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Opinion If Trump wins, we could return to the world of the 1930s

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American voters tend be pretty parochial in their approach to elections, focusing on domestic issues above all. I’m not sure if enough of them are fully aware of the stakes in this presidential election. The choice between Vice President Kamala Harris and former president Donald Trump is a referendum not only on America’s future but also on the entire world’s.


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The United States remains by far by the most powerful country in the world: It spends more on defense than the next 10 countries combined, and its economic output accounts for roughly one-quarter of the global total. What America does matters. A lot.
In the 1930s, the United States pursued a policy of protectionism and isolationism. No coincidence, World War II soon followed. Germany’s and Japan’s neighbors were too weak to deter and defeat those fascist dictatorships on their own. They desperately needed American help, and they did not receive it until it was nearly too late.



After 1945 in the United States, the greatest generation sought to rectify that mistake by constructing a new world order based on free-trade pacts and security alliances. That approach was staggeringly successful: Democracy and prosperity spread around the world. Great power conflict has been averted. The United States has been the biggest beneficiary among major nations of the international system that it created along with its allies: U.S. gross domestic product per capita in 2023 was $73,600, compared with just $39,800 for Russia and $22,100 for China.


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Now those historic achievements are imperiled by the possibility that Trump could return to office and implement “America First” policies reminiscent of the 1930s. Only if Harris wins is the United States likely to continue pursuing the policies that have undergirded its prosperity and security since 1945.
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It is, of course, impossible to predict the exact course of a second Trump administration because Trump is so erratic and illogical — and so easily influenced by anyone who stokes his insatiable ego. As he ages, the 78-year-old real estate promoter appears even more disconnected from reality. That, in itself, is of great concern, since the world relies on steady U.S. leadership, and that could be replaced by chaos and confusion in a Trump White House. But on certain issues Trump has been all too clear about his intentions.



He intends, for one, to hike tariffs dramatically — by 20 percent, at least, and probably far more — to the highest levels since the 1930s. “To me, the most beautiful word in the dictionary is ‘tariff.’ And it’s my favorite,” Trump said on last week. An invincible economic ignoramus, he continues to insist U.S. consumers would not pay the tariffs — but they would. The cost of the tariffs would further increase when other nations imposed retaliatory tariffs on U.S. exports. “We’d be facing higher interest rates, slower growth, higher inflation,” a financial analyst told The Post. We’d also be facing a world in which the United States is locked in trade wars with its closest allies.
Those divisions would be exacerbated if Trump pursues the security policies he has hinted at. Trump has said he told allies he would encourage the Russians to do “whatever the hell they want” to NATO allies that didn’t pay enough for defense. “The odds that he will withdraw from NATO are very high,” warned John Bolton, Trump’s former national security adviser.
Bob Woodward’s new book reports that Trump, since leaving office, has had as many as seven conversations with Vladimir Putin and that he sent the Russian dictator coronavirus-testing equipment when it was in critically short supply. The Kremlin has already confirmed the coronavirus tests, and Trump did not exactly deny his calls with Putin when asked about them. The exact nature of Trump’s relationship with Putin remains mysterious, despite years of investigations, but it is evident that the former — and possibly future — U.S. president has a nauseating affinity for the Kremlin despot.



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It was disturbing to hear Trump boast last month, while meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, that he has a “very good relationship” with Putin. Would Franklin D. Roosevelt have boasted of his relationship with Adolf Hitler while meeting with Winston Churchill? At Trump’s lone debate with Harris, he refused to say he wants Ukraine to win the war. He has been relentlessly critical of U.S. aid to Ukraine, and last week he bizarrely blamed Zelensky for Putin’s war of aggression. Trump has pledged to end the war in a day, which could only be accomplished by forcing Ukraine to accede to Russian demands.
Harris, by contrast, pledged in her Democratic convention speech to “stand strong with Ukraine and our NATO allies,” has denounced Russian “crimes against humanity” and in the presidential debate said that if Trump were still president, “Putin would be sitting in Kyiv right now.” If you want Ukraine to remain an independent state, the choice on Nov. 5 couldn’t be clearer.
While Trump would imperil the post-1945 world order fostered by the United States, Harris would defend it. Despite the inevitable sexist cavils about her qualifications or ability to lead, she is better prepared to be commander in chief than many of the men who have occupied that position. As vice president, she has met more than 150 world leaders, embarked on 17 foreign trips and regularly contributed to discussion in the Situation Room about matters of war and peace.



It’s hard to point to Harris’s exact contributions to the shaping of President Joe Biden’s foreign policy, but then it was also hard to point to Vice President George H.W. Bush’s contributions to Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy. That’s the nature of being vice president: Your role is to advise the president behind the scenes and loyally support their policies in public.
When Harris has revealed her own views, however, they have been reassuringly mainstream. “I believe it is in the fundamental interest of the American people for the United States to fulfill our long-standing role of global leadership,” she told the Munich Security Conference in February, adding, “This approach makes America strong, and it keeps Americans safe.”
She’s right, which is why more than 700 former national security officials — and more than 100 Republican national security leaders — have endorsed Harris. By contrast, only about half of Trump’s own Cabinet has backed him, and those who oppose him include his vice president, the ultraconservative Mike Pence. Retired Gen. Mark A. Milley, Trump’s chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has called him “fascist to the core.” Mark T. Esper, Trump’s defense secretary, has called him“a threat to democracy.” Retired Gen. John F. Kelly, Trump’s White House chief of staff, described him as “a person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators.



Returning Trump to the Oval Office — where this time he would be unlikely to be constrained by “adults” like Milley, Esper and Kelly — would be a recipe for American decline and rising global instability. Trump is a foe of democracy at home and a friend of dictators abroad. He could usher in a world — last seen in the 1930s — where democratic nations are fatally divided and dictators think they can commit aggression with impunity. So vote as if the fate of the world depends on your choice. Because it
 
"We are the most powerful country in the world"


But also:


Joe: Hey Netty boy, if you guys could cool it over there, we are trying to win an election and everything you are doing is exposing our inability to lead....


Net: Joe, fu.ck yourself. We are playing to win.



Joe: Shucks.
 
Lmfao still sharing max boot? Pretty bold move considering his scandals but go off queen
 
As a world leader, the United States cannot let Russia take
away the freedom of Ukraine, let Israel be wiped off the map,
or let China swallow up Taiwan. Isolationism is a dangerous
foreign policy for the U.S.A. in the 21st century. Trump is not
the man you want to make foreign policy in the next 4 years.
He is a Putin puppet who has no clue of being used by him.
 
As a world leader, the United States cannot let Russia take
away the freedom of Ukraine, let Israel be wiped off the map,
or let China swallow up Taiwan. Isolationism is a dangerous
foreign policy for the U.S.A. in the 21st century. Trump is not
the man you want to make foreign policy in the next 4 years.
He is a Putin puppet who has no clue of being used by him


You realize all that shit happened under Biden/Harris, right? ( China is currently circling Taiwan)
 
American voters tend be pretty parochial in their approach to elections, focusing on domestic issues above all. I’m not sure if enough of them are fully aware of the stakes in this presidential election. The choice between Vice President Kamala Harris and former president Donald Trump is a referendum not only on America’s future but also on the entire world’s.


Sign up for Shifts, an illustrated newsletter series about the future of work

The United States remains by far by the most powerful country in the world: It spends more on defense than the next 10 countries combined, and its economic output accounts for roughly one-quarter of the global total. What America does matters. A lot.
In the 1930s, the United States pursued a policy of protectionism and isolationism. No coincidence, World War II soon followed. Germany’s and Japan’s neighbors were too weak to deter and defeat those fascist dictatorships on their own. They desperately needed American help, and they did not receive it until it was nearly too late.



After 1945 in the United States, the greatest generation sought to rectify that mistake by constructing a new world order based on free-trade pacts and security alliances. That approach was staggeringly successful: Democracy and prosperity spread around the world. Great power conflict has been averted. The United States has been the biggest beneficiary among major nations of the international system that it created along with its allies: U.S. gross domestic product per capita in 2023 was $73,600, compared with just $39,800 for Russia and $22,100 for China.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c_magnet-op2024elections_inline_collection_20

Now those historic achievements are imperiled by the possibility that Trump could return to office and implement “America First” policies reminiscent of the 1930s. Only if Harris wins is the United States likely to continue pursuing the policies that have undergirded its prosperity and security since 1945.
Follow Max Boot
It is, of course, impossible to predict the exact course of a second Trump administration because Trump is so erratic and illogical — and so easily influenced by anyone who stokes his insatiable ego. As he ages, the 78-year-old real estate promoter appears even more disconnected from reality. That, in itself, is of great concern, since the world relies on steady U.S. leadership, and that could be replaced by chaos and confusion in a Trump White House. But on certain issues Trump has been all too clear about his intentions.



He intends, for one, to hike tariffs dramatically — by 20 percent, at least, and probably far more — to the highest levels since the 1930s. “To me, the most beautiful word in the dictionary is ‘tariff.’ And it’s my favorite,” Trump said on last week. An invincible economic ignoramus, he continues to insist U.S. consumers would not pay the tariffs — but they would. The cost of the tariffs would further increase when other nations imposed retaliatory tariffs on U.S. exports. “We’d be facing higher interest rates, slower growth, higher inflation,” a financial analyst told The Post. We’d also be facing a world in which the United States is locked in trade wars with its closest allies.
Those divisions would be exacerbated if Trump pursues the security policies he has hinted at. Trump has said he told allies he would encourage the Russians to do “whatever the hell they want” to NATO allies that didn’t pay enough for defense. “The odds that he will withdraw from NATO are very high,” warned John Bolton, Trump’s former national security adviser.
Bob Woodward’s new book reports that Trump, since leaving office, has had as many as seven conversations with Vladimir Putin and that he sent the Russian dictator coronavirus-testing equipment when it was in critically short supply. The Kremlin has already confirmed the coronavirus tests, and Trump did not exactly deny his calls with Putin when asked about them. The exact nature of Trump’s relationship with Putin remains mysterious, despite years of investigations, but it is evident that the former — and possibly future — U.S. president has a nauseating affinity for the Kremlin despot.



very well might.

It's not if Trump wins. It's when Trump wins.
 
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