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OT - Oklahoma v Villanova

And how many Nebraska players are on the all-time Big Ten team?


Just gotta keep that post count up... oh, and the nonsensical meanderings of the over-obsessed poster here on HR.

Feigning senility does not become you, LC. Of course, there is the very real possibility that it is much closer to reality than you even know.
 
So what I learned from this thread is that the B10 has won more titles in basketball this century than the B12.
The last Big 10 national champion was Michigan State in 2000. Unless you want to also include the 2002 Maryland championship. The last Big 12 national champion was Kansas in 2008.

Neither conference has that much to brag about this century if national championships are the criteria.
 
In other words, half the members of the Big XII have been to a Final Four in the past 15 years. Yeah, pretty weak league.
Exactly half of current Big 12 teams have been to a Final Four in the last 15 years. Likewise half of the current Big 10 teams have been to a Final Four in the last 15 years. That data includes current members Maryland and West Virginia that made Final Four trips before joining our fine conferences.
 
Exactly half of current Big 12 teams have been to a Final Four in the last 15 years. Likewise half of the current Big 10 teams have been to a Final Four in the last 15 years. That data includes current members Maryland and West Virginia that made Final Four trips before joining our fine conferences.


Why only tell part of the story? The Big Ten has made twelve appearances in the Final Four in the time frame specified (no, Maryland is not one of those twelve). The big xii, on the other hand, has eight appearances to its credit.

The uber-manipulations of LC are understandable... he has nothing else to do to occupy his way too much idle time. You are better than that (him).
 
Exactly half of current Big 12 teams have been to a Final Four in the last 15 years. Likewise half of the current Big 10 teams have been to a Final Four in the last 15 years. That data includes current members Maryland and West Virginia that made Final Four trips before joining our fine conferences.
If you calculate the number of Final Four appearances normalized by number of current league teams, there's not much difference between conferences. In fact the Big 12 has a slightly better rate at 90% (9 Final Fours / 10 teams) versus 85.7% (12 Finals Fours / 14 teams) for the Big 10.
 
If you calculate the number of Final Four appearances normalized by number of current league teams, there's not much difference between conferences. In fact the Big 12 has a slightly better rate at 90% (9 Final Fours / 10 teams) versus 85.7% (12 Finals Fours / 14 teams) for the Big 10.


Why would anyone want to do that? Attempting to justify a conference not able to retain teams (lost Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A & M) when it is generally well known is not the best strategy. Also, as has been mentioned, the big xii was a twelve team league from 1996 to 2010 inclusive. Care to speculate on how great the mighty big xii was during that period?

Face it. The big xii once again failed to live up to all of the pre and early (actually throughout) billing as the hands down best. Even the most obnoxious of the obsessed isu fans that normally are here on HR have gone into deep hibernation given the realities of the situation.
 
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I don't know how you can talk smack about the Big 12 when it was better than the Big 10 this year. I would say ACC ended up being the best conference followed by the Big 12. It's not like the Big 12 had a bad showing in the NCAA Tournament and KenPom said it was the toughest conference since 2004 so it's not like the seeds weren't earned
 
I don't know how you can talk smack about the Big 12 this year when it was better than the Big 10 this year. I would say ACC ended up being the best conference followed by the Big 12. It's not like the Big 12 had a bad showing in the NCAA Tournament and KenPom said it was the toughest conference since 2004 so it's not like the seeds weren't earned


Ask and you shall receive....

Absolute 'toughest conference since 2004', yet fails to produce a team in the finals? Had the overwhelming favorite and number one seed, yet that team is ousted prior to the Final Four? What are the chances? In addition to the overall number one, had a team seeded two with the least difficult path to the Final Four and that very team sets the record for greatest margin of defeat ever at that point in the history of the tourney? Seven teams, seeded one, two, three, four, five, six and eight from this decisively better than anything or anyone else league and nothing to show for it now?

Why is it that the rest of the country is not in the least surprised?
 
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Ask and you shall receive....

Absolute 'toughest conference since 2004', yet fails to produce a team in the finals? Had the overwhelming favorite and number one seed, yet that team is ousted prior to the Final Four? What are the chances? In addition to the overall number one, had a team seeded two with the least difficult path to the Final Four and that very team sets the record for greatest margin of defeat ever at that point in the history of the tourney? Seven teams, seeded one, two, three, four, five, six and eight from this decisively better than anything or anyone else league and nothing to show for it now?

Why is it that the rest of the country is not in the least surprised?

So this conference that had such an underwhelming NCAA Tournament was still better than the Big 10. Like I said, it makes no sense to me but to each their own. I don't understand the conference strength talk around here anyways, if any Big 10 team was playing against Kansas in the title game I'd root for the Big 10
 
In other words, half the members of the Big XII have been to a Final Four in the past 15 years. Yeah, pretty weak league.
So in the last 10 years only Kansas has made the Final 4 from the Big12 until this year?!?!?! Weak-ass conference is right! That's just downright horrible. Big12 either needs to be blown up or kicked out of a Power 5 conference.
 
So this conference that had such an underwhelming NCAA Tournament was still better than the Big 10. Like I said, it makes no sense to me but to each their own. I don't understand the conference strength talk around here anyways, if any Big 10 team was playing against Kansas in the title game I'd root for the Big 10


And that is all that matters to the throngs of posters such as you that just need that justification that isu is better than Iowa (big xii is better than Big Ten).

If it does not matter to you, then ignore it. Go over to CR and/or CF where you will find many 'like thinkers' to your biased train of belief. You will not get that same sense here. The genesis of much of this comes from way too eager isu fans that just cannot wait to run to HR to proclaim isu/big xii the best because a preseason publication or poll or metric says so and that must make it true.

Bottom line is that the big xii failed to meet all of those lofty predictions and expectations no matter if the source was from a single fan like yourself or from one of the supposedly knowledgeable experts and/or metrics.
 
If you calculate the number of Final Four appearances normalized by number of current league teams, there's not much difference between conferences. In fact the Big 12 has a slightly better rate at 90% (9 Final Fours / 10 teams) versus 85.7% (12 Finals Fours / 14 teams) for the Big 10.

Why wouldn't you calculate the rate based on number of teams in each conference during the time period? What a terrible method of analysis you are using, I would hope you don't actually have an ISU degree. The B12 had more teams than the B10 for most of the the last decade.
 
Why wouldn't you calculate the rate based on number of teams in each conference during the time period? What a terrible method of analysis you are using, I would hope you don't actually have an ISU degree. The B12 had more teams than the B10 for most of the the last decade.
I thought about it, but didn't want to spend the time.

BTW, I am an alum of both Iowa State and Iowa. Many people's minds lock up on this site when they see my username and it really doesn't matter what I say after that.
 
I thought about it, but didn't want to spend the time.

BTW, I am an alum of both Iowa State and Iowa. Many people's minds lock up on this site when they see my username and it really doesn't matter what I say after that.


Whatever.
Original points were except for Kansas the Big 12 and maybe one other team is a pillow fight every year.
EVERY YEAR.
 
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Whatever.
Original points were except for Kansas the Big 12 and maybe one other team is a pillow fight every year.
EVERY YEAR.
That's an opinion that isn't supported by the facts as I've provided to you. But I know that is a useless endeavor to try to convince you otherwise.
 
I thought about it, but didn't want to spend the time.

BTW, I am an alum of both Iowa State and Iowa. Many people's minds lock up on this site when they see my username and it really doesn't matter what I say after that.
I know why you don't want to spend the time.
 
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