OT- Harbaugh with a somewhat interesting coaching hire....

[SigMaintHawk]

Harbaugh has brought in an assistant coach from Prattville, Al to be his "offensive analyst" .Sounds like a job they kinda created for this guy....Michigan has signed 3 players from Pratville since JH has been there, including 2 this recent cycle. This guy was not even the HC at Prattville...He previously brought in the former HC at Paramus high in NJ... as a player personnel director.They have signed J Peppers from there, an OL from there, and just signed the #1 DT from that high school...Partridge has since been promoted from a support role to the full time LB coach/ST coach.... I know this stuff probably goes on everywhere...but it kinda seems like the way some college basketball ast coaches were hired due to their AAU contacts with players..and their ability to "get" players to certain schools..Anything shady about these kind of hires, or just the way things are done all over the place?

 

[Herkmeister]

Say what you wish, but in my book Jim H is one smart dude.

 

[polecat]

He is modeling the program after Alabama. Saban has created roles like this for high school coaches. JHpromoted the NJ guy Partridge to LB coach to keep him from taking a job at Maryland.

 

[grosie#2]

Harbaugh trying to get ahead of Ohio State and willing to do anything to get the job done. Wouldn't surprise me if Harbaugh accomplishes everything he wants to at Michigan he heads back to NFL. I give him 3 more yrs. at Michigan.

 

[herbyhawk]

call it what you want but its still bending the rules to get the recruits you want, in the short run it will/can work but in a couple years Who gets run off to make room for the next guy to get the next top player from whatever school?

there is a saying about {what goes around comes around} just like pulling scholarships for a higher rated recruit. HS Coaches have a longggg memory.

 

[twindman]

Isn't there a limit on assistant coaches allowed by the NCAA? I thought I remembered that from somewhere....????

 

[herbyhawk]

Isn't there a limit on assistant coaches allowed by the NCAA? I thought I remembered that from somewhere....????

not sure about what you are asking,

but there is a max of 10 Coaches on staff that can recruit, as for other assistants not really sure,

Doyle is the strength and conditioning coach but he does not go out and recruit the players, then you have GA's, IA has just added people to the staff that just work on recruiting in house, by mailing and calling recruits. I believe these were all former coaches. but then again I am not 100% positive on that.

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

Can't wait for the Hawkeyes to destroy the Harbaughs at Kinnick in November on the way to another BIG championship game.

 

[Eternal Return]

Doesn't necessarily mean the guy can't coach or scheme. I believe Hayden Fry hired Barry Alvarez straight from Mason City high school. Not sure if it was recruiting related or not, but obviously Barry was an impressive coach in all respects. I mean, maybe that guy had the job he had at a high school powerhouse for a reason. Not a bad idea to consider coaching/scheming/recruiting talent at a premier high school.

 

[bigfridaynite]

Didn't take Harbaugh long to send Coach Campbell down the road.
Making room for another coach

 

[SigMaintHawk]

Didn't take Harbaugh long to send Coach Campbell down the road.
Making room for another coach

Campbell took an on the field coaching position at Uconn. He was part of the support staff at Michigan.. His new role with Uconn is a step up for him and his floundering career.. The new guy will have no on the field coaching/recruiting role with Michigan...

 

[bigfridaynite]

Campbell took an on the field coaching position at Uconn. He was part of the support staff at Michigan.. His new role with Uconn is a step up for him and his floundering career.. The new guy will have no on the field coaching/recruiting role with Michigan...

I understand this but Campbell had no chance of moving up at Michigan.

 

[SigMaintHawk]

I understand this but Campbell had no chance of moving up at Michigan.

Harbaugh didn't need Campbell to leave, to get this new guy...That is my point.. He could "create" a job for the new guy and still have Campbell there. They both will/did hold, support jobs, not involved with the 9 full time ast coaching positions..Harbaugh could hire 5 more "offensive analysts" if he actually wanted to..

 

[grosie#2]

not sure about what you are asking,

but there is a max of 10 Coaches on staff that can recruit, as for other assistants not really sure,

Doyle is the strength and conditioning coach but he does not go out and recruit the players, then you have GA's, IA has just added people to the staff that just work on recruiting in house, by mailing and calling recruits. I believe these were all former coaches. but then again I am not 100% positive on that.

Doesn't mean Doyle couldn't meet recruits in IC and show them the weight facilities and talk weight training.

 

[herbyhawk]

Doesn't necessarily mean the guy can't coach or scheme. I believe Hayden Fry hired Barry Alvarez straight from Mason City high school. Not sure if it was recruiting related or not, but obviously Barry was an impressive coach in all respects. I mean, maybe that guy had the job he had at a high school powerhouse for a reason. Not a bad idea to consider coaching/scheming/recruiting talent at a premier high school.

Hayden hired Barry to have the state of Ia connection, at that time Barry was the most respected coach in the state,
Hayden also brought Carl Jackson from a Dallas HS because of his relationship with HS coaches in Dallas

when KF hired one of his 1st hires was Reese Morgan, this was done like Hayden did with BA to get that IA connection, just like BA was a good hire for Hayden and Morgan turned out just fine for KF.

Jimmy boy hired these guys to help land recruits but was it for the top recruits from that HS or was it to help in landing other top Instate recruits?

if KF were to hire a HS coach from FL to help land top recruits from FL I doubt many of you would say a word.

 

[herbyhawk]

grosse I was talking about OFF CAMPUS RECRUITING, the GA's all can meet the recruits on campus but are not allowed to go off campus,

they can even maintain phone contact with committed recruits. not sure about non committed recruits that would be something that someone more familiar with the rules could explain.

 

[SigMaintHawk]

Hayden hired Barry to have the state of Ia connection, at that time Barry was the most respected coach in the state,
Hayden also brought Carl Jackson from a Dallas HS because of his relationship with HS coaches in Dallas

when KF hired one of his 1st hires was Reese Morgan, this was done like Hayden did with BA to get that IA connection, just like BA was a good hire for Hayden and Morgan turned out just fine for KF.

Jimmy boy hired these guys to help land recruits but was it for the top recruits from that HS or was it to help in landing other top Instate recruits?

if KF were to hire a HS coach from FL to help land top recruits from FL I doubt many of you would say a word.

Reese Morgan was not even on KF's first staff....That would make him, at a minumum, the 10th ast coach KF hired...Jackson came with Hayden from UNT..Hayden had hired him 2-3 years prior to arriving at Iowa..

 

[herbyhawk]

my point is still the same, Jackson because of his connections to Dallas and Morgan for KF for the IA connection. this was a good coaching hire for both Hayden and KF,

just like KF's hiring of GD and B Kennedy for the TX HS connection, as I showed with the kids from TX the last few years since GD was hired and then after the Kennedy hire.

2013
QB Shimonek now at TT
WR Jones who left for Colorado St
2014
K Ellis ST/RB Coach White closed the deal after GD turned him onto this kid
DB Jackson
2015
LB Garbutt
LB Jinnings
WR Smith 1st team All State
WR Ogwo TX Top 100 by the Dallas paper USA JR Olimpic 100 meter and 200 meter sprinter
2016 nobody

2017 top targets
RB 4* Eno Benjamin
DT 3* Damion Daniels
WR 3* Shavers
DB 5* Okadu
LB 4* Browning
RB 3* Cunningham
DB 4* Galloway
DB 4* Barnes
QB NR Fields
DE NR Brown

TX is a big point of emphasis for the 2017 recruiting class.

 

[SigMaintHawk]

my point is still the same, Jackson because of his connections to Dallas and Morgan for KF for the IA connection. this was a good coaching hire for both Hayden and KF,

just like KF's hiring of GD and B Kennedy for the TX HS connection, as I showed with the kids from TX the last few years since GD was hired and then after the Kennedy hire.

2013
QB Shimonek now at TT
WR Jones who left for Colorado St
2014
K Ellis ST/RB Coach White closed the deal after GD turned him onto this kid
DB Jackson
2015
LB Garbutt
LB Jinnings
WR Smith 1st team All State
WR Ogwo TX Top 100 by the Dallas paper USA JR Olimpic 100 meter and 200 meter sprinter
2016 nobody

2017 top targets
RB 4* Eno Benjamin
DT 3* Damion Daniels
WR 3* Shavers
DB 5* Okadu
LB 4* Browning
RB 3* Cunningham
DB 4* Galloway
DB 4* Barnes
QB NR Fields
DE NR Brown

TX is a big point of emphasis for the 2017 recruiting class.

Iowa has always recruited Texas under KF..Guys like Babineux,Chandler,Iwbema,and Godfrey,made it to the NFL..Guys like Tate,Solomon,Mickens,Lee Gray,Hillyer,etc...all were solid contributors..Iowa, with Davis and BK, rolled a doughnut in Tx during the recent cycle..A class that could end up with 25 signees...A cycle where quite a few offers were sent out in Texas.. I think that might have been the 2nd time during KF era that a Texan was not signed? If they can get back into Texas and gain more players...Good...If not..not really a huge deal. In the end, I don't actually care if a kid is from Houston, Tx or Moose fart Alaska...Get quality players/students and keep the good times rolli'n..

 

[herbyhawk]

SMH you are missing the point of why certain Coaches are hired, Harbough hired HS coaches from NJ and it helped in landing those top players from NJ.

KF hires coaches to help him land the best players possible in each state/region.

GD/BK in TX
Wallace in Georgia where IA never had a connection
BF is assigned to recruit Chicago and the State of Ohio
Woods was taken into TX by GD and Wallace took him into Georgia to establish his own recruiting connections
White is recruiting the East coast from Fla to NY
Morgan for his IA HS connections
Reid was recruiting Ohio and Virginia
this is what coaches do to succeed, some keep their jobs by surrounding himself with good recruiting Assistant coaches that can also develop players.

the 2013 class that was the core of the 2015 season that went 12-2, that class was rated in the 50's by every site. the best thing is most will be here for another 2 years. a few like Daniels, Vandeberg, King who played as true FR will graduate,

recruiting is a crap shoot. and who a coach hires can improve the odds in recruiting be it 5* players all the way down to the Walk ons.

 

[SigMaintHawk]

Woods had been recruiting in Georgia before Wallace was hired..
.I know why Harbaugh hired the coaches he did...
I just pointed out that Iowa had done a good job in Tx before the hires of BK and GD...Those two led Iowa to zero recruits in Tx this past cycle..If they can get kids from Texas for the 2017 class..good.

 

[klemman]

Harbaugh trying to get ahead of Ohio State and willing to do anything to get the job done. Wouldn't surprise me if Harbaugh accomplishes everything he wants to at Michigan he heads back to NFL. I give him 3 more yrs. at Michigan.

Accomplish everything he wants in three years?

 

[BigDelHawk]

not sure about what you are asking,

but there is a max of 10 Coaches on staff that can recruit, as for other assistants not really sure,

Doyle is the strength and conditioning coach but he does not go out and recruit the players, then you have GA's, IA has just added people to the staff that just work on recruiting in house, by mailing and calling recruits. I believe these were all former coaches. but then again I am not 100% positive on that.

What constitutes recruiting? Getting in touch with other coaches you know down there and saying, hey, Michigan cut me a sweet deal? I get my kids to go here and I get a two year paid deal with Michigan and free tuition towards my Masters. You might want to consider it if they contact you?

Is that recruiting?

 

[Titanhawk2]

SMH you are missing the point of why certain Coaches are hired, Harbough hired HS coaches from NJ and it helped in landing those top players from NJ.

KF hires coaches to help him land the best players possible in each state/region.

GD/BK in TX
Wallace in Georgia where IA never had a connection
BF is assigned to recruit Chicago and the State of Ohio
Woods was taken into TX by GD and Wallace took him into Georgia to establish his own recruiting connections
White is recruiting the East coast from Fla to NY
Morgan for his IA HS connections
Reid was recruiting Ohio and Virginia
this is what coaches do to succeed, some keep their jobs by surrounding himself with good recruiting Assistant coaches that can also develop players.

the 2013 class that was the core of the 2015 season that went 12-2, that class was rated in the 50's by every site. the best thing is most will be here for another 2 years. a few like Daniels, Vandeberg, King who played as true FR will graduate,

recruiting is a crap shoot. and who a coach hires can improve the odds in recruiting be it 5* players all the way down to the Walk ons.

I think everybody gets what you're saying, some of your supporting info just seems to fall flat. According to Iowa site, Ried's area was Ohio and Illinois, not Virginia where he was a coach at varioius times Wallace didn't have an identified area, he was the overall coordinator. Lavar Woods has Georgia with no connection to it.

 

[Hicksy87]

Prattville is one of the top HS programs in the state of Alabama and typically has multiple kids get DI football scholarships. IMO, a very good hire by Harbaugh.

 

[SigMaintHawk]

According to Coachingsearch.com..Harbaugh is "on the verge" of grabbing Miami-Flanagan High's head coach, and creating a job for him at Michigan. Michigan has gained 3 players from this high school recently...including the coaches son this past cycle.

 

[Bulldog64]

He is modeling the program after Alabama. Saban has created roles like this for high school coaches. JHpromoted the NJ guy Partridge to LB coach to keep him from taking a job at Maryland.

I was at an Alabama Clinic when Saban 1st arrived. He brought in the Hoover High School in Alabama to be the assistant strength coach. But during the spring practice he seemed to be the primary LBs coach

 

[Eternal Return]

Jimmy boy hired these guys to help land recruits but was it for the top recruits from that HS or was it to help in landing other top Instate recruits?

I would say he hired the guy to land specific recruits, help with future recruiting in that area, and possibly because they also have strong football minds/ethics. I would think Harbaugh would hire them for purposes beyond just helping with one recruiting class. It's not like it's that hard to recruit at Michigan after all so the guy should offer either great long-term recruiting prowess and/or more in coaching/scheming. My thoughts on the matter, anyway.

 

[klemman]

It's not uncommon for a program to hire a highschool coach to get a foothold at a school or in an area that will help recruiting. But there is a trade off in that you are hiring inexperienced college football coaches, and guys who may have connections in their town or state, but likely don't have connections in other areas.

I hope Harbaugh fills his staff with these guys,

 

[SigMaintHawk]

It's not uncommon for a program to hire a highschool coach to get a foothold at a school or in an area that will help recruiting. But there is a trade off in that you are hiring inexperienced college football coaches, and guys who may have connections in their town or state, but likely don't have connections in other areas.

I hope Harbaugh fills his staff with these guys,

A couple of these recent hires are basically glorified interns at the college level..They won't be doing any game day coaching. They were hired as part of the "support" staff..This is about recruiting connections and possibly a little "payback" for recent signees for the Wolverines..He has also hired an ast coach from San Jose State..This guy is giving up a full time actual coaching job to be another member of JH's "support" staff..Harbaugh has now hired 3 high school coaches in talent rich areas-Fl,NJ,and Al. The guy from Al wasn't even the HC, he was an ast for 12 years. Michigan has signed 3 players from that high school. He is continuing the gather so called "coaches" for their recruiting connections...The guy from Florida has a good name in Florida due to his time as a player at FSU and due to his time in the NFL, to go along with his time as a sucessfull high school coach..Smart strategy, overall, I guess.
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[polecat]

A couple of these recent hires are basically glorified interns at the college level..They won't be doing any game day coaching. They were hired as part of the "support" staff..This is about recruiting connections and possibly a little "payback" for recent signees for the Wolverines..He has also hired an ast coach from San Jose State..This guy is giving up a full time actual coaching job to be another member of JH's "support" staff..Harbaugh has now hired 3 high school coaches in talent rich areas-Fl,NJ,and Al. The guy from Al wasn't even the HC, he was an ast for 12 years. Michigan has signed 3 players from that high school. He is continuing the gather so called "coaches" for their recruiting connections...The guy from Florida has a good name in Florida due to his time as a player at FSU and due to his time in the NFL, to go along with his time as a sucessfull high school coach..Smart strategy, overall, I guess.
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Bama has about 20 guys in similar roles.

 

[SigMaintHawk]

Bama has about 20 guys in similar roles.

I'd guess most top tier programs either do, or will be doing, similar things soon.

 

[candid]

Accomplish everything he wants in three years?

lol

 

[candid]

Bama has about 20 guys in similar roles.

Lived in Bama for 5 yrs, hs football is intense following well ogan pee wee football. Having said that, I think I heard of Prattville, just have no idea where it's located.