it's much harder to adapt accordingly.

Injuries are my main concern. We had 3 injured players for the Rose Bowl. Having backups would be huge for this year. Hopefully a few develop and shine this fall. We will probably need someone .
 
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