Oklahoma used runway deicer to execute death sentence.

[THE_DEVIL]

An Oklahoma Execution Done Wrong

Autopsy reports show that the state used potassium acetate instead of potassium chloride in the January lethal injection of Charles Warner.

The Oklahoma governor’s office told The Oklahoman that potassium chloride and potassium acetate are medically indistinguishable for their purposes. Capital defense attorneys argue that the mix-up highlights the secrecy problems surrounding the state’s execution procedures. “We cannot trust Oklahoma to get it right or to tell the truth,” said Dale Baich, a federal public defender who helped represent the death-row inmates in Glossip, in a statement. “The execution logs for Charles Warner say that he was administered potassium chloride, but now the State says potassium acetate was used.”

Potassium acetate can be normally used to treat potassium deficiencies, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Another common use for the chemical is deicing airport runways. In 2009, a U.S. Geological Survey study estimated that two-thirds of U.S. airports that deice their runways used potassium acetate to do so. The USGS study also warned that potassium acetate runoff may cause environmental damage and harm nearby aquatic life.

 

[Funky Bunch]

I don't have a problem with this as long as he's really guilty. It was probably an honest mistake.

 

[Joes Place]

An Oklahoma Execution Done Wrong

Autopsy reports show that the state used potassium acetate instead of potassium chloride in the January lethal injection of Charles Warner.

The Oklahoma governor’s office told The Oklahoman that potassium chloride and potassium acetate are medically indistinguishable for their purposes. Capital defense attorneys argue that the mix-up highlights the secrecy problems surrounding the state’s execution procedures. “We cannot trust Oklahoma to get it right or to tell the truth,” said Dale Baich, a federal public defender who helped represent the death-row inmates in Glossip, in a statement. “The execution logs for Charles Warner say that he was administered potassium chloride, but now the State says potassium acetate was used.”

Potassium acetate can be normally used to treat potassium deficiencies, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Another common use for the chemical is deicing airport runways. In 2009, a U.S. Geological Survey study estimated that two-thirds of U.S. airports that deice their runways used potassium acetate to do so. The USGS study also warned that potassium acetate runoff may cause environmental damage and harm nearby aquatic life.

If he died anyway....how do you claim 'they did it wrong'?

 

[Funky Bunch]

I assume it warmed him up a little so the transition to hell wasn't as bad. Or was he born again?

 

[THE_DEVIL]

If he died anyway....how do you claim 'they did it wrong'?

Oklahoma used the wrong drug to execute Charles Warner in January, according to autopsy records obtained by the The Oklahoman on Thursday.

The state uses a three-drug cocktail to execute death-row inmates. First, the sedative midazolam is injected, followed by pancuronium bromide, a paralytic. The third drug, potassium chloride, is then used to stop the heart. But according to the autopsy records, Oklahoma used vials of potassium acetate instead of potassium chloride in Warner’s lethal injection. The state’s execution protocol only allows the use of potassium chloride.

The drug mix-up first came to light when Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin issued a last-minute stay of execution for Richard Glossip on September 30 after corrections officials discovered they had purchased potassium acetate instead of potassium chloride. On October 2, the Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals imposed an indefinite stay on all executions at the request of the state attorney general as investigations proceed.

This is the first known execution in the U.S. to use a wrong lethal-injection drug, according to Robert Dunham, the executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center. “But before today, we had never heard of a state using potassium acetate in an execution, either,” he added. “This is one of the problems with the secrecy procedures that many states now have in place.”

 

[22*43*51]

Did it work?

 

[ghost80]

I don't have a problem with this as long as he's really guilty. It was probably an honest mistake.

If he's guilty I could care less if they used a butter knife to kill him.

 

[lucas80]

If he's guilty I could care less if they used a butter knife to kill him.

If you were to be open to researching capital punishment you'd quickly find studies suggesting that 10-15 percent of all people executed in this country were innocent of the crime they were convicted of. But, I think you aren't open to that. People put to death in this country are overwhelmingly minority, from lower socio-economic backgrounds, and from a few counties in certain states. It is far from a good process in this country as to how we handle capital cases.

 

[ghost80]

If you were to be open to researching capital punishment you'd quickly find studies suggesting that 10-15 percent of all people executed in this country were innocent of the crime they were convicted of. But, I think you aren't open to that. People put to death in this country are overwhelmingly minority, from lower socio-economic backgrounds, and from a few counties in certain states. It is far from a good process in this country as to how we handle capital cases.

You obviously missed my first word so I'll help you out IF

 

[95Hawk]

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[swagsurfer02]

And.......not one shit was given

 

[naturalmwa]

How is it that many people can get incensed about any perceived restriction on the 2nd amendment, but gleefully ignore the 8th.

 

[strummingram]

I dunno why people are surprised when their schools get shot up, or malls, or movie theaters. Their own government murders on a daily basis, at home and abroad. Good for the goose...

 

[lucas80]

You obviously missed my first word so I'll help you out IF

I didn't. Being convicted of something doesn't mean you are guilty. I know you qualified your statement, but, a death penalty has no qualifier. There is a reason that one of the first things county officials do is destroy the evidence from a case when a person is put to death. They do not want any loose ends being pawed over by a legal group.

 

[Gimmered]

An Oklahoma Execution Done Wrong

Autopsy reports show that the state used potassium acetate instead of potassium chloride in the January lethal injection of Charles Warner.

The Oklahoma governor’s office told The Oklahoman that potassium chloride and potassium acetate are medically indistinguishable for their purposes. Capital defense attorneys argue that the mix-up highlights the secrecy problems surrounding the state’s execution procedures. “We cannot trust Oklahoma to get it right or to tell the truth,” said Dale Baich, a federal public defender who helped represent the death-row inmates in Glossip, in a statement. “The execution logs for Charles Warner say that he was administered potassium chloride, but now the State says potassium acetate was used.”

Potassium acetate can be normally used to treat potassium deficiencies, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Another common use for the chemical is deicing airport runways. In 2009, a U.S. Geological Survey study estimated that two-thirds of U.S. airports that deice their runways used potassium acetate to do so. The USGS study also warned that potassium acetate runoff may cause environmental damage and harm nearby aquatic life.

How peaceful of a death do you think the 11 month old baby enjoyed that he raped and murdered?

 

[dbq hawk 32]

I dunno why people are surprised when their schools get shot up, or malls, or movie theaters. Their own government murders on a daily basis, at home and abroad. Good for the goose...

I know, there is a clear correlation between captial punishment and school shootings. That's why Henry VIII's kid was shot in class.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

How peaceful of a death do you think the 11 month old baby enjoyed that he raped and murdered?

So what you are saying is that in order to go eye for an eye we can disregard our laws as a country? That sounds an awful lot like the Sharia law people on HROT are so scared of.

 

[22*43*51]

If you were to be open to researching capital punishment you'd quickly find studies suggesting that 10-15 percent of all people executed in this country were innocent of the crime they were convicted of. But, I think you aren't open to that. People put to death in this country are overwhelmingly minority, from lower socio-economic backgrounds, and from a few counties in certain states. It is far from a good process in this country as to how we handle capital cases.

This is proven inaccurate every time we have this thread.

 

[Gimmered]

So what you are saying is that in order to go eye for an eye we can disregard our laws as a country? That sounds an awful lot like the Sharia law people on HROT are so scared of.

Awe I just have a special disdain for grown men that feel the need to get their rocks off in an infant.
Sounds like you would rather champion their cause. To each his own I guess.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Awe I just have a special disdain for grown men that feel the need to get their rocks off in an infant.
Sounds like you would rather champion their cause. To each his own I guess.

The rule of law? Damn right I will. With out that we have nothing. I fear for the future of our country if we are made up of people who do not believe in our system of laws.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

So what you are saying is that in order to go eye for an eye we can disregard our laws as a country? That sounds an awful lot like the Sharia law people on HROT are so scared of.

I think what he's saying is "who cares?" I don't.

 

[ghost80]

This is proven inaccurate every time we have this thread.

I agree. This is the first thing that popped up when I googled "Percentage of innocent people on death row". Not quite 10-15%...

1. 
   4 percent
   
   ASSOCIATED PRESS.
   More than 4 percent of inmates sentenced to death in the United States are probably innocent, according to a study published Monday that sent shock waves across the anti-death penalty community.Apr 28, 2014.
   
   The four authors reviewed the outcomes of the 7,482 death sentences handed down from 1973 to 2004. Of that group, 117, or 1.6 percent, were exonerated.
   
   But with enough time and resources, the authors concluded that at least 4.1 percent of death row inmates would have been exonerated. In other words, more than 200 other prisoners would have been cleared during those three decades.
   
   They arrived at that number using survival analysis, a statistics tool commonly used in medicine to evaluate the effectiveness of new treatments.

I can live with this number especially when this number would include people who were involved with the crime but weren't the actual triggerman AND the triggerman rolled first to save his neck and fingered them.

Afterall, the jury's instruction is beyond a "reasonable doubt" not 100% certainty.

 

[Lone Clone]

Maybe I missed it, but does any of the material cited or linked in this thread indicate that using the other chemical had any effect? The only reference seems to be that the state says the two substances are identical for the purpose.

If they used a different chemical than the one called for, obviously that's a matter of concern that should be addressed, and perhaps somebody should be held responsible for the error.

But is anybody claiming that using the potassium acetate instead of potassium chloride changed the result? That it made the process more painful, or otherwise more difficult for the murderer?

I'm not asking rhetorically; I am asking to see if I missed something. It seems pretty obvious to me that if the substitution changed anything in the process, it's one hell of a lot more important than if it didn't.

 

[Lone Clone]

If you were to be open to researching capital punishment you'd quickly find studies suggesting that 10-15 percent of all people executed in this country were innocent of the crime they were convicted of. But, I think you aren't open to that. People put to death in this country are overwhelmingly minority, from lower socio-economic backgrounds, and from a few counties in certain states. It is far from a good process in this country as to how we handle capital cases.

I don't think that's correct. I think the figure you cite does not apply to people who are executed, but to people who are convicted of capital crimes -- one hell of a different universe, statistically.

 

[HawkeyeHitman]

Whatever it takes to get the job done.
The guy died too easily. Lethal injection is too humane for murders. This is where Hitler and Pol Pot had some good ideas.

 

[markfromj]

Their own government kills on a daily basis, at home and abroad. Good for the goose...

FIFY.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

I'm going to need someone to spell it out for me and explain why we care, considering the intent and the end result.. And why are the resources being wasted to perform an autopsy?

 

[Todd Lickliter]

If you were to be open to researching capital punishment you'd quickly find studies suggesting that 10-15 percent of all people executed in this country were innocent of the crime they were convicted of. But, I think you aren't open to that. People put to death in this country are overwhelmingly minority, from lower socio-economic backgrounds, and from a few counties in certain states. It is far from a good process in this country as to how we handle capital cases.

What's the argument here? Because some people are wrongly convicted, certain sentences should be prohibited?

What is the limit of the sentence based on this?

 

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[LifelongHawk]

[QUOTE="ghost80, post: 962123, member: 10322
I can live with this number.[/QUOTE]

The 300 + innocent people executed, however, cannot.

What a bunch of cavalier barbarians, hope y'all can maintain your naiveté and not be personally affected by conviction/punishment/execution of innocent people.

 

[22*43*51]

[QUOTE="ghost80, post: 962123, member: 10322
I can live with this number.

The 300 + innocent people executed, however, cannot.

What a bunch of cavalier barbarians, hope y'all can maintain your naiveté and not be personally affected by conviction/punishment/execution of innocent people.[/QUOTE]

 

[Todd Lickliter]

[QUOTE="ghost80, post: 962123, member: 10322
I can live with this number.

The 300 + innocent people executed, however, cannot.

What a bunch of cavalier barbarians, hope y'all can maintain your naiveté and not be personally affected by conviction/punishment/execution of innocent people.[/QUOTE]

agreed. The idea that some innocent people are spending 10 years of their life in prison is tragic. That's why I'm against putting people in prison.

 

[SailorJerryHawk]

One bullet to the dome would do the trick.

 

[DogBoyRy]

How is it that many people can get incensed about any perceived restriction on the 2nd amendment, but gleefully ignore the 8th.

Quick summary - one less maggot around.

 

[naturalmwa]

Quick summary - one less maggot around.

Impressive reasoning skills. We could probably exterminate many more maggots if that's our only concern.

 

[LuckyNed]

If you were to be open to researching capital punishment you'd quickly find studies suggesting that 10-15 percent of all people executed in this country were innocent of the crime they were convicted of. But, I think you aren't open to that. People put to death in this country are overwhelmingly minority, from lower socio-economic backgrounds, and from a few counties in certain states. It is far from a good process in this country as to how we handle capital cases.

Are you saying he was innocent? I doubt you even know what the case was about.

 

[Lone Clone]

[QUOTE="ghost80, post: 962123, member: 10322
I can live with this number.

The 300 + innocent people executed, however, cannot.

What a bunch of cavalier barbarians, hope y'all can maintain your naiveté and not be personally affected by conviction/punishment/execution of innocent people.[/QUOTE]

I question the 300 number.

But your point remains valid. Ideally, just one wrongly executed person is too many.

I have no love for the death penalty. I would not complain if every state did what Iowa has done: Eliminate the death penalty and REALLY MEAN IT when someone gets life without possibility of parole. The problem is that except for some high-profile types, like Sirhan and Manson, "life imprisonment" doesn't mean life in most cases.

 

[LuckyNed]

If you were to be open to researching capital punishment you'd quickly find studies suggesting that 10-15 percent of all people executed in this country were innocent of the crime they were convicted of. But, I think you aren't open to that. People put to death in this country are overwhelmingly minority, from lower socio-economic backgrounds, and from a few counties in certain states. It is far from a good process in this country as to how we handle capital cases.

Less than 1/2 of 1 percent.

 

[Guido Sarducci]

So what you are saying is that in order to go eye for an eye we can disregard our laws as a country? That sounds an awful lot like the Sharia law people on HROT are so scared of.

It says it deviated from the state's execution protocol, not necessarily from an Oklahoma law. I don't know the answer, but is the protocol based on a law? Even if so, don't local, state and government entities deviate from protocols all the time if supplies are unavailable.

 

[longliveCS40]

FYI, it took this dude like an hour to die. Normally takes like a minute. After they injected the runway deicer into his arm he said it felt like acid was burning his whole body.

This dude was scum and I'm not sorry he's dead but this was amateur hour and those responsible should be punished big time.