Ohio State looks like they will contend at NCAAS!
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125 was unimpressive to say the least.
But 197? Wow, he looks like a top 4-5 guy. He was awesome tonight.
But 197? Wow, he looks like a top 4-5 guy. He was awesome tonight.
I get the feeling that Rodriguez (125) is cutting some weight this year. Although not big for the weight, in comparison to his performance in Vegas compared to this, I'd say the weigh time messed with his ability. Seeding will be a big determinant in his team contribution at nationals.
Ceiling is probably 3rd for Kollin Moore.
Pfarr had his way with Moore last weekend in Vegas.
Actually Pfarr looked better than J'Den. But I'm not putting any $ against J'Den in that match.
Fosu has AA's at 133,149,174,197 & Hwt with outside shots at 125 & 184. Martin beat up a turd and 184 is about 12 deep right now. Time will tell if moving up is in his best interest. 2 finalists would be my guess. Still think Oky State is the team to beat. I still Iowa, Oky State and psu are in for a dog fight for the title and fosu is in the 2nd tier.
I will be the 1st to admit that may sound a bit off but 184 is a nightmare of a weight and 1 bad match and you are in a world of hurt. The only thing that is a guarantee at 184 is Dean will win it. Its a safe bet that Nickal AA's also. Brooks is one of my favorite hawks BUT he COULD find himself being eliminated in the rd of 12. Just because Martin won 174 does not mean he is a lock to AA in the toughest weight class in the country. That's all I was saying.
You think the Hawkeyes are in battle for title but not the Buckeyes?
PSU and OK St. are favorites but tOSU not far behind and could finish anywhere from 1-3.
PSU and OK St. are favorites but tOSU not far behind and could finish anywhere from 1-3.
Iowa very well could AA at 125, 133, 149, 157, 165, 174, 184 and Hwt with 3 finalists. Not sure how this doesnt make them as likely as anyone?
I was not overly impressed with fosu in this win. I was more disappointed in Mizzou. Injuries aside, they looked flat and slightly intimidated. Some home cooking by the ref's at key moments didn't help their cause either. It's funny how at the end of the 141 match an escape was not given, but in an almost identical situation at 197 it was. Key things like that seemed to be breaking all night for the home team.(which I guess happens when you are at home and you are the agressor)
At 197 I was disappointed in Cox performance. From the 1st period he was looking to just do enough to win. If you're going to ride a guy early, it's normally intended to wear him down and use that later in the match to run it up. Cox, seemed sit back and relax after the 1st period, content to skate by with the "W".
While I stated that I was not overly impressed with fosu, I say that because I already believed them to be one of the top teams in the nation and a serious title contender. They did what I expected them to do, just disappointed that Mizzou gave very little challenge
At 197 I was disappointed in Cox performance. From the 1st period he was looking to just do enough to win. If you're going to ride a guy early, it's normally intended to wear him down and use that later in the match to run it up. Cox, seemed sit back and relax after the 1st period, content to skate by with the "W".
While I stated that I was not overly impressed with fosu, I say that because I already believed them to be one of the top teams in the nation and a serious title contender. They did what I expected them to do, just disappointed that Mizzou gave very little challenge
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You are correct. I should have included the Hawks in that list - but tOSU is just as likely to win it.
This is what kills me about JC...He does what he has done against world class guys but can only go out and get a 4-0 win against a 30th ranked NCAA guy
The funny thing is, how Cox wrestles Folkstyle is why he transitions so easily into Freestyle. He keeps great position and never forces any positions. Everyone expects a Freestyle medalist to just wreck NCAA competition, but Cox just doesn't have that style. But, in his own way, he dominates nearly every match. He scores the only takedown(since 2014 until last night), accumulates over a minute of RT on EVERYONE and escapes with ease. He just isn't a take 'em down let 'em up guy and he doesn't have a real riding for turns skill set.
Cox's only real weakness has been a mixture of disinterest/conditioning during the regular season(from time to time). He controls the mat as good as anyone at the DI level, he just isn't flashy and his style makes it harder for many to realize how much better he is than nearly all of his competition.
At this point it's just not in his DNA. It would be nice if he'd open up, but don't hold your breath. If he can take down Kyle Dake and the defending Bronze medalist from Iran twice in a match, I have to imagine he can take Moore down more than once if he wanted to.
It really isn't "DNA". It's his style. By opening up, he would be going away from what makes him so good in the first place. He doesn't get taken down because he is patient and maintains great positioning. Nearly all his takedowns come from an opponent trying to force a position or them wearing down. He is very explosive when that position opens up, but he doesn't wrestle the Metcalf, Nolf, Taylor style where you may take him down but he is going to get 5 to your 1!
That is because Freestyle is almost 100% neutral dependent in his case. He doesn't get the nearly free escape point and RT point. Freestyle forces more action on your feet. Still, I wouldn't say his neutral wrestling was that much different. He just pulled the trigger on positions he was 85% on, while in Folk he usually doesn't pull the trigger under 95%.
He doesn't open up. He could and he would score more. He is that much better than his opponents. Not sure what exactly you're disagreeing with here.
Are you saying that if he opened up more he'd lose matches like the Moore one? Watch any time he decides he wants to score he usually does. Just not in his nature to want to score unless he has to.
Are you saying that if he opened up more he'd lose matches like the Moore one? Watch any time he decides he wants to score he usually does. Just not in his nature to want to score unless he has to.
The more you open up, by definition you are changing your positioning and opening yourself up to attacks as well. His style is to stay in that position(what you have defined as not opening up) and explode into a takedown when the right position presents itself or defend/counter into a takedown.
I definitely agree with you that he is talented enough to score more, but my point is it would require him to change the style that got him here in the 1st place.
When he wants to turn it on, nobody stops him. The problem with wrestling like that is it will end up biting you in the ass.
Cox has been making average wrestlers look good during the regular season his whole career... I'd temper the enthusiasm over Moore a bit if you're judging off this match alone.
Ya think. Yeah, we've seen this act before out of Cox. Pretty good comparison to Joe Williams as stated above. They're like a cat pissing with a mouse for a while for entertainment purposes, then when they decide they want to kill it, they just do.
Hand raised, W on the board, on with life.
