You can start someone like Connor or JBo. You can’t start both of them on the same team. Especially with a Keagan Murray on the bench.Back when Fredrick first transferred, when somebody posted over on the Kentucky boards that people here on the Iowa boards were accusing UK of recruiting CJ to come, they were laughed at. The UK fans found that idea preposterous. Ludicrous. Insane. They asked why would Cal, who has always been a defense oriented coach whose teams barely shoot 3 pointers, come after a guy who averaged 7.5 PPG on one of the worst defensive teams in Power 5 basketball?
Here is where UK’s 3pt attempts per game ranks in Division I over the past 6 years:
2018: 346
2019: 345
2020: 349
2021: 272 (increased attempts, ended with record of 9-23, worst in UK history)
2022: 325
2023: 320
And here is where UK’s 3pt defense ranks (opponent’s 3PT%):
2018: 4
2019: 190
2020: 59
2021: 58
2022: 45
2023: 99
CJ’s defensive rating his last year at Iowa was 110.9. That year, the worst defensive rating among players who played significant minutes for the 9-23 UK team was 104.7. (lower is better)
And CJ’s DBPM (defensive box plus/minus) was 0.9. That is worse than any of UK’s *walk-ons* that year, and only one guy on the entire team was worse than 1.2. (higher is better)
I think CJ is a better defender than those numbers suggest, but the fact is the whole Iowa team had very weak defensive numbers because defense was never something Fran emphasized.
So yes, the idea that Cal would come after CJ truly is nuts. And yet here we are, with all the crazy conspiracy theories about Uncle Joe and dirty Cal. Pure character assassination with no actual evidence. For a coach that has consistently played his sons over better teammates the past several years.
In CJ’s final year at Iowa, Keegan Murray’s stats utterly destroyed Connor’s, and yet Connor started all 31 games and averaged almost 5 more minutes per game than Keegan. Per 40 minutes, Connor’s assists beat Keegan’s by a significant margin (6.3 vs 1.2). But Keegan got 11.3 rebounds per 40 to Connor’s 5.5, Keegan averaged 2.8 blocks per 40 to Connor’s 0.1, 1.9 steals per 40 to Connor’s 1.1, 1.4 turnovers per 40 to Connor’s 1.7, and 16.1 points per 40 to Connor’s 5.7.
Connor shot 32% to Keegan’s 51%, 59% from the foul line to Keegan’s 76%
Connor’s offensive rating was 108.2 to Keegan’s 122.1. Connor’s defensive rating (lower is better) was 105.3 to Keegan’s 95.5.
Keegan’s Offense Box Plus/Minus (OBPM) was 4.9 to Connor’s -0.6. That’s NEGATIVE 0.6, and overall BPM was 8.3 to Connor’s 1.9.
And yet Fran started Connor every game and he played 25% more minutes than Keegan. Even though, as we learned after the season, Connor was playing with 2 bad hips and needed double surgery.
And the next year we see pretty much the exact same pattern with Patrick vs. Kris. Kris’s numbers were superior in almost every category, sometimes *vastly* superior, and yet Patrick started 31 games and played 25% more minutes than Kris.
But let’s let Fran play the victim card here, and assume he’s the honest one and CJ is the POS. Makes sense.
I agree with point four. No one has hurt iowa athletics more than Brian Ferentz since Todd Lickliter. If you are supporting Brian, then you can’t be an Iowa fan. I follow DSD’s logic.1. Nothing you said implicates Fran's honesty. All of that may be statistically true but irrelevant. Indeed, you just provided a motive for CJ to negotiate an escape plan.
2. Its a silly argument. CJ was a starter that was expected to play heavy minutes, especially the season for which he transferred. So however much other guys played was not an issue for CJ, who had a permanent green light and was expected to take a lot of shots.
3. All the McCaffery hatred you can muster will not change the facts. I don't know how hard Calipari pursued CJ but I do know how hard CJ, acting through an agent-his uncle-pursued Kentucky. Obviously, Calipari had no problems signing CJ, which is another blow to your McCaffery theory.
4. Finally, when you get to the point of defending players that transfer you are no longer an Iowa fan. You might have once been an Iowa fan and might live long enough to become again an Iowa fan. But when you seek and support people that do things that hurt Iowa athletics you are not a fan. Even the grandiose and tortured logic of the wife beater (I just want to change so she'll be better) doesn't make you a fan, just another schmo trying to justify insidious thinking. So why on earth do you post about Iowa basketball? I suppose, just pure hatred drives permanent hostility to the team. Guessing you were a major Lick complainer and probably were on the fire Dr. Davis bandwagon. Your commentary sounds like an Alford supporter.
I agree with point four. No one has hurt iowa athletics more than Brian Ferentz since Todd Lickliter. If you are supporting Brian, then you can’t be an Iowa fan. I follow DSD’s logic.
I’d agree with some of this but our current receivers are not even close to what Keagan Johnson was as a recruit. Mota might be the guy with a lot of offers, but not clear where he’d play at all those schools. The door is wide open for any of the freshman to be impact guys and could see it happening.Yeah, he's killed the football program. Iowa's record during BF's tenure is 8-5, 9-4, 10-3, 6-2, 10-4 and 8-5, that's a 73% W/L. Only Hayden's 6 seasons from 82-87 have seen more success, 75% for 'ol John Hayden. So his teunure was seen near historic success on the field. Won 4 out of 5 bowl games, that's the best bowl performance stretch in school history. So it's kind of hard to say he's really damaged the W/L.
Coming off the worst offense Iowa has put on the field since probably Kirk's first year/Hayden's last year we landed the top QB Iowa may have ever recruited, certainly the highest since McGwire, who also turned out poorly and a future NFL TE, when we already had a future NFL TE on the roster that was also recruited during BF's tenure. Indeed, other than what looks like 3 misses in a row at QB, in which two of the three were 4*s, you cannot say Iowa recruiting has been even poor at the skill positions.
The current wide receivers all have comparable or better recruiting profiles than our typical receiver recruits, over 46 seasons. I think you might be exaggerating the injury done to Iowa athletics by Brian Ferentz.
Your initial attempt to flip my usual position was clever, showing a little debater in you, but the flip breaks down on the facts.
I think you are attaching far too much blame to someone that is probably not the proximate cause of those losses. BF didn't miss a throw, miss seeing an open receiver, drop a good throw or miss a block. If you look at the QB performances from those games, I think you'll find a much hotter call on proximate cause. Remember every time Petras missed or missed seeing an open receiver was a failure of execution, not game plan. Every dropped pass, especially in 21, was a failure of execution. Every missed block, blowing up a play or worse, was a failure of execution. The 22 team couldn't execute the basic offense and I think probably couldn't have handled anything more complex. The center didn't know the correct line calls or even the snap count.I’d agree with some of this but our current receivers are not even close to what Keagan Johnson was as a recruit. Mota might be the guy with a lot of offers, but not clear where he’d play at all those schools. The door is wide open for any of the freshman to be impact guys and could see it happening.
I’d say conservatively Brian has cost us six wins the past two seasons. Purdue, Wisconsin and Kentucky in 2021. And Illinois, Iowa State, and Nebraska in 2022. We weren’t beating Michigan twice or Ohio State.
But BF sucks!!! It must be shouted from the mountain top at all times. It doesn’t even have to be a football thread, shout it loud!!!I think you are attaching far too much blame to someone that is probably not the proximate cause of those losses. BF didn't miss a throw, miss seeing an open receiver, drop a good throw or miss a block. If you look at the QB performances from those games, I think you'll find a much hotter call on proximate cause. Remember every time Petras missed or missed seeing an open receiver was a failure of execution, not game plan. Every dropped pass, especially in 21, was a failure of execution. Every missed block, blowing up a play or worse, was a failure of execution. The 22 team couldn't execute the basic offense and I think probably couldn't have handled anything more complex. The center didn't know the correct line calls or even the snap count.
BF is also very constrained by some other factors. The line was very young last year and pretty young the year before. It took a series of mostly just bad luck to create the mess from last year. There are no really bad calls inside the 4.
The worst coaching decision was playing Petras rather than Labas. I would love to see the practice film and at least some idea of what Kirk saw. Especially last season with Petras playing terrible and knowing Padilla was worse still.
On the other hand, the offensive coaching staff has much to prove this year. The line is not inexperienced and a lot of blame lands on their shoulders for the offensive debacles of 21 and 22. The Iowa offense is bringing in what is the most promising QB, well, maybe ever and a super high ranked future NFL TE, with another on the roster and a good stable of Big Ten backs, including one that I think is going for about 1200 + yards this season.
This team should, and I'm betting they will, score nearly twice as many points as 2022.
All you’ve done in this thread is rip on a kid for transferring from Iowa. Maybe that’s your definition of celebrating something good for iowa. 🤷♂️But BF sucks!!! It must be shouted from the mountain top at all times. It doesn’t even have to be a football thread, shout it loud!!!
See a positive thread or celebrating something good for Iowa? Perfect spot for a ‘BF sucks’ or ‘BF should give his salary to PP and Levar’
Doing this constantly will definitely lead to a change!!!
Yea. As you said the problem was standing pat last offseason at quarterback. They even had an open scholarship with Hogan leaving. And we didn’t do anything.I think you are attaching far too much blame to someone that is probably not the proximate cause of those losses. BF didn't miss a throw, miss seeing an open receiver, drop a good throw or miss a block. If you look at the QB performances from those games, I think you'll find a much hotter call on proximate cause. Remember every time Petras missed or missed seeing an open receiver was a failure of execution, not game plan. Every dropped pass, especially in 21, was a failure of execution. Every missed block, blowing up a play or worse, was a failure of execution. The 22 team couldn't execute the basic offense and I think probably couldn't have handled anything more complex. The center didn't know the correct line calls or even the snap count.
BF is also very constrained by some other factors. The line was very young last year and pretty young the year before. It took a series of mostly just bad luck to create the mess from last year. There are no really bad calls inside the 4.
The worst coaching decision was playing Petras rather than Labas. I would love to see the practice film and at least some idea of what Kirk saw. Especially last season with Petras playing terrible and knowing Padilla was worse still.
On the other hand, the offensive coaching staff has much to prove this year. The line is not inexperienced and a lot of blame lands on their shoulders for the offensive debacles of 21 and 22. The Iowa offense is bringing in what is the most promising QB, well, maybe ever and a super high ranked future NFL TE, with another on the roster and a good stable of Big Ten backs, including one that I think is going for about 1200 + yards this season.
This team should, and I'm betting they will, score nearly twice as many points as 2022.
Your argument crashed--to f*#king splinters--on BF costing the 2021 Purdue game. Well, at least according to David Bell, anyway.I’d agree with some of this but our current receivers are not even close to what Keagan Johnson was as a recruit. Mota might be the guy with a lot of offers, but not clear where he’d play at all those schools. The door is wide open for any of the freshman to be impact guys and could see it happening.
I’d say conservatively Brian has cost us six wins the past two seasons. Purdue, Wisconsin and Kentucky in 2021. And Illinois, Iowa State, and Nebraska in 2022. We weren’t beating Michigan twice or Ohio State.
Actually it reinforces my point. Thanks for bringing that to light! Purdue scored 24 points. TWENTY FOUR. The defense didn’t give up 50 points. With an average offense we win that ball game. But people like you that expect our defense to throw shutouts every week, well they aren’t realistic.Your argument crashed--to f*#king splinters--on BF costing the 2021 Purdue game. Well, at least according to David Bell, anyway.
Purdue could have scored 50. Still surprised they didn't. We win that ball game? Did you watch it?Actually it reinforces my point. Thanks for bringing that to light! Purdue scored 24 points. TWENTY FOUR. The defense didn’t give up 50 points. With an average offense we win that ball game. But people like you that expect our defense to throw shutouts every week, well they aren’t realistic.
Haha. When is the last time someone actually scored 50 on this defense?!?!? I was there. Left at the end of the third quarter with a lot of fans.Purdue could have scored 50. Still surprised they didn't. We win that ball game? Did you watch it?
O$U, 2022, 54-10Haha. When is the last time someone actually scored 50 on this defense?!?!? I was there. Left at the end of the third quarter with a lot of fans.
Hahaha. Absolutely not. I was there. I bet you are the type of person that gives the offense credit in that game for Joe Evan’s strip six against CJ Stroud! 😊O$U, 2022, 54-10
You probably should review that comment for accuracy.All you’ve done in this thread is rip on a kid for transferring from Iowa. Maybe that’s your definition of celebrating something good for iowa. 🤷♂️
I will call out Brian Ferentz all day because he has absolutely earned it and deserves more flack than he gets. I’m not going to rip on a kid for getting hurt or leaving iowa. 🤷♂️You probably should review that comment for accuracy.
Commented on his inability to stay healthy? Certainly did, it’s a fact so I can stand on that one.
Commented on how he handled his transfer from Iowa? Certainly did, fairly established time line and process on that one so I feel confident on that as well.
Mocked people who bring BF onto a hoops forum? That I did, those posters have earned that.
So enlighten me on how I ripped the kid. I didn’t wish him ill will or bad things.
When you can’t do that please evaluate your own posts and see where you are bringing unnecessary negativity to forums.
Or just avoid responding when you don’t have a clue.
So you're saying the score wasn't 54-10?Hahaha. Absolutely not. I was there. I bet you are the type of person that gives the offense credit in that game for Joe Evan’s strip six against CJ Stroud! 😊
I’m saying our defense didn’t give up 50 points. Look at what I wrote. I can just see you and Brian Ferentz in front of the offense after Josh Jackson had his two picks sixes against Wisconsin in 2017 and Iowa lost 38-14. “Well guys we only had 66 yards of offense but at least WE scored two touchdowns!” 😊So you're saying the score wasn't 54-10?
Nor did I. Pointing out that he is oft injured is pointing out the facts of his situation.I will call out Brian Ferentz all day because he has absolutely earned it and deserves more flack than he gets. I’m not going to rip on a kid for getting hurt or leaving iowa. 🤷♂️
There isn't any evidence that anyone showed interest in Iowa. Petras was the KF QB and bosses tend to get their way more than subordinates.Yea. As you said the problem was standing pat last offseason at quarterback. They even had an open scholarship with Hogan leaving. And we didn’t do anything.
You just made my point. Thanks!I’m saying our defense didn’t give up 50 points. Look at what I wrote. I can just see you and Brian Ferentz in front of the offense after Josh Jackson had his two picks sixes against Wisconsin in 2017 and Iowa lost 38-14. “Well guys we only had 66 yards of offense but at least WE scored two touchdowns!” 😊
If the point is we have the worst offense in the modern history of the big ten, and made no coaching changes, then yes. Absolutely!!! 😊You just made my point. Thanks!
Speaking of "coker"...does DJK make that list?Yes, wasn't looking as a total historical list but Monkey you are over the target. Coker might be the very top of the list. He and Pierre Pierce are probably 1 and 2, in some order.
God no. DJK just did silly shit and his mouth/social media kept rubbing at the coaches. The coaches like to avoid locker-room bulletin board words the importance of which might be missed by a teenager or other college boy. But nothing that showed a psychotic or deeply antisocial disorder.Speaking of "coker"...does DJK make that list?