Okie State vs Minny...

[MitchL]

Some real exciting wrestling so far by the Gophs.
Started at 141... Minnesota has scored 6, count em 6, match points in the first five matches! All by escapes. Quite the offensive juggernaut they got up there in Dinkytown.

 

[Wrestlerneverdiesasacatfan]

How did they look on the escapes? Good hip position?

 

[Scryed]

The Cowboys are dominating Minnesota tonight. Not a single win so far for the Gophers.

Jake Short has got to be one of the most disappointing recruits in a long time. No offense to the kid, but for being ranked #1 at his weight in HS he has not been able to do much of anything in college.

 

[minnhawkeye]

Not the best offical in my opinion but gophers look bad real bad..

 

[1stplacehawk]

The Cowboys are dominating Minnesota tonight. Not a single win so far for the Gophers.

Jake Short has got to be one of the most disappointing recruits in a long time. No offense to the kid, but for being ranked #1 at his weight in HS he has not been able to do much of anything in college.

Add Bobby Steveson to your all disappointing team.

 

[AFHawk86]

How did they look on the escapes? Good hip position?

Yep, they brought ‘em to the party.

 

[MitchL]

Add Bobby Steveson to your all disappointing team.

??? He was recruited on his own merits. Heard somewhere he was a top 20 recruit.

If Minny is the #6 team in D-1... college wrestling is in more trouble than I thought!

 

[Scryed]

Not the best offical in my opinion but gophers look bad real bad..

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Agreed. Hagery is not a good official. I believe he is out of MO so that is why he probably gets invited to ref at OSU so often. He was absolutely awful at the Penn State/OSU dual last year and wasn't even aware of leg riding rules in college.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

And with that, Jammen jumps off Minnesota’s bandwagon and hops on Big Red’s

 

[1stplacehawk]

Minnesota is bad. They have two good but flawed wrestlers at 125/133 and 141 is a coin flip to AA. That's about it

 

[Scryed]

I wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement on Minny being awful. The Hawks only have Sorenson and Kemmerer as "locks" to AA if they don't pull shirts. Marinelli is a coin flip at this point as is Stoll at heavy. I don't see any other positives in our lineup either outside of these four guys atm..

 

[MitchL]

On the bright side... Lizak wins by one point and Minnesota avoids the shutout!

Younger Steveson realize the shit show he's stepping in to?

 

[MitchL]

I wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement on Minny being awful. The Hawks only have Sorenson and Kemmerer as "locks" to AA if they don't pull shirts. Marinelli is a coin flip at this point as is Stoll at heavy. I don't see any other positives in our lineup either outside of these four guys atm..

It's not that they got smoked... it's HOW they got smoked! OSU got the first td in every, single match. Make no mistake about it... the Gophs have a very good class coming in, but we know one class isn't enough to fix that mess. It's what happens in next years' class that will determine if Eggum was the right guy.

 

[IAChief32]

Plus...the Cowpokes always look sluggish early in the season so that wide margin of score was unreal.

 

[MitchL]

Gophs will improve because you can't get much worse.

But I'm still skeptical about Eggum. He got Lil McKee and younger Steveson because their brothers were already in the program. Now Lee was the big catch to me. But is he the start of out of State recruiting success or was he an aberration?

Minny should always clean up in State... they're the only D-1 program.

Anyway, my prediction from a year ago still stands... Iowa won't lose a dual with the Gophs for the entire career of Gable Steveson.

 

[DirkTang1]

The Cowboys are dominating Minnesota tonight. Not a single win so far for the Gophers.

Jake Short has got to be one of the most disappointing recruits in a long time. No offense to the kid, but for being ranked #1 at his weight in HS he has not been able to do much of anything in college.

The kid has no offense. Looks to score off his opponents shot or mistake. That doesn't usually translate into being a very good college wrestler. But he has been a huge disappointment.

 

[Nahf]

Minnesota guy here. That was brutal. Not here to make excuses for my team, but I'm holding out hope. Especially hoping the coaches really work hard on slide-by defense this week...

Lizak's comeback, for our only win, was really impressive.

 

[CowboyUp61]

Should have been a shutout. Lizak's top game was the only thing saved the Gophers. Picc didn't follow the plan on bottom. I actually think he should have chosen top for the second instead of deferring, ridden him hard, maybe gotten a couple more turns.

 

[DonHawkeye]

I wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement on Minny being awful. The Hawks only have Sorenson and Kemmerer as "locks" to AA if they don't pull shirts. Marinelli is a coin flip at this point as is Stoll at heavy. I don't see any other positives in our lineup either outside of these four guys atm..

If you don't see any other positives in our lineup you are blind.

 

[IAChief32]

Minnesota guy here. That was brutal. Not here to make excuses for my team, but I'm holding out hope. Especially hoping the coaches really work hard on slide-by defense this week...

Lizak's comeback, for our only win, was really impressive.

Picc had the choice and deferred I believe. I think if given the choice with the backpack in the 2nd period, the elite guys should go neutral and hope to gas him. Picc was having his way with him it was a nice win by Lizak but the only wrestler that showed a lot of fight was your 33. Very impressed by him...always a fun guy to watch win or lose.

 

[MitchL]

Read on Gophs forum that Sanders told Lizard to go bottom in second period and got overruled by Eggs. Eggs made the right call, but I'm betting that made for an awkward moment between the coaching staff.
Sanders was a decent wrestler, but maybe coaching isn't his life calling

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Should have been a shutout. Lizak's top game was the only thing saved the Gophers. Picc didn't follow the plan on bottom. I actually think he should have chosen top for the second instead of deferring, ridden him hard, maybe gotten a couple more turns.

A good friend from back over here said the same exact thing last night

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

Minnesota guy here. That was brutal. Not here to make excuses for my team, but I'm holding out hope. Especially hoping the coaches really work hard on slide-by defense this week...

Lizak's comeback, for our only win, was really impressive.

3 Gophers walked into a slide by as soon as they initiated collar ties to start matches. 2 of them got hit with it repeatedly.

Officiating at 184 was horrendous. Still got it wrong when given a chance to review.

That Lizak match really highlighted the bad decision to not choose top in the NCAA finals. Picc needed to lay flat on his face and belly the last minute of the second period. He could afford the stall calls with that lead. At this point I have Lizak as the favorite in March. He turns everybody.

The Gophers will be ok. Barring injury they finish as good or better than last year.

 

[Nahf]

Read on Gophs forum that Sanders told Lizard to go bottom in second period and got overruled by Eggs. Eggs made the right call, but I'm betting that made for an awkward moment between the coaching staff.
Sanders was a decent wrestler, but maybe coaching isn't his life calling

He's a very young coach. It was a learning experience for him to be sure. And yes, he was a decent 4x AA.

 

[crablegs1]

Read on Gophs forum that Sanders told Lizard to go bottom in second period and got overruled by Eggs. Eggs made the right call, but I'm betting that made for an awkward moment between the coaching staff.
Sanders was a decent wrestler, but maybe coaching isn't his life calling

I put that on Eggs, not Sanders, for a couple reasons.

1. It should be clearly defined who is making that call. Is Sanders coaching Lizak since he is the one working with him on a day to day basis? Or, does the choice always come down to what Eggs wants? Either way, that expectation should be set way before the dual starts.
2. Additionally, shouldn't there be a gameplan in place? Is the choice really that questionable? Again, Eggs should have a gameplan that the athlete and assistant coaches know.

 

[MilleGinja]

The Cowboys are dominating Minnesota tonight. Not a single win so far for the Gophers.

Jake Short has got to be one of the most disappointing recruits in a long time. No offense to the kid, but for being ranked #1 at his weight in HS he has not been able to do much of anything in college.

Would you say he came up a little SHORT of his expectations?

 

[MitchL]

I put that on Eggs, not Sanders, for a couple reasons.

1. It should be clearly defined who is making that call. Is Sanders coaching Lizak since he is the one working with him on a day to day basis? Or, does the choice always come down to what Eggs wants? Either way, that expectation should be set way before the dual starts.
2. Additionally, shouldn't there be a gameplan in place? Is the choice really that questionable? Again, Eggs should have a gameplan that the athlete and assistant coaches know.

My exact thoughts on everything you said.
So there are two possible explanations. ..
A. Eggs and Sanders had a plan, but Gophs were looking at a likely shotout, so Eggs wants to avoid an embarrassing score. or
B. Eggs trying to save face and throws Sanders under the bus.
Either way...that staff has done very little with the current roster and looks woefully unprepared under the lights.

 

[MVPFAN]

Picc had the choice and deferred I believe. I think if given the choice with the backpack in the 2nd period, the elite guys should go neutral and hope to gas him. Picc was having his way with him it was a nice win by Lizak but the only wrestler that showed a lot of fight was your 33. Very impressed by him...always a fun guy to watch win or lose.

Picc did defer and that was a stupid mistake. He should have taken it too him from neutral in the second period and built an even bigger lead.

 

[dhm47]

Minnesota is bad. They have two good but flawed wrestlers at 125/133 and 141 is a coin flip to AA. That's about it

Speaking of 125/133, I'm sure it's happened, however I don't recall the last time we go out 0 for 2 at those weights to start a dual.

 

[jammenz]

I wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement on Minny being awful. The Hawks only have Sorenson and Kemmerer as "locks" to AA if they don't pull shirts. Marinelli is a coin flip at this point as is Stoll at heavy. I don't see any other positives in our lineup either outside of these four guys atm..

Hence the rankings:
6 Minnesota
7 Iowa

 

[CowboyUp61]

Hence the rankings:
6 Minnesota
7 Iowa

betcha Minny drops

 

[UndercoverHawk]

Speaking of 125/133, I'm sure it's happened, however I don't recall the last time we go out 0 for 2 at those weights to start a dual.

Buffalo last Friday.

 

[jammenz]

betcha Minny drops

So will Iowa on Jan 14.

 

[PinsNpints]

On another note that new Matt is pretty sweet

 

[Banned On The Run]

Read on Gophs forum that Sanders told Lizard to go bottom in second period and got overruled by Eggs. Eggs made the right call, but I'm betting that made for an awkward moment between the coaching staff.
Sanders was a decent wrestler, but maybe coaching isn't his life calling

Sanders placed higher than Mc D his senior year? Kind of decent. Go fall on your little penis pump

 

[dhm47]

Buffalo last Friday.

That's what I was referring to. Should have been clearer.

 

[Banned On The Run]

3 Gophers walked into a slide by as soon as they initiated collar ties to start matches. 2 of them got hit with it repeatedly.

Officiating at 184 was horrendous. Still got it wrong when given a chance to review.

That Lizak match really highlighted the bad decision to not choose top in the NCAA finals. Picc needed to lay flat on his face and belly the last minute of the second period. He could afford the stall calls with that lead. At this point I have Lizak as the favorite in March. He turns everybody.

The Gophers will be ok. Barring injury they finish as good or better than last year.

Too bad they wasted roster space on kids that got removed from the program. Bad taste in recruiting, but that has been fixed.

 

[MitchL]

Sanders placed higher than Mc D his senior year? Kind of decent. Go fall on your little penis pump

Oh, my...ignorance runs deep with you. !

 

[MitchL]

Too bad they wasted roster space on kids that got removed from the program. Bad taste in recruiting, but that has been fixed.

You mean because they let Lizak and Thorn off with a slap on the wrist?

 

[4girlsanddad]

Too bad they wasted roster space on kids that got removed from the program. Bad taste in recruiting, but that has been fixed.

Shut the fvck up!!