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Opinion Biden shouldn’t be as unpopular as Trump — but he is

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Throughout Donald Trump’s tenure in office, polls showed he was one of the most unpopular presidents in recent history. That made sense — Trump was bad at governing and seemed almost as if he were trying to be disliked. But for almost two years now, Joe Biden has been just as unpopular as Trump was, and at times even more so. That’s not necessarily bad for the Democrats. But it’s bad for democracy.


The numbers behind Biden’s unpopularity are easy to understand. Like Trump, he has almost universal support within his own party, virtually none from the opposite party and terrible numbers among independents. Biden’s approval with Democrats is 84 percent, according to Gallup polling, similar to Trump’s 87 percent from Republicans midway through this third year in office. Biden is at 33 percent approval among independents, same as Trump in May 2019. (In contrast, Bill Clinton was at 56 percent with independents halfway through his third year, George W. Bush at 62, Barack Obama at 46. Bush’s numbers were very high in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.)

Biden has a 4 percent approval rating among Republicans. That’s much worse than Clinton (20 percent) and Obama (16 percent) but not unlike Trump’s 8 percent among Democrats.


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What’s harder to understand is why Biden is so unpopular. There are some obvious reasons that he is not loved. Inflation is unusually high. Negative partisanship has grown substantially since Clinton’s tenure — it’s not clear any president could have 20 percent approval from people in the opposite party. The president’s centrist, bipartisan approach likely ensures a bloc of younger and more progressive Democrats won’t be thrilled with him. Voters in Britain, Canada, France and numerous other countries are also dissatisfied with their leaders, according to polls, so perhaps it’s almost impossible to be a popular politician in 2023.

Finally, even though Biden defeated Trump and Hillary Clinton didn’t, Biden is in many ways similar to Clinton, who was also never very popular. Both are skilled at behind-the-scenes governing and appealing to older stalwart Democratic voters on the campaign trail but struggle to connect with younger and less engaged voters.


But I’m not sure that all adds up to Biden being as unpopular as Trump. The president is not perfect. But he has hired competent advisers, successfully managed crises such as the potential debt default, enacted legislation that polls well with the public, reached deals with the opposite party, made smart decisions on foreign policy, and acted with dignity and grace.



It’s striking that Biden, who makes a great effort to reach out to Republicans — both lawmakers and voters — is so hated by them, significantly more than Obama was. Fox News and other factors driving partisan polarization existed during Obama’s presidency. And unlike Trump, Biden does not talk or make policy as if he were president of only half the country. (Biden, of course, sometimes is quite partisan and harsh. Two years ago, he, appropriately in my view, likened a Georgia voting law to “Jim Crow 2.0,” infuriating conservatives so much that they still regularly complain about this remark.)

Nor is it obvious why independents aren’t responding favorably to Biden’s numerous bipartisan deals. After all, some governors are quite popular. And they tend to be Biden-ish moderates, such as Republican Phil Scott of Vermont (81 percent approval according to Morning Consult) and Democrat Andy Beshear of Kentucky (60 percent).
If I told you in June 2020 that in June 2023 businesses would be totally reopened as if the pandemic had never happened, that unemployment would be low, Black unemployment its lowest-ever, and that major climate change and infrastructure laws had passed, I think you would have been very surprised to learn that Biden’s approval ratings would be virtually the same as Trump’s.



You might argue approval ratings don’t matter. And in some important ways, they don’t. Biden has been able to get a lot of legislation enacted. The Democrats did better in last November’s midterm elections than any party in control of the White House since 2002. And Biden will be the clear favorite if Trump wins the GOP nomination, as seems likely right now.
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But Biden’s dismal numbers are worrisome for four reasons. First and most important, the United States desperately needs models of effective leadership that can be emulated. We are in a time of deep distrust of leaders and institutions, from the government to the police to churches. I don’t agree with everything the president does, but if we had more people in charge mirroring Biden’s calm, optimistic, inclusive style, the country would be much better off.

 
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But other leaders in our society aren’t going to emulate Biden as long as we keep getting weekly data (the approval ratings) suggesting most Americans don’t like him. We have data on presidential approval stretching back decades. It’s an objective, long-standing measure of how Americans view their leaders. So far, the lesson of the past seven years is whether you send hateful tweets every day or try to be conciliatory almost all of the time, 40 percent of Americans will like you and the rest won’t. That’s not good.



Second, Biden’s unpopularity makes it hard to figure out exactly what Americans are looking for in terms of policy. I would prefer a more left-leaning president, such as Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) or Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) But I assumed someone with a more centrist vision would at least be more popular with voters than those two progressives or a fairly right-wing conservative like Trump. Watching Biden focus on noncontroversial economic policies such as increasing infrastructure spending and still be unpopular suggests there is no clear policy model to appeal to a wide bloc of voters.
Democratic candidates did well in last year’s elections by keeping their distance from Biden and his agenda while attacking Republican candidates for being too conservative. Those were effective political tactics, but they didn’t give those who were elected a clear policy mandate from the public.
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Third, it’s hard for a president to lead the country if he is so unpopular. If Biden’s poll numbers were reversed (55 percent approval, 41 percent disapproval), I suspect congressional Republicans would have been less eager to create a debt ceiling crisis. And even if they adopted that posture, business leaders, the news media and other institutions would have been more willing to embrace Biden’s position instead of trying to stay neutral. Back in the 1990s, Clinton’s high approval numbers were regularly invoked as an indication that voters did not want him removed from office because of his affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.


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This question of leadership would become even more important if there were a national crisis. In 2020, it was probably good the president was unpopular and people were used to ignoring him, because Trump was giving inaccurate medical advice in the middle of a deadly pandemic. But when states battled one another over protective gear back then, they showed the problem with having no real national leadership. I would hope in a crisis today that governors and others would take cues from Biden, who would lead in a mature way. But presidents with 40 percent approval ratings tend to be opposed or ignored.
Finally, Biden being so unpopular means that Democrats could lose the presidency to an anti-democratic candidate such as Trump or Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida. Biden would be the favorite against either, but narrowly. He is effectively tied in polls against both. Democrats didn’t do that well last November — they lost the popular vote in the House for the first time since 2016. Biden’s unpopularity is a key driver of the Democrats’ unsteady electoral standing.
Biden has been the kind of president that I thought Americans wanted. But voters aren’t really rewarding him for that. That’s disappointing. A nation that regards Biden and Trump as similarly flawed politicians is one that is going to wind up with more Trump-style leaders who are cruel and corrupt — and not good at governing either.
 
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The bar was low, but biden ran head first into it and fell over like he was riding a bicycle.
 
Tribalism pushed by the media is causing this. As a result, the only people who are independents tend to be "both siders" who like to pretend they are smarter than everyone else and just hate both parties. As a result, it doesn't matter who is in office, they are going to say they are unhappy. It really does make polls pretty uninformative about how someone is governing though. A better metric would be economic reports and which foreign countries are supportive of us or pissed off at us. Unfortunately, evidently those things no longer matter when it comes to how most people vote.
 
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Joe Biden will celebrate his 81st birthday in November.
At his age he has become prone to physical, mental and
verbal gaffes. The press gives pictures of these incidents
on our TV screens and Internet screens.

Bottom Line: Joe Biden does not have the confidence of
the American citizens for another term.
 
Throughout Donald Trump’s tenure in office, polls showed he was one of the most unpopular presidents in recent history. That made sense — Trump was bad at governing and seemed almost as if he were trying to be disliked. But for almost two years now, Joe Biden has been just as unpopular as Trump was, and at times even more so. That’s not necessarily bad for the Democrats. But it’s bad for democracy.


The numbers behind Biden’s unpopularity are easy to understand. Like Trump, he has almost universal support within his own party, virtually none from the opposite party and terrible numbers among independents. Biden’s approval with Democrats is 84 percent, according to Gallup polling, similar to Trump’s 87 percent from Republicans midway through this third year in office. Biden is at 33 percent approval among independents, same as Trump in May 2019. (In contrast, Bill Clinton was at 56 percent with independents halfway through his third year, George W. Bush at 62, Barack Obama at 46. Bush’s numbers were very high in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.)

Biden has a 4 percent approval rating among Republicans. That’s much worse than Clinton (20 percent) and Obama (16 percent) but not unlike Trump’s 8 percent among Democrats.


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What’s harder to understand is why Biden is so unpopular. There are some obvious reasons that he is not loved. Inflation is unusually high. Negative partisanship has grown substantially since Clinton’s tenure — it’s not clear any president could have 20 percent approval from people in the opposite party. The president’s centrist, bipartisan approach likely ensures a bloc of younger and more progressive Democrats won’t be thrilled with him. Voters in Britain, Canada, France and numerous other countries are also dissatisfied with their leaders, according to polls, so perhaps it’s almost impossible to be a popular politician in 2023.

Finally, even though Biden defeated Trump and Hillary Clinton didn’t, Biden is in many ways similar to Clinton, who was also never very popular. Both are skilled at behind-the-scenes governing and appealing to older stalwart Democratic voters on the campaign trail but struggle to connect with younger and less engaged voters.


But I’m not sure that all adds up to Biden being as unpopular as Trump. The president is not perfect. But he has hired competent advisers, successfully managed crises such as the potential debt default, enacted legislation that polls well with the public, reached deals with the opposite party, made smart decisions on foreign policy, and acted with dignity and grace.



It’s striking that Biden, who makes a great effort to reach out to Republicans — both lawmakers and voters — is so hated by them, significantly more than Obama was. Fox News and other factors driving partisan polarization existed during Obama’s presidency. And unlike Trump, Biden does not talk or make policy as if he were president of only half the country. (Biden, of course, sometimes is quite partisan and harsh. Two years ago, he, appropriately in my view, likened a Georgia voting law to “Jim Crow 2.0,” infuriating conservatives so much that they still regularly complain about this remark.)

Nor is it obvious why independents aren’t responding favorably to Biden’s numerous bipartisan deals. After all, some governors are quite popular. And they tend to be Biden-ish moderates, such as Republican Phil Scott of Vermont (81 percent approval according to Morning Consult) and Democrat Andy Beshear of Kentucky (60 percent).
If I told you in June 2020 that in June 2023 businesses would be totally reopened as if the pandemic had never happened, that unemployment would be low, Black unemployment its lowest-ever, and that major climate change and infrastructure laws had passed, I think you would have been very surprised to learn that Biden’s approval ratings would be virtually the same as Trump’s.



You might argue approval ratings don’t matter. And in some important ways, they don’t. Biden has been able to get a lot of legislation enacted. The Democrats did better in last November’s midterm elections than any party in control of the White House since 2002. And Biden will be the clear favorite if Trump wins the GOP nomination, as seems likely right now.
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But Biden’s dismal numbers are worrisome for four reasons. First and most important, the United States desperately needs models of effective leadership that can be emulated. We are in a time of deep distrust of leaders and institutions, from the government to the police to churches. I don’t agree with everything the president does, but if we had more people in charge mirroring Biden’s calm, optimistic, inclusive style, the country would be much better off.

Nation of idiots.
 
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...independents tend to be "both siders" who like to pretend they are smarter than everyone else and just hate both parties....

What I have noticed is that the "both sides" people tend to only punch in one direction and are exceedingly forgiving in the other direction.
 
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Trump and Biden are unpopular for different reasons. Why is that so hard to understand?

For the most part, Trump's policies worked. The economy and equity markets were thriving until COVID hit. That said, Trump was and still is unpopular because he's a miserable excuse for a human being, he's completely corrupt, and surrounded himself with corrupt "yes" men and women. Trump incited the 1/6 riot. Trump interfered with the 2020 election in Georgia.

Biden is unpopular because he's ruining the economy and equity markets, his policies are horrible, and he's become a different person since his days in the Senate and as VP. He's physically and mentally unfit, has uncharacteristic displays of temper (a symptom of dementia), and there's mounting evidence of corruption.

Both deserve their unpopularity, but for different reasons.
 
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