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OT-Former Iowa State player shot and killed

He was trying to break into his ex's apartment (they have a kid together), and he broke into the wrong apartment and was shot by the owner as he was trying to break into their bedroom.
 
Sad. Obviously he had issues at many of his stops and people either didn't help him or he moved on when they tried. Even if he would have been at the right door, why would you be there after 3am and be breaking doors down?

I hate this outcome and what our society norms for behavior have sunk to. No one teaches respect and actions don't have consequences most of the time. Maybe someone will see this as a wake up call and some good can come out of this senseless death.
 
Sad. Obviously he had issues at many of his stops and people either didn't help him or he moved on when they tried. Even if he would have been at the right door, why would you be there after 3am and be breaking doors down?

I hate this outcome and what our society norms for behavior have sunk to. No one teaches respect and actions don't have consequences most of the time. Maybe someone will see this as a wake up call and some good can come out of this senseless death.

If he's breaking down doors to try to get to a female in the middle of the night it would have ended badly for her. I don't have any sympathy for people who abuse women or children. I'm glad he's dead so no other woman has to worry about him breaking in their door and harming them in the middle of the night.
 
If he's breaking down doors to try to get to a female in the middle of the night it would have ended badly for her. I don't have any sympathy for people who abuse women or children. I'm glad he's dead so no other woman has to worry about him breaking in their door and harming them in the middle of the night.
I won't pretend to know this guys intent, and I don't know all about his "history" at this time, but regardless, showing up unannounced in the middle of the night and breaking down doors isn't a good idea.

This situation should be the poster child for Castle Doctrine Laws in All 50 States!

Lucky this happened in Dallas, if it were Minneapolis, the resident would the one facing prison time (idiot Liberals).
 
I have sympathy for his family and loved ones, but after reading this initial story, and assuming the details are accurate, it's hard for me to feel any pity for Jones. After all, and again assuming the story is completely accurate, if Jones is violently breaking down doors to get to a female, it's hard to believe his intent was to simply sit down and have a heart-to-heart chat over a cup of joe with her.

I don't know, I hate to be judgmental, but frankly I'm sick of all the violence against women, and if this was a classic case of another entitled prima donna pro athlete acting on some perverse belief that he was above reproach and entitled to impose his will on a woman through violence and intimidation, well...pardon me...but good bye and good riddance.
 
I won't pretend to know this guys intent, and I don't know all about his "history" at this time, but regardless, showing up unannounced in the middle of the night and breaking down doors isn't a good idea.

This situation should be the poster child for Castle Doctrine Laws in All 50 States!

Lucky this happened in Dallas, if it were Minneapolis, the resident would the one facing prison time (idiot Liberals).
You can't shoot somebody who breaks in to your home in Minneapolis? They have a city ordinance that overrides the second amendment?
 
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If he's breaking down doors to try to get to a female in the middle of the night it would have ended badly for her. I don't have any sympathy for people who abuse women or children. I'm glad he's dead so no other woman has to worry about him breaking in their door and harming them in the middle of the night.

Wow
 
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And Fred had a deal where the cops were calling him first, wouldn't surprise me if a lot of incidents in Ames were covered up in somewhat similar fashion to what happened at Baylor.
I get so tired of hearing about this stupid "called Fred first" idea that some people accept as fact. I have a working relationship with the Ames police and I PROMISE you that wasn't the case. They reached out to Fred with regards to BDJ because he was a very inconsiderate neighbor. They had a meeting (Fred included) with the folks who had complained to try to settle the matter. BDJ kept blaring his music anyway and he was arrested. They even charged him with a drug house charge that a judge immediately dismissed. So explain to me why the police would overcharge a guy on Fred's team when this "agreement" was in place? Doesn't make any sense.

BDJ had plenty of problems and didn't have much of a support system. He made a terrible decision that cost him his life. That's the end of the story. I'm thankful that nobody else got hurt.
 
I won't pretend to know this guys intent, and I don't know all about his "history" at this time, but regardless, showing up unannounced in the middle of the night and breaking down doors isn't a good idea.

This situation should be the poster child for Castle Doctrine Laws in All 50 States!

Lucky this happened in Dallas, if it were Minneapolis, the resident would the one facing prison time (idiot Liberals).

If you really believe that, I'm not sure you realize who the real idiot is.
 
They reached out to Fred with regards to BDJ because he was a very inconsiderate neighbor.

The fact that they 'reached out' to Fred instead of just handling BDJ like the average joe in this world would have been handled under the circumstances of his behavior says all you need to know.

Art Briles also was 'reached out' to and did a lot of 'reaching out' to the victims and their families to suppress the truth. Shady practices always catch up in the end.

Fred did this kid no favors with his NBA GM rental approach to players. BDJ had a lot of issues coming into ISU and was enabled once again because he was talented and brought the prospect of more W's. Hope it was worth it.
 
You can't shoot somebody who breaks in to your home in Minneapolis? They have a city ordinance that overrides the second amendment?

I'm guessing he's misrepresenting a case that happened in MN where an intruder was shot and injured, but they never called the police for some time and the intruder died due to that negligence. (If I remember it was something like that)
 
I get so tired of hearing about this stupid "called Fred first" idea that some people accept as fact. I have a working relationship with the Ames police and I PROMISE you that wasn't the case. They reached out to Fred with regards to BDJ because he was a very inconsiderate neighbor. They had a meeting (Fred included) with the folks who had complained to try to settle the matter. BDJ kept blaring his music anyway and he was arrested. They even charged him with a drug house charge that a judge immediately dismissed. So explain to me why the police would overcharge a guy on Fred's team when this "agreement" was in place? Doesn't make any sense.

BDJ had plenty of problems and didn't have much of a support system. He made a terrible decision that cost him his life. That's the end of the story. I'm thankful that nobody else got hurt.
Thank you for this insight. Anyone who spews wrong doing about Fred is not speaking from any knowledge as you'll never find anyone with any more integrity than Fred Hoiberg or any of his family.

I knew if Fred had any agreement between himself and the authorities it would certainly not be for him to prevent an arrest. At the slightest problem even such as playing loud music it would be to hand out punishment to fit the incident something that doesn't happen some places.
 
I was surprised NBA Commissioner Adam Silver used the term tragic loss. The guy was trying to break into a ex-girlfriend's apartment. With all the stuff about violence towards women since Ray Rice I expected more like we send on condolences to his family and the Pelicans organization.

A guy dying while commititting a felony is not tragic.
 
Thank you for this insight. Anyone who spews wrong doing about Fred is not speaking from any knowledge as you'll never find anyone with any more integrity than Fred Hoiberg or any of his family.

I knew if Fred had any agreement between himself and the authorities it would certainly not be for him to prevent an arrest. At the slightest problem even such as playing loud music it would be to hand out punishment to fit the incident something that doesn't happen some places.
Clown fans actually believe this don't they? Sad.
 
Thank you for this insight. Anyone who spews wrong doing about Fred is not speaking from any knowledge as you'll never find anyone with any more integrity than Fred Hoiberg or any of his family.

I knew if Fred had any agreement between himself and the authorities it would certainly not be for him to prevent an arrest. At the slightest problem even such as playing loud music it would be to hand out punishment to fit the incident something that doesn't happen some places.

Really? You know Fred Hoiberg personally?

I know people too. Back in Fred's college days, word was the Ames PD caught Mr. Integrity drinking and driving on multiple occasions, but were thoughtful enough to drop Fred off at his parents' house on such occasions.

The point is I'm guessing you don't really know either.
 
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Thank you for this insight. Anyone who spews wrong doing about Fred is not speaking from any knowledge as you'll never find anyone with any more integrity than Fred Hoiberg or any of his family.

I knew if Fred had any agreement between himself and the authorities it would certainly not be for him to prevent an arrest. At the slightest problem even such as playing loud music it would be to hand out punishment to fit the incident something that doesn't happen some places.

Lol. Take the blinders off. I won't say it here but I know for a fact he is a cheater. And an arrogant you know what.
Spare me with all the integrity crap. Fools
 
The fact that they 'reached out' to Fred instead of just handling BDJ like the average joe in this world would have been handled under the circumstances of his behavior says all you need to know.

Art Briles also was 'reached out' to and did a lot of 'reaching out' to the victims and their families to suppress the truth. Shady practices always catch up in the end.

Fred did this kid no favors with his NBA GM rental approach to players. BDJ had a lot of issues coming into ISU and was enabled once again because he was talented and brought the prospect of more W's. Hope it was worth it.
Don't equate Baylor's situation to anything related to ISU, an effort to do so looks pety and takes quite a bit of reaching.
As for Fred not doing him any favors, he benched him for a noise complaint, in the Cy-Hawk game nonetheless. You can hate Ames all you want, but it is an extremely wholesome community, with very little crime for a college town. Maybe bringing him out of Las Vegas was the best thing for him at the time. The kid was obviously troubled and when he got out on his own, he lost his life, within a year of leaving college. I know it is fun to pretend that ISU is one of the dirtiest programs in the country but you know better.
 
Really? You know Fred Hoiberg personally?

I know people too. Back in Fred's college days, word was the Ames PD caught Mr. Integrity drinking and driving on multiple occasions, but were thoughtful enough to drop Fred off at his parents' house on such occasions.

The point is I'm guessing you don't really know either.
Care to elaborate all-knowing one? The crap spewed out of this thread after the death of a young man is seriously making me sick.
 
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Thank you for this insight. Anyone who spews wrong doing about Fred is not speaking from any knowledge as you'll never find anyone with any more integrity than Fred Hoiberg or any of his family.

I knew if Fred had any agreement between himself and the authorities it would certainly not be for him to prevent an arrest. At the slightest problem even such as playing loud music it would be to hand out punishment to fit the incident something that doesn't happen some places.
You don't know shit and nobody cares that you had kids who attended ISU. Enjoy your Ames water and STFU about your love for that boring hell hole. Your kids would have been picked on relentlessly at Iowa because their father is a yawning square.
 
You don't know shit and nobody cares that you had kids who attended ISU. Enjoy your Ames water and STFU about your love for that boring hell hole. Your kids would have been picked on relentlessly at Iowa because their father is a yawning square.
Where did he even say that he had kids attending ISU? You're making things up.
 
It is tragic in the sense that this kid had a lot of people going to bat for him because of his athletic prowess and he still screwed his life up. The fact that someone stopped him from committing a violent crime was not tragic but probably a blessing for the woman he would have hurt.
 
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You don't know shit and nobody cares that you had kids who attended ISU. Enjoy your Ames water and STFU about your love for that boring hell hole. Your kids would have been picked on relentlessly at Iowa because their father is a yawning square.
You mad bro? A lot of anger in you. His kids would have been picked on in the amazingly hip/cool town of Iowa City? It must be like Miami north? I can only assume IC is quite the tourist destination for out-of-staters seeking the Mecca of trendiness. Since you were kind enough to congratulate Ames on its fantastic water, I'll return the favor and congratulate you on your crime-ridden dis-jointed campus/city.
 
Where did he even say that he had kids attending ISU? You're making things up.
In a different thread on the Iowa BB board where he opined that ISU treats their students better than Iowa. No time for this dude and his horseshit. It's unfortunate that his offspring have to be coddled to the tune of "choose your adventure." A better father might have raised kids who didn't need to be treated any special way at a university. Apparently he's noticed that kids from his "considerable sized" school district are opting for ISU more and more. That's fine. Iowa needs a UCF and there's no better place.
 
Don't equate Baylor's situation to anything related to ISU, an effort to do so looks pety and takes quite a bit of reaching.
As for Fred not doing him any favors, he benched him for a noise complaint, in the Cy-Hawk game nonetheless. You can hate Ames all you want, but it is an extremely wholesome community, with very little crime for a college town. Maybe bringing him out of Las Vegas was the best thing for him at the time. The kid was obviously troubled and when he got out on his own, he lost his life, within a year of leaving college. I know it is fun to pretend that ISU is one of the dirtiest programs in the country but you know better.

Please provide a link on crime rate for college cities. You are probably right but it would be interesting to see.

I think it was stated that there were multiple noise/disturbance complaints against BDJ until an arrest finally. That was part of the 'reaching out' process. You should follow up with one of the complaintants to ask about what kind of citizen he was to live with in that apartment complex. A fellow ISU student went on camera as hard as that would be in that community to describe what it was like to live there near him including the description of not just the insane noise into the wee hours of the morning but the trash he routinely threw out in the hallway and the little regard for the property and neighbors he showed. That's who Fred brought onto your campus to represent your university and the state of Iowa to work on a 'graduate study' program from this university.

Shocking that BDJ showed such disregard for someone's property and personal safety in Dallas as he forced entry into what he believed was the girlfriend/mother of his child's residence. Chances are though had the Dallas police made it to the scene in time they would not alter the process to 'reach out' to the Pelicans coach.

I do not blame the Ames police in any way as they are in a no-win situation in that community because of the reach and power of the university. There's a lot of excuse makers and enablers. All elements of Baylor's situation.
 
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Care to elaborate all-knowing one? The crap spewed out of this thread after the death of a young man is seriously making me sick.

I know this has turned into another Iowa State vs Iowa pissing match but really that's not the intent of my comments. Like I said in my previous post, I'm trying not to be judgmental, but if the story is indeed true, I'm having a difficult time feeling sorry for Jones. His family, yes. Him, no. AND that is based entirely on my feelings about the number of pro athletes who have been violent and aggressive towards women, not where Jones played his college basketball.

As far as Fred Hoiberg is concerned, I was merely putting things in perspective for the the poster who commented on how much of a saint Hoiberg is. While I'm not in the camp of people promoting the idea that Hoiberg is a sleaze bag who had a strong disregard for the Ames community by bringing in the Who's Who of criminals on urban police blotters, I do believe, however, that he is not above reproach, which seemed to be what the aforementioned poster was trying to advocate--as if he (or she) were all chummy with Fred and family. Or, as you put it, "all knowing."

In terms of you being sickened by the comments you've read on this board, go to ESPN.com and read the comments linked to their article about the incident. You will discover people are pretty much saying the same thing as they are on here. What exactly were you expecting people to say? Yes, it's a tragedy, but Jones has no one to blame but himself.

Please remove head from sphincter then post.
 
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Please provide a link on crime rate for college cities. You are probably right but it would be interesting to see.

I think it was stated that there were multiple noise/disturbance complaints against BDJ until an arrest finally. That was part of the 'reaching out' process. You should follow up with one of the complaintants to ask about what kind of citizen he was to live with in that apartment complex. A fellow ISU student went on camera as hard as that would be in that community to describe what it was like live there near him including the description of not just the insane noise into the wee hours of the morning but the trash he routinely threw out in the hallway and the little regard for the property and neighbors he showed. That's who Fred brought onto your campus to represent your university and the state of Iowa to work on a 'graduate study' program from this university.

Shocking that BDJ showed such disregard for someone's property and personal safety in Dallas as he forced entry into what he believed was the girlfriend/mother of his child's residence. Chances are though had the Dallas police made it to the scene in time they would not alter the process to 'reach out' to the Pelicans coach.

I do not blame the Ames police in any way as they are in a no-win situation in that community because of the reach and power of the university. There's a lot of excuse makers and enablers. All elements of Baylor's situation.
Baylor was multiple instances of sexual assault. You are really trying to compare sexual assault to noise ordinance complaints and pretend it is not a reach? I mean come on, Fred did bring some dudes to campus that were most certainly not choir boys, but to my knowledge, hardly any of his transfers had run ins with the law while several of his non-transfers did. BDJ was suspended, no Baylor players ever were for there issues and their issues were far, far worse than what BDJ did in Ames.

Now, BDJ apparently went to the wrong apartment and was confused, knocked repeatedly and yelled for his girlfriend. Even if he thought he was the right place, kicking the door in is completely unacceptable. We have no idea if he kicked it in because he was drunk, high and confused or if he intended harm. Either way, it was unacceptable and it cost him his life. I will not pretend this is a huge tragedy but to me it is sad that he got himself into this situation but it is not like someone busted into his place and shot him, that would make this tragic.
 
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Thank you for this insight. Anyone who spews wrong doing about Fred is not speaking from any knowledge as you'll never find anyone with any more integrity than Fred Hoiberg or any of his family.

I knew if Fred had any agreement between himself and the authorities it would certainly not be for him to prevent an arrest. At the slightest problem even such as playing loud music it would be to hand out punishment to fit the incident something that doesn't happen some places.

Fred got caught up in a lie about Noah less than a month into taking the Bulls job, would a man of integrity do something like that? Take his cock out of your mouth for a minute.
 
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You don't know shit and nobody cares that you had kids who attended ISU. Enjoy your Ames water and STFU about your love for that boring hell hole. Your kids would have been picked on relentlessly at Iowa because their father is a yawning square.
Why is it that most on this board always suggest that all posters are men?
 
If he's breaking down doors to try to get to a female in the middle of the night it would have ended badly for her. I don't have any sympathy for people who abuse women or children. I'm glad he's dead so no other woman has to worry about him breaking in their door and harming them in the middle of the night.

I'm not defending this guy...I'm not but you are assuming had he gotten in the apartment where his ex was .."it would have ended badly"....you don't know what would have happen...because it never happen. I understand you are happy he is dead ... but you don't know he would have harmed her.

I would agree had he got in the ex apartment it "could" has been worse...that's could have.
 
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This is what happens when these kids can transfer vs. deal with their issues / face consequences for their actions. These guys are useful when they can help the program, then not useful when the baggage everyone knows they possess exceeds their contributions. Can someone tell me how this dude stayed eligible at UNLV and ISU? Oh yeah, because it was UNLV and ISU where class is optional.

So now his agent is saying it was an incident of trying to enter the wrong apartment. There are things called apartment numbers #1 and # 2 I would think you would know what the inside of your girlfriend's (cough, cough) apartment looks like and # 3 that the guy yelling to get out of his apartment is NOT your girlfriend.

Now Wilbon and Stephen A. Smith can run 100 stories on ESPN that this was due to a world that didn't understand or care about this kid and the Left can scream gun control. Meanwhile, nobody will address the root issue of a kid who should have been given some help or a kick in the A&& years ago vs. being coddled because he was a good basketball player by coaches who did little / nothing to help the person. Likely fortunate for the girlfriend it ended this way or she may be the one who lost her life if this guy was psycho enough to kick down 2 doors.
 
To think they had a guy capable of this type of thing running around their campus..... So proud!

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