OT: Iowa FB
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Great game, gutwrenching way to lose. We just needed one stop there. Just one stop...
You guys had a great team that proved they belonged in the championship game! 12-0 during the regular season was something special. 12-0 doesn't happen very often in DI college football!
Much respect and good luck in your bowl game!
Much respect and good luck in your bowl game!
My father in law was a very successful football coach at a lower level (Only lost one game in six years). We both agreed that this was the best played college game we had watched all year. You guys have an incredibly tough defense and was very deserving of a win.
I know this sounds like a big cliche, but there were no losers in that game. I saw two great college teams battle it out to the very end. If your defender deflects that RB's arm extension....you win. It was that close.
Congratulations on an outstanding regular season and best of luck to you in your bowl game. I really respect Ferentz. He does it the right way. I understand your grief...but you should all be very, very proud football fans.
Why? Oklahoma lost to a terrible team. Ohio State is the defending champ and has 1 loss. Iowa and OSU have 1 good loss. Oklahoma should not be in the discussion and neither should stanford.
So many tOSU fans giving me sh*t at work...no way were they going to select Iowa to go to the Rose Bowl instead of Ohio State. Ha! F*ckers....
Ok...just had to get that off my chest to people who would appreciate it. 'Nuff football talk.
Ok...just had to get that off my chest to people who would appreciate it. 'Nuff football talk.
Rose Bowl is the best consolation prize. Easily the best Bowl. Your squad is damn tough - Big 10 is on the up in a big way.
The Big 10 proved to be the best last year but didn't get the benefit this year. The Big 12 has been terrible almost every year but they somehow decide Oklahoma should be in. An 8 team playoff would solve this but until than Ohio State or Iowa should have been in over Oklahoma.
Expanding to 8 teams only moves the argument to the #9 and #10 team that "should have been in"
I disagree. Once you get past the top 6ish teams it drops off significantly after that. I think what we have now is worse than what we started with (traditional bowl games). Too much politics with the selection committee. 8 teams would satisfy a "real" playoff in my mind.
I agree that at a certain point there is drop off but there are over 60 teams (used to be 64, not sure how many play-ins they added) in the NCAA basketball tournament and there is still debate every year about the teams that "should have been in"
It wouldn't stop at 8, 16, 32 or any other number that doesn't include everybody in football on who "should have been in"
While you may not think that the 9 or 10 team should be in and wouldn't argue about it I don't see how you could think there wouldn't be discussion about it from others if the cut off was 8.
8 would allow the power 5 conference champs to be in. You are right that there will still be fights and politics over the last 4 teams, but their arguments would have a lot less ground to stand on. Oklahoma has no right to be in there as far as I'm concerned. They have a terrible loss and the Big 12 hasn't been very good. There would not be much argument this year. It would be Iowa, OSU, Stanford, and probably Notre Dame. Who else would have a voice in this and how much of an argument would they have?
Agreed. The several teams right behind whatever the number is, will feel they should have been in, and the debate rages on.
That said, there are 5 "Power Conferences", so to only have 4 teams in the Playoff is nuts IMO. At minimum it should be 8 based on that alone.Then you have Notre Dame in a world of it's own who may crash the party from time to time. I think 8 is the proper number.
Agree. There would always be some controversy about which teams didn't get in, but with a top 8, there's more margin for error for the committee in getting the legit top contenders involved. Any controversy about #9, #10, etc., is effectively diluted by moving that debate down 4 slots. Sure, some fans will always complain if they feel like their favorite team got the shaft, but a top 8 would go a long way toward ensuring that the true top contenders are included. Look at this year and last year. I think most knowledgeable fans would agree that the vast majority of the controversy involves teams in the top 8 of the CFP rankings. Pretty compelling arguments can be made that #9 and lower don't have the resume to put them in the CFP. Plus, I like the idea of 8 teams getting a crack at a national title rather than 4 -- I think it will generate even more fan interest.
Plus, to address the March Madness analogy, sure, there are a few schools that feel jilted each year, but those schools don't have a very realistic shot at winning the whole thing, whereas any of the top 8 teams in the CFP rankings would have a pretty decent shot at winning it all. So expanding from 4 to 8 teams in the CFP is on a whole different level from expanding from 32 to 64 in hoops. Much more relevant to who actually wins the championship.
I used the basketball reference to make the point about the arguments over those left outside regardless of how many get in. Had nothing to do about chances to win.
But since you mentioned that any of the top 8 have a really decent chance of winning, are #s 9 and 10 going to be that far behind 8 from year to year? As I said, the debate will shift no matter what the number is and no matter who anybody thinks can actually win. And with "last to get in" teams being able to and knocking off higher ranked teams in both college/NFL the debate won't be as diluted as some of you think.
For the record I have always been for at least an 8 team playoff.
We probably agree on this more than we disagree, Papa, since you favor the 8-team playoff, as well. No system is perfect, but it looks like you and I agree that 8 is better than 4 in this case. I don't think it's really all that debatable, frankly.
I don't disagree with anything in this thread other than a notion that a bigger bracket will lessen talk of being snubbed... that and 3 B1G teams should be in a 4 team playoff
Iowa controlled its destiny and unfortunately lost in heartbreaking fashion. I happen to see it firsthand and let me tell you what the most awesome part was. The entire Hawkeye nation standing and cheering as loud as they were during the game as the team huddled together to walk off the field following the game. I have seen a lot of fans trash the Hawkeyes over the years and bitch about everything and it gets damn old but seeing all the fans giving that big of an ovation after a loss reminds me that there are truly grateful fans still out there.
P.S. With that said the bowl committee said they do not take into account criteria unless they have to, if they feel you are a better team you are in and the other team is out. Using that logic I am not sure how they think Oklahoma is better than OSU or Iowa. Could Iowa beat OSU? Not sure but I don't think Oklahoma could but I don't get a vote!
P.S. With that said the bowl committee said they do not take into account criteria unless they have to, if they feel you are a better team you are in and the other team is out. Using that logic I am not sure how they think Oklahoma is better than OSU or Iowa. Could Iowa beat OSU? Not sure but I don't think Oklahoma could but I don't get a vote!
FYI....Pac-12 was the best conference in bowls games last year 6-2 (5-1 by Pac-12 teams ranked in the top 25)
Northwestern handled their best team. Also, It isn't that clear cut. You have to factor where games are played and bowl tie ins. An example would be the year Iowa finished bottom half of the Big 10 but matched up with Texas who was upper 1/3 in the Big 12. I believe their only losses may have been when Colt was hurt. Big Ten normally has 2 teams in the BCS which bumps every one into tougher match ups.
Pumpdog...I am also a big fan of the Irish along with the Hawks, and Arizona. I usually hate that type of fan but I come by each honestly. I am happy that the Irish will not be facing Iowa. Back when Iowa came down to Arizona, there were several fans wearing Iowa hats with Arizona shirts. I rooted for Arizona because I had season tickets and we were the underdog. I am stuck in a quandary...go to see ND in PHX, go to the Rose Bowl, or go to the Midlands. HOMECINC (my wife) has no idea that these decisions are being made.
I disagree Gablefan. Fact was B10 was 5-5 last year. Sure we had the national champ which is outstanding! B10 has been thumping its chest about that fact all season long. Most likely was the reason media wasn't negative about OSU schedule until their lost.
Up and coming implies the conference as a whole, not just the top 1-3 teams.
Up and coming implies the conference as a whole, not just the top 1-3 teams.
