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Omg..CJFrederick thinking of transferring again?

Ehhhhh...............I disagree.
Well, there's Charlie Jones, pretty much a shit bag, and of course the shit bag plaintiffs. But CJs combination of dishonesty and kind of loafing it over the last several games in which his fragility permitted him to play. CJs up there in the Iowa shit bag hall of fame.
 
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If this was 5 years ago I would think he deserves flak for this decision, but in todays transfer climate it isn't all that surprising. He probably knows he not going to get significant minutes and wants his last season to be where he can guarantee that.
 
If this was 5 years ago I would think he deserves flak for this decision, but in todays transfer climate it isn't all that surprising. He probably knows he not going to get significant minutes and wants his last season to be where he can guarantee that.
I couldn't care less about what he does at Kentucky. My issue with the guy is how he left Iowa. Dude can pound sand.......
 
If this was 5 years ago I would think he deserves flak for this decision, but in todays transfer climate it isn't all that surprising. He probably knows he not going to get significant minutes and wants his last season to be where he can guarantee that.
More people doing bad things doesn't make the bad things right, it just means the society in which they are happening has slouched a few more miles toward Gomorrah.
 
Yes, wasn't looking as a total historical list but Monkey you are over the target. Coker might be the very top of the list. He and Pierre Pierce are probably 1 and 2, in some order.
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I posted here earlier that CJ Fredrick being a rotation player at Kentucky shows how far Coach Cal's program has fallen since the first half of his tenure. CJF played very poorly for UK this year, and I expect he'll go Mid-Major or to a poor P6 program.
He'll go to a quality school. A veteran guy that can shoot the ball and has one year of eligibility will be perfect for a team with a need in that area.
 
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For all we know it's possible......... ;)


Btw, the Marcus Coker that killed a woman is not the same Marcus Coker that played at Iowa. Wasn't sure if that's where you were going......................
He killed a woman? I’m not seeing this anywhere unless you are referring to his interaction with a lady friend while at iowa and laying some pipe.

Oh, regarding CJ, I’m really not going to wish him the best in his transfer to yet another school after he and uncle Rico did what they did to Fran and the program. You don’t do what he did after Fran stood by him and put him on scholarship as soon as he could. If you do, have the balls to don’t lie, be honest and tell Fran the truth.
 
Why on earth would any Iowa fan wish well this particularly deceitful and disloyal shit bag? He lied, and lied and lied to his coaches and teammates for what turns out to have been months during which time he's negotiating a deal with a historically shit bag program currently coached by one of the biggest shit bags in coaching.

 
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Why on earth would any Iowa fan have wish well this particularly deceitful and disloyal shit bag? He lied, and lied and lied to his coaches and teammates for what turns out to have been months during which time he's negotiating a deal with a historically shit bag program currently coached by one of the biggest shit bags in coaching.



Seems like a lot of his teammates not named "McCaffrey" don't buy into your narrative:

Hawkeyes Past & Present who commented on CJ's IG post:

Joe Wieskamp: Let’s go!! Congrats my boy! ❤️
Jack Nunge: Congrats brother✊
Joe Toussanit: yesssirrrr
Tony Perkins: 🖤
Ryan Kriener: So tough bro 🙌 go be great!!!

Hawkeyes Past & Present who "Liked" CJ's IG post:

Tony Perkins
Ahron Ulis
Bakari Evelyn
Ryan Kriener
Sophie Meierr (Kris Murray's GF)
Makenzie Wieskamp (Joe's wife)
Luke Wieskamp
Jack Nunge
Joe Toussaint
Michael Baer
Josh Ogundele
Nicolas Hobbs
 
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Sarr was Kentucky's 7-foot center. Hunter is complaining that UK was shooting 3s instead of working it inside when all they needed was 2 points. Twice.

Why TF would Uncle Joe suggest CJ is the answer to this problem? Joe works in sports radio, so was quite familiar with Oscar Tshiebwe's transfer to UK. Oscar was already there, in Lexington. He transferred mid-season and was sitting out as a redshirt.

Hunter assumed Joe was talking about CJ. But he wasn't.

Let me add that for that season Olivier Sarr shot 44.4% from 3. So it's not like having a 47.4% shooter take the shot would have made a huge difference.

And the 2nd stupid 3 when they only needed 2 was taken by Dontaie Allen, who shot about 40% for the season but in this game had made 6 of 12 threes before missing the last one.

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The thing is this whole narrative took off because the top half of the discussion, which contains ALL the context, is conveniently left out by those who want to push the Uncle Joe orchestrated CJ's transfer narrative.
 
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Why on earth would any Iowa fan have wish well this particularly deceitful and disloyal shit bag? He lied, and lied and lied to his coaches and teammates for what turns out to have been months during which time he's negotiating a deal with a historically shit bag program currently coached by one of the biggest shit bags in coaching.


Some of my best work.
 
Seems like a lot of his teammates not named "McCaffrey" don't buy into your narrative:

Hawkeyes Past & Present who commented on CJ's IG post:

Joe Wieskamp: Let’s go!! Congrats my boy! ❤️
Jack Nunge: Congrats brother✊
Joe Toussanit: yesssirrrr
Tony Perkins: 🖤
Ryan Kriener: So tough bro 🙌 go be great!!!

Hawkeyes Past & Present who "Liked" CJ's IG post:

Tony Perkins
Ahron Ulis
Bakari Evelyn
Ryan Kriener
Sophie Meierr (Kris Murray's GF)
Makenzie Wieskamp (Joe's wife)
Luke Wieskamp
Jack Nunge
Joe Toussaint
Michael Baer
Josh Ogundele
Nicolas Hobbs
It's not a narrative, it is what actually happened. He negotiated through an agent with Kentucky for several weeks and lied about what was going on when asked. Reality.

Not unusual for young teammates to throw a brother some love in a difficult sitch. They haven't yet lived long enough to know shit bags from decent people.

CJ ain't my brother, ain't my teammate and he ain't my friend. And I have been alive a very long time, spend much of my time dealing with shit bags so I can recognize shit bags from a mile away. CJ is a shitbag.
 
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It's not a narrative, it is what actually happened. He negotiated through an agent with Kentucky for several weeks and lied about what was going on when asked. Reality.

Not unusual for young teammates to throw a brother some love in a difficult sitch. They haven't yet lived long enough to know shit bags from decent people.

CJ ain't my brother, ain't by teammate and he ain't my friend. And I have been alive a very long time, spend much of my time dealing with shit bags so I can recognize shit bags from a mile away, CJ is a shitbag.
That’s complete and utter bullshit.
 
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That’s complete and utter bullshit.
Young teammates don’t look out for former teammates? Pretty harsh don’t you think?
Played in college and my former teammates still show the love.

First paragraph is pretty spot on so maybe review your concept of ‘complete’
 
I hate to break it to you but it, that's what happened. Sometimes our heroes prove disappointing.
Back when Fredrick first transferred, when somebody posted over on the Kentucky boards that people here on the Iowa boards were accusing UK of recruiting CJ to come, they were laughed at. The UK fans found that idea preposterous. Ludicrous. Insane. They asked why would Cal, who has always been a defense oriented coach whose teams barely shoot 3 pointers, come after a guy who averaged 7.5 PPG on one of the worst defensive teams in Power 5 basketball?

Here is where UK’s 3pt attempts per game ranks in Division I over the past 6 years:

2018: 346
2019: 345
2020: 349
2021: 272 (increased attempts, ended with record of 9-23, worst in UK history)
2022: 325
2023: 320

And here is where UK’s 3pt defense ranks (opponent’s 3PT%):
2018: 4
2019: 190
2020: 59
2021: 58
2022: 45
2023: 99

CJ’s defensive rating his last year at Iowa was 110.9. That year, the worst defensive rating among players who played significant minutes for the 9-23 UK team was 104.7. (lower is better)

And CJ’s DBPM (defensive box plus/minus) was 0.9. That is worse than any of UK’s *walk-ons* that year, and only one guy on the entire team was worse than 1.2. (higher is better)

I think CJ is a better defender than those numbers suggest, but the fact is the whole Iowa team had very weak defensive numbers because defense was never something Fran emphasized.

So yes, the idea that Cal would come after CJ truly is nuts. And yet here we are, with all the crazy conspiracy theories about Uncle Joe and dirty Cal. Pure character assassination with no actual evidence. For a coach that has consistently played his sons over better teammates the past several years.

In CJ’s final year at Iowa, Keegan Murray’s stats utterly destroyed Connor’s, and yet Connor started all 31 games and averaged almost 5 more minutes per game than Keegan. Per 40 minutes, Connor’s assists beat Keegan’s by a significant margin (6.3 vs 1.2). But Keegan got 11.3 rebounds per 40 to Connor’s 5.5, Keegan averaged 2.8 blocks per 40 to Connor’s 0.1, 1.9 steals per 40 to Connor’s 1.1, 1.4 turnovers per 40 to Connor’s 1.7, and 16.1 points per 40 to Connor’s 5.7.

Connor shot 32% to Keegan’s 51%, 59% from the foul line to Keegan’s 76%

Connor’s offensive rating was 108.2 to Keegan’s 122.1. Connor’s defensive rating (lower is better) was 105.3 to Keegan’s 95.5.

Keegan’s Offense Box Plus/Minus (OBPM) was 4.9 to Connor’s -0.6. That’s NEGATIVE 0.6, and overall BPM was 8.3 to Connor’s 1.9.

And yet Fran started Connor every game and he played 25% more minutes than Keegan. Even though, as we learned after the season, Connor was playing with 2 bad hips and needed double surgery.

And the next year we see pretty much the exact same pattern with Patrick vs. Kris. Kris’s numbers were superior in almost every category, sometimes *vastly* superior, and yet Patrick started 31 games and played 25% more minutes than Kris.

But let’s let Fran play the victim card here, and assume he’s the honest one and CJ is the POS. Makes sense.
 
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Young teammates don’t look out for former teammates? Pretty harsh don’t you think?
Played in college and my former teammates still show the love.

First paragraph is pretty spot on so maybe review your concept of ‘complete’
Yes Margaret, I know you played for Notre Dame. Bakari Evelyn is 26. Ryan Kriener is 25. Joe Wieskamp must be particularly naive - he asked CJ to be a groomsman. Only Iowa teammate in the wedding.
 
Yes Margaret, I know you played for Notre Dame. Bakari Evelyn is 26. Ryan Kriener is 25. Joe Wieskamp must be particularly naive - he asked CJ to be a groomsman. Only Iowa teammate in the wedding.
Odd reply. Good job on knowing the ages I guess? And a former team mate had him as a groomsman....sure got me with that zinger, may only be topped by throwing the 'Margaret' line in there.

For those of us trying to play along, what was the purpose of that response? I tried to figure it out but you must be playing some level of chess that us mortals haven't heard of yet.

I was shocked that Cal let CJF walk on, certainly there was a payoff that went to Cal to allow him on the team.
 
Back when Fredrick first transferred, when somebody posted over on the Kentucky boards that people here on the Iowa boards were accusing UK of recruiting CJ to come, they were laughed at. The UK fans found that idea preposterous. Ludicrous. Insane. They asked why would Cal, who has always been a defense oriented coach whose teams barely shoot 3 pointers, come after a guy who averaged 7.5 PPG on one of the worst defensive teams in Power 5 basketball?

Here is where UK’s 3pt attempts per game ranks in Division I over the past 6 years:

2018: 346
2019: 345
2020: 349
2021: 272 (increased attempts, ended with record of 9-23, worst in UK history)
2022: 325
2023: 320

And here is where UK’s 3pt defense ranks (opponent’s 3PT%):
2018: 4
2019: 190
2020: 59
2021: 58
2022: 45
2023: 99

CJ’s defensive rating his last year at Iowa was 110.9. That year, the worst defensive rating among players who played significant minutes for the 9-23 UK team was 104.7. (lower is better)

And CJ’s DBPM (defensive box plus/minus) was 0.9. That is worse than any of UK’s *walk-ons* that year, and only one guy on the entire team was worse than 1.2. (higher is better)

I think CJ is a better defender than those numbers suggest, but the fact is the whole Iowa team had very weak defensive numbers because defense was never something Fran emphasized.

So yes, the idea that Cal would come after CJ truly is nuts. And yet here we are, with all the crazy conspiracy theories about Uncle Joe and dirty Cal. Pure character assassination with no actual evidence. For a coach that has consistently played his sons over better teammates the past several years.

In CJ’s final year at Iowa, Keegan Murray’s stats utterly destroyed Connor’s, and yet Connor started all 31 games and averaged almost 5 more minutes per game than Keegan. Per 40 minutes, Connor’s assists beat Keegan’s by a significant margin (6.3 vs 1.2). But Keegan got 11.3 rebounds per 40 to Connor’s 5.5, Keegan averaged 2.8 blocks per 40 to Connor’s 0.1, 1.9 steals per 40 to Connor’s 1.1, 1.4 turnovers per 40 to Connor’s 1.7, and 16.1 points per 40 to Connor’s 5.7.

Connor shot 32% to Keegan’s 51%, 59% from the foul line to Keegan’s 76%

Connor’s offensive rating was 108.2 to Keegan’s 122.1. Connor’s defensive rating (lower is better) was 105.3 to Keegan’s 95.5.

Keegan’s Offense Box Plus/Minus (OBPM) was 4.9 to Connor’s -0.6. That’s NEGATIVE 0.6, and overall BPM was 8.3 to Connor’s 1.9.

And yet Fran started Connor every game and he played 25% more minutes than Keegan. Even though, as we learned after the season, Connor was playing with 2 bad hips and needed double surgery.

And the next year we see pretty much the exact same pattern with Patrick vs. Kris. Kris’s numbers were superior in almost every category, sometimes *vastly* superior, and yet Patrick started 31 games and played 25% more minutes than Kris.

But let’s let Fran play the victim card here, and assume he’s the honest one and CJ is the POS. Makes sense.
1. Nothing you said implicates Fran's honesty. All of that may be statistically true but irrelevant. Indeed, you just provided a motive for CJ to negotiate an escape plan.

2. Its a silly argument. CJ was a starter that was expected to play heavy minutes, especially the season for which he transferred. So however much other guys played was not an issue for CJ, who had a permanent green light and was expected to take a lot of shots.

3. All the McCaffery hatred you can muster will not change the facts. I don't know how hard Calipari pursued CJ but I do know how hard CJ, acting through an agent-his uncle-pursued Kentucky. Obviously, Calipari had no problems signing CJ, which is another blow to your McCaffery theory.

4. Finally, when you get to the point of defending players that transfer you are no longer an Iowa fan. You might have once been an Iowa fan and might live long enough to become again an Iowa fan. But when you seek and support people that do things that hurt Iowa athletics you are not a fan. Even the grandiose and tortured logic of the wife beater (I just want to change so she'll be better) doesn't make you a fan, just another schmo trying to justify insidious thinking. So why on earth do you post about Iowa basketball? I suppose, just pure hatred drives permanent hostility to the team. Guessing you were a major Lick complainer and probably were on the fire Dr. Davis bandwagon. Your commentary sounds like an Alford supporter.
 
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