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Opinion Americans prefer Trump on immigration. Just not his actual policies.

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Americans overwhelmingly trust Donald Trump more than President Biden on immigration, polls show. This might be unsurprising, since the southern border is overwhelmed and Trump has made immigration the centerpiece of all his presidential campaigns.

But it’s also kind of astonishing. Most of what Trump actually plans to do about immigration in a second term is unpopular.

Myths and misinformation about immigrants (whether legal or undocumented) abound, including whether they’re more likely to commit crimes (they’re not). Or whether immigrants hurt the economy (they don’t; they are net-positive contributors to the economy and federal budgets). Such misunderstandings are one reason I write about immigration: If Americans had better information, they might be more likely to see immigration’s benefits for America’s finances, national security and moral standing in the world.



But even I recognize that’s a tall order. Voters are busy; learning the ins and outs of the immigration system requires bandwidth most people lack. You know what should be an easier lift for those of us in the media, though? Simply telling Americans what Trump’s immigration policies are, and then asking them to evaluate whether those policies match the views Americans already hold.


We already have a good sense of Trump’s likely immigration agenda from recent speeches, previous administration actions and Project 2025 documents (co-written by Trump aides and widely viewed as the policy playbook for a second Trump term). On lots of major policies, polling is not in his favor. For example:
1. Terminating legal status for so-called dreamers.

Polling shows that most Americans — even most Republicans and Trump supporters! — believe undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children should be allowed to remain here and apply for permanent legal status.


Trump has sometimes said that he has a “great heart” for these particular immigrants, nicknamed “dreamers.” But always pay more attention to what politicians do than to what they say.
As president, Trump repeatedly tried to end the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which temporarily shields dreamers from deportation and allows them to work. His efforts were stopped by the Supreme Court — before his final high-court nominee, Amy Coney Barrett, was confirmed. DACA is expected to return to the Supreme Court soon.

In the meantime, Trump in a second term would effectively end the program administratively, by prohibiting government employees from reviewing and processing renewal applications, according to Project 2025.

2. Family separations.
The Trump administration program systematically took asylum-seeking children from their parents, with no tracking process that would allow them to be reunited. The policy was widely condemned, even by members of his own party.


In fact, it was historically unpopular, faring worse in polls than any major bill of the past 30 years, as George Washington University professor Chris Warshaw has shown.

Even today, our country has not made all these families whole, and the moral stain remains. Nonetheless, Trump has recently defended the policy and refuses to rule out reviving it.

3. Militarized mass-detention camps.
Trump wants to deploy the military to round up migrants and place them in detention camps and has publicly pledged to use the Alien Enemies Act for this purpose. This wartime measure, part of the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, was previously invoked for mass imprisonment of Japanese Americans and Japanese nationals during World War II.
One recent survey addressed a version of this policy (Agree/disagree: “Illegal immigrants should be arrested and put in detention camps while awaiting deportation hearings”). Respondents were divided, with neither “agree” nor “disagree” claiming a majority. This question wording left out some important details of the design, so perhaps more specific language would be useful in assessing levels of support (or moral revulsion).


 
The Don is so invested in controlling illegal immigration he stopped legislation that had support of both sides in Congress.

Detention camps, family separation - apparently that's how people plan to get things done in the country.

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Americans overwhelmingly trust Donald Trump more than President Biden on immigration, polls show. This might be unsurprising, since the southern border is overwhelmed and Trump has made immigration the centerpiece of all his presidential campaigns.

But it’s also kind of astonishing. Most of what Trump actually plans to do about immigration in a second term is unpopular.

Myths and misinformation about immigrants (whether legal or undocumented) abound, including whether they’re more likely to commit crimes (they’re not). Or whether immigrants hurt the economy (they don’t; they are net-positive contributors to the economy and federal budgets). Such misunderstandings are one reason I write about immigration: If Americans had better information, they might be more likely to see immigration’s benefits for America’s finances, national security and moral standing in the world.



But even I recognize that’s a tall order. Voters are busy; learning the ins and outs of the immigration system requires bandwidth most people lack. You know what should be an easier lift for those of us in the media, though? Simply telling Americans what Trump’s immigration policies are, and then asking them to evaluate whether those policies match the views Americans already hold.


We already have a good sense of Trump’s likely immigration agenda from recent speeches, previous administration actions and Project 2025 documents (co-written by Trump aides and widely viewed as the policy playbook for a second Trump term). On lots of major policies, polling is not in his favor. For example:
1. Terminating legal status for so-called dreamers.

Polling shows that most Americans — even most Republicans and Trump supporters! — believe undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children should be allowed to remain here and apply for permanent legal status.


Trump has sometimes said that he has a “great heart” for these particular immigrants, nicknamed “dreamers.” But always pay more attention to what politicians do than to what they say.
As president, Trump repeatedly tried to end the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which temporarily shields dreamers from deportation and allows them to work. His efforts were stopped by the Supreme Court — before his final high-court nominee, Amy Coney Barrett, was confirmed. DACA is expected to return to the Supreme Court soon.

In the meantime, Trump in a second term would effectively end the program administratively, by prohibiting government employees from reviewing and processing renewal applications, according to Project 2025.

2. Family separations.
The Trump administration program systematically took asylum-seeking children from their parents, with no tracking process that would allow them to be reunited. The policy was widely condemned, even by members of his own party.


In fact, it was historically unpopular, faring worse in polls than any major bill of the past 30 years, as George Washington University professor Chris Warshaw has shown.

Even today, our country has not made all these families whole, and the moral stain remains. Nonetheless, Trump has recently defended the policy and refuses to rule out reviving it.

3. Militarized mass-detention camps.
Trump wants to deploy the military to round up migrants and place them in detention camps and has publicly pledged to use the Alien Enemies Act for this purpose. This wartime measure, part of the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, was previously invoked for mass imprisonment of Japanese Americans and Japanese nationals during World War II.
One recent survey addressed a version of this policy (Agree/disagree: “Illegal immigrants should be arrested and put in detention camps while awaiting deportation hearings”). Respondents were divided, with neither “agree” nor “disagree” claiming a majority. This question wording left out some important details of the design, so perhaps more specific language would be useful in assessing levels of support (or moral revulsion).


Compare every one of them to:

Give a court date to return to hearing 8 years from now and give free ticket to travel anywhere an illegal wants in the country. Especially sanctuary cities where they can commit as many felonies as they want with no recourse.

I bet if you hold those three policies up to that Biden one, it comes in fourth place.
 
As president, Trump repeatedly tried to end the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which temporarily shields dreamers from deportation and allows them to work. His efforts were stopped by the Supreme Court — before his final high-court nominee, Amy Coney Barrett, was confirmed. DACA is expected to return to the Supreme Court soon.
I recently heard that Barrett and Sotomayor are getting along well. Not that they always agree, by any means, but they talk things over and look for common ground.

I'd like to think that could lead to Barrett not being a knee-jerk vote for whatever Trump wants.
 
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I recently heard that Barrett and Sotomayor are getting along well. Not that they always agree, by any means, but they talk things over and look for common ground.

I'd like to think that could lead to Barrett not being a knee-jerk vote for whatever Trump wants.
I've heard about that too. They have become friends. Kind of like Ginsberg and Scalia, I guess:

 
I recently heard that Barrett and Sotomayor are getting along well. Not that they always agree, by any means, but they talk things over and look for common ground.

I'd like to think that could lead J

Barrett may evolve into a reasonable Justice ala O'Conner. Does this mean sanity can exist in the Right world?

Too early to get optomistic.
 
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