Was that guy allowed to finish his career as an active member of the roster? I might be wrong, but I don't think he was.
OT-Former Iowa State player shot and killed
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Yep, he was suspended right away and missed the Insight Bowl (which would have been his last game as a Hawkeye anyway). Absolutely stupid post by the michigan fan--especially considering Harbaugh is well regarded as a paradigm of integrity.
I'm still amazed at all the clone fans defending BDJ till the end. When this individual only played 1 season at isu and embarrassed himself and the university with his actions and lack of respect for his neighbors but got off easy cause Hoiberg worked with the police. Let's be honest if he wasn't a bball player he would have gotten into trouble even sooner with noise complaints, garbage in hall way and all the weed smelled from his apartment.
Even in death he has proven to be at fault. But please keep defending him here cause it's really working well....
Even in death he has proven to be at fault. But please keep defending him here cause it's really working well....
Hoiberg and Alford should have learned from Fran about not taking a chance on a guy until they are properly rehabilitated with prison time.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/30186/iowa-takes-a-chance-on-former-felon
Yep and the first sign of any trouble - gone. No 9 warnings and a suspension needed. Lessons learned from the past - thanks for the example.
That guy never even got to practice officially with Iowa. Just the hint of impropriety and he was gone. No a.m. calls from the local PD to bail his ass out and get him back on the court like some coaches have done...
It's amazing how fast these threads can derail. I guess none of us should be surprised that in a feeble, desperate attempt to make something stick that someone would bring up a guy that never suited up once for the Iowa Hawkeyes and was summarily dismissed after one infraction.
And to think this whole thread was started because a young man made a poor choice that cost him his life.
We should all know better than to try & reason with the Cyclone fans.......this BDJ guy made a really bad decision several times & this one cost him his life. Accept the fact & move on. Still trying to defend him is plain n simple being stubborn & stupid.
I feel bad for kids that grow up in an environment where they have no chance to learn right from wrong. Where the ones they are looking up to have no clue of right from wrong either or just don't care. It's sad and unfortunately a part of society.
If you think that's a stretch, be thankful nobody brought up the RB recruit from Wisconsin in Hayden's first year. Stabbed a guy to death in the restroom of an Iowa City bar. Hayden was asked if he'd remain on scholarship. Hayden said if his court situation permitted, yes. Fortunately for all concerned, the kid went to Anamosa. Don't know if he's still there or not.It's amazing how fast these threads can derail. I guess none of us should be surprised that in a feeble, desperate attempt to make something stick that someone would bring up a guy that never suited up once for the Iowa Hawkeyes and was summarily dismissed after one infraction.
And to think this whole thread was started because a young man made a poor choice that cost him his life.
I'm not saying that Sash was better or worse but I didn't hear mentioned that he played football for Iowa.
I don't think any Cyclone fans on here including myself are condoning anything Jones did or if he knew what he was doing. What irks me is many posters on here apparently are just spewing hate for anything ISU when they haven't even read the story of what thus far is being told in the media, much from either side which may or may not be true. I'm not saying the person who lived in the apartment was a criminal but I found it curious that Jones was found outside the apartment. I guess at least there should be evidence if he was shot inside.
For someone who posted he shouldn't have gone to her apartment in the middle of the night. You apparently didn't read any of the reports that he had spent the evening with his girl friend, they did have a spat (so the story goes) and he went for a walk. We don't know and probably will never know if he was expected back to the apartment but I imagine he was since it said he was spending the week end with her for their child's birthday.
I'm sure many versions will be heard depending on who the media is interviewing but according to this link the story is saying and this is a quote from the link below. Surprising it doesn't mention Jones breaking down the bedroom door in fact it says when Jones went to open the door the guy shot him. Maybe the real truth is coming out and the evidence does not support how the man who did the shooting says it did. Hopefully we'll get the real story. I'm not saying Jones couldn't be responsible for it happening just like it was first reported but all on here are assuming the man who shot was an upstanding citizen and was believing everything he said.
The man who shot Dejean-Jones told police he called out to the intruder but got no response. When Dejean-Jones went to open the apartment's bedroom door, the owner claims he fired his weapon, striking the NBA player once in the abdomen.
http://www.people.com/article/five-things-to-know-about-slain-nba-player-bryce-dejean-jones
I guess it's just the detective in me because I have helped solve several cases and is why I like to have more information before demonizing him or anyone in that situation. I would guess (and at that time of morning that's just a guess) there was at the least alcohol involved and most people do dumb and crazy things under the influence. Let that be a lesson to those who imbibe.
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Holy shite.....you have helped solve several cases??? Your initial comments said things like "maybe he didn't get mad until he heard a male in the apartment." The guy was freaking sleeping!! Also, contrary to what your people magazine article states, he did not try to just "open" the bedroom door:
Demarquis Black, a public information officer for the Dallas police department, emailed this information to the Register:
On May 28, 2016, at approximately 3:20 a.m., Dallas officers responded to the 2500 block of Bennett Avenue regarding a shooting. Upon arrival officers found one individual had been shot. The resident of the apartment reported that an individual had kicked open the front door and entered his apartment. The resident, who was asleep in the bedroom, heard the individual enter and retrieved a handgun. He stated he called out to the individual, but was not answered. As the individual kicked the bedroom door, the resident fired his gun. The individual left the apartment and collapsed in the breezeway. The individual was transported to a local hospital where he died from his injuries.
Are these cases you helped solve from an "encyclopedia brown" book? Because I'm not seeing how your moronic reasoning could help solve any actual case.
Myvue, I think that you are trying too hard to justify what was, at best, really stupid and felonious behavior. I am not happy that he is dead, but it does not make sense to blame the man who shot an intruder that had already kicked down the front door to his apartment. According to the Dallas Morning News story, "When Dejean-Jones kicked the door to the bedroom police said, the man fired, apparently in self defense."
The ESPN story said that Dejean-Jones "kicked the bedroom door and the resident fired his gun through the door, striking him."
No story that I have seen suggests anything other than Dejean-Jones kicking, or having kicked open, the bedroom door at the time he was shot.
The ESPN story said that Dejean-Jones "kicked the bedroom door and the resident fired his gun through the door, striking him."
No story that I have seen suggests anything other than Dejean-Jones kicking, or having kicked open, the bedroom door at the time he was shot.
No guys, I think Myvue's on to something here. The individual who shot BDJ, in addition to being well known for his habit of vociferous somniloquy, was also a self-confessed sleep walker. It's highly likely that the actual shooting took place outside the apartment, as the resident wandered about in his sleep, which would explain why the body was found in the breezeway. Never mind that this conflicts with official statements issued by the Dallas Police, we've got the Sherlock Holmes of Ames on the case now...
So, we're going back nearly 40 years to make your case. Pretty freakin' weak even for you.
True. But the point wasn't to "make my case." Not even sure what my case might be.
I agree 40 years is probably outside the parameters of the discussion.
I made my arguments about the late Bryce Dejean-Jones while he was alive. His well publicized behaviors were clear and alarming signs of problems ahead. I took heat from several Iowa State fans for my comments. Dejean-Jones is now dead and to continue making comments about him would be as close to "Beating a dead horse" as one can get. So may he rest in piece.
So only a few things remain for me to say.
I've also taken heat for my comments about Charlie Moore, and from the same crowd. Let me tell you that concerning behavior deserves to be noticed and discussed. You look at the teams that Moore seriously considered (Give me a break and don't play stupid that Iowa was ever in the running.) and as I've said it is a murderer's row of cheaters. The length of his recruiting tells me it couldn't have just been handlers but the kid himself was playing, "What's in it for me." I know, the world has changed but that is still a serious character flaw. And my complaints about Moore, as my complaints about Dejean-Jones, come from concern for the young men.
So finally. To the crowd that has stated they don't care about things like grades. The same crowd that makes statements like "prove it", or bring up incidents at other schools (this isn't politics or a football game). A man died. He died quite possibly because his behaviors were never confronted by people who should have. Oh sure, we can talk about one game suspensions or student-managers following these guys around to keep them out of trouble. But obviously Dejean-Jones had learned nothing about what doors and walls and the rights of others mean. Again, this is not an attack on him. It is an attack on the win at all costs attitude that failed a young man by not mentoring him, just using him to win games.
So only a few things remain for me to say.
I've also taken heat for my comments about Charlie Moore, and from the same crowd. Let me tell you that concerning behavior deserves to be noticed and discussed. You look at the teams that Moore seriously considered (Give me a break and don't play stupid that Iowa was ever in the running.) and as I've said it is a murderer's row of cheaters. The length of his recruiting tells me it couldn't have just been handlers but the kid himself was playing, "What's in it for me." I know, the world has changed but that is still a serious character flaw. And my complaints about Moore, as my complaints about Dejean-Jones, come from concern for the young men.
So finally. To the crowd that has stated they don't care about things like grades. The same crowd that makes statements like "prove it", or bring up incidents at other schools (this isn't politics or a football game). A man died. He died quite possibly because his behaviors were never confronted by people who should have. Oh sure, we can talk about one game suspensions or student-managers following these guys around to keep them out of trouble. But obviously Dejean-Jones had learned nothing about what doors and walls and the rights of others mean. Again, this is not an attack on him. It is an attack on the win at all costs attitude that failed a young man by not mentoring him, just using him to win games.
Great comments, Dan! I agree 100% with your message. And it's unfortunate that a tragedy like this has been used by some to take pot shots at the "other school." Clearly, bad behavior from student athletes, or former student athletes, is an epidemic everywhere, and is reflective of a cultural problem (emphasizing winning over the development of young men) across the United States, and not an issue of a specific location or institution, although there are obviously some places that are far greater offenders than others (and I'm not referring to Iowa State so let's not go there anyone).
My first reaction when learning of this story was from a visceral feeling of disgust and disdain for domestic violence against women, as I have known too many women who are victims of it personally, and stated my opinion in kind that I had no sympathy for Jones. While I still by and large maintain that position, and at the time I first stated it was viewing it in terms of quite a few pro athletes seemingly deluded by a sense of entitlement and of being above the law and cultural norms for acceptable behavior, I now see it from a broader perspective.
In short, I think you are on to something, Dan. For whatever reason or reasons, it SEEMS a lot of these young men have been conditioned to believe that bad choices and behavior are without serious consequence. It SEEMS a lot these kids have been conditioned to believe, perhaps from a young age, that because their athletic skills are valued so highly by our "win at all costs" culture, that excuses, rationalizing, and skirting around rules and conventions are germane to being such a prominent member of our society. It SEEMS this message was reinforced into Jones's psyche multiple times throughout his youth. I emphasize seems because none of us will ever know for sure what had or hadn't been said to Jones by coaches and other important "authority" figures in his life.
With that said, there is one thing we all can conclude for certain: another young man, with a seemingly bright future ahead of him, made poor choices that cost him his life. Hopefully, if anything good can come from this tragedy, it is the hope that a few of these coaches (and/or mentors) and the kids with exceptional athletic ability being told daily how special they are will take notice and adjust their mind sets and behaviors accordingly. We can hope.
I have been reading the reports ion the DM Register about this incident. It is AMAZING that they are reporting it as a father trying to visit his daughter who was accidentally shot while going to the wrong apartment. The headline for it in today's DM Register is actually "DeJean Jones was shot while visiting daughter". Never mind that the facts don't add up to that. "Visiting" at 3 a.m. Took a walk and got lost - at 3 a.m.? In a neighborhood he purportedly does not know? And kicking down the door of his estranged girlfriend's (and baby girl's) apartment at 3 a.m.?
The register is really off the rails on this one. Ridiculous reporting. No other way to paint it.
The register is really off the rails on this one. Ridiculous reporting. No other way to paint it.
Minus the clone fans saying he wasn't a violent person or that shockingly the Pelicans and John Walters said he was a good person. Yep that's not defending him...
Maybe you should reread some post in this thread
Maybe we should agree on the definition of "defending him." I haven't seen anybody defending what he did that got him killed. I saw a couple of posters taking issues with exaggerated claims about his past behavior. To my knowledge, his background was that he was an asshole who was disruptive, didn't get along with people, not somebody you'd want to have as a teammate or a neighbor, but not that he had a history of violent behavior.
For my part, I think Fred made a mistake recruiting him, and I think he (BDJ) was in large part responsible for the problems on the team, which actually seemed to play its best basketball without him. But I have no inside sources.
Apropos of nothing, did you know his stepfather was the legendary K.C. Jones?
I agree, I don't think any ISU fans are saying BDJ was a role model or anything. I don't think it's the time or place to take shots at ISU or Hoiberg nor do I think it's justified.
What have I said that doesn't agree with that post? I've made it pretty clear I think it's disgusting that people are using a death of a young man to take shots at Iowa State
Hoiburg did this kid no favors, was he taught any lessons on life from Fred? I don't know, however when some of us were questioning Fred's recruiting of castoffs from other teams we were told to shut up. I recall several cyclone fans were saying, just win.
It's unfortunate what happened, however BDJ made his choices. It's too bad someone did not do more to show him right from wrong before it got to this level.
You say Hoiberg did this kid no favors but then you say you don't know if Fred taught him any life lessons. Just goes to prove you have no clue what Hoiberg did or did not do with BDJ but keeping using an unfortunate death as an opportunity to take shots at a rival. Stay classy
I think it is tragic that the death of BDJ taught you nothing. At least honor the kid by learning from his sad and short life. Yes, it turns out his violent tendencies, well documented and repeated...and oddly much had to do with the privacy of the home and his lack of understanding of that notion.... let to his death.
Quit denying he had those faults. Or that somehow he wasn't "protected" from results which might have taught him a lesson and saved his life.
No it doesn't. He got suspended for a game for a noise violation more or less and then got benched for showing up late to shootaround for a game. Fran doesn't even suspend players for OWI's if you want to compare what happens in Iowa City to what happened under Hoiberg
Damn... busted again and proven wrong. I'll say one thing Bryce... you're consistent... consistently wrong!
