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OT: Pistol Pete’s NCAA Records

I've watched a couple of Detroit Mercy's games. Davis is averaging 23 attempts with half coming from 3 in conference play. He's gone 30+ attempts in some games. It's nuts.
 
I was more talking about him breaking the B1G three point record. I think it was Jon Diebler, and I think he also played more then 4 years, but not 5 years plus 10 games.....

JBo played 35 more games than Jon Diebler. Not two full seasons.

Diebler played:
37 games
33 games
37 games
37 games
 
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Correct, and it didn't get a lot of fanfare, but JBo is also one of three 2,000 point scorers in Hawkeye lore. Of course, he had the extra season to get there.

I kind of hate to see Pistol Pete's record fall due to a covid bonus year, but as you said, the numbers are what they are. I don't really hear anyone criticize Pete Rose breaking Ty Cobb's hit record with over 2500 more career at bats, or Hank Aaron with almost 4000 more than Babe Ruth. Such things happen. It doesn't diminish anyone's accomplishments, IMO.

One thing we can agree on, I think, is that no one will come close to Maravich's PPG average lol.
The people looking at these records (college basketball fans) are able to see them for what they are. We're the ones who discern all that and I imagine everyone will more or less still agree Pistol Pete is the all-time guy. Antoine Davis is a 5-year, 3-point mad man and deserves all the credit and accolades. It's also great for mid-major basketball.
 
I was more talking about him breaking the B1G three point record. I think it was Jon Diebler, and I think he also played more then 4 years, but not 5 years plus 10 games.....

JBO defnitely had more games than Diebler. What JBO did as a moderately athletic small PG with nearly zero midrange and dribble drive game was impressive. I do think JBO changed the culture of Iowa B-ball by making some game winning shots. Fran had an unbelievably bad record in close game up until JBO came along.
 
The NCAA record book has records for points and scoring average, the latter being the more impressive of the two, which Maravich will continue to own.
 
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JBo played 35 more games than Jon Diebler. Not two full seasons.

Diebler played:
37 games
33 games
37 games
37 games
Which is exactly what I said in reference to Diebler. The almost two seasons was in regard to him ending up third on Iowa's all time scoring while many of those guys only played about three years and not 5 plus an extra 10 games......
 
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I am curious to see if there will end up being a disproportionate amount of NCAA records that end up being held by players who played through the portal era, and took advantage of the extra year.
I kind of wonder if we end up seeing 5th years become either standard or readily available. There are a lot of underclassmen, especially in football, that effectively are being screwed out of a year of playing time by guys older than them sticking around for an extra year.
 
Davis probably not gonna get the record tonight, but Detroit Mercy with the 3 pt lead AT 1 seed Youngstown State with 5 minutes to go.
 
Let alone no shot clock in the Pistol's day so there is a great chance in some games he had limited possessions and played against 4-corners/stalling teams. Heck last Saturday against MSU the hawks took 75 shots, and amazing number and there were like 60 free throw attempts between the two teams. Lots of shot chances.

Pete scores over 6000 pts in 143 games, wow. You are correct about the asterisk
30 second clock is of no consequence. Teams played run and gun. LSU averaged 75 shots per game back then. A lot of teams shot more then than they do now…
 
Antoine Davis may soon break the NCAA scoring record (3667 points) of Pete Maravich. If there was ever a sports record that deserves an asterisk, it’s this one. Maravich played before freshmen were eligible (83 games in 3 years), Davis got a 5th Covid year and played in 143 games. Davis got the benefit of 3-point shots, Maravich didn’t. Maravich averaged 44.2 pts/gm, Davis 25.5 pts/gm.


This isn’t meant to take anything away from Davis—he’s a very good player who I hope gets a shot at the NBA. But. . . . I once saw Pistol Pete play in college, and Davis is no Maravich.

On top of the extra games he’s played, in comparison, Pete also played against upper classmen because at the time the NBA couldn’t draft underclassmen yet. Moses Malone changed the direction of college basketball in 1971 when he went directly from High School to the NBA.
 
Yeah I'm not suggesting God isn't real. He could be. I just don't think his priority was to create the MVP of the 2023 NBA Finals for the world. But hey, maybe he's a huge basketball fan.

A priority for God? Like he has a to do list when he wakes up every morning? Lulz
 
The covid year shit is dumb as hell. They guys who actually got fvcked out of the tourney didnt get a chance to come back.
 
30 second clock is of no consequence. Teams played run and gun. LSU averaged 75 shots per game back then. A lot of teams shot more then than they do now…
Pete also averaged 38 shots a game. Think about that. There’s games where some teams don’t take more than 50 shots total now. And the SEC was barely integrated. I believe his LSU team was entirely white as was 98% of the conference. Great great player but a totally different game.
 
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Got to give credit to Youngstown State. Game was effectively won, up 5 with less than 10 seconds to play, but they still played hard and didn't just give him the record. Made him work for it. It sucks for the young man to come so close and not make it. But I'm also glad it wasn't just given to him by the other team not playing defense.

Will now be interesting to see if one of the lesser tournaments gives them a bid just so the kid gets more games. They shouldn't be gifted a bid, but I could see someone thinking they'll get eyeballs watching the game.
 
Lol at people clamoring for asterisks. Every record might as well have an asterisk, right?
I guess, yeah.

It’s nice to compare the differences or advantages of each though. Some truly were gifted while others had talent and played forever.
 
I heard the same thing. An assistant coach tracked his shots on the court. Looking back when the 3-point was implemented he estimated the average could have been as high as 57 points/game.
Pete averaged 38 shots PER GAME!!! With his skills, I would think he easily could have take 1/3 of them as 3 ptrs. That would be about 18 made shots. So if 1/3 were threes, he would have at least 6 ppg more. Still a lot of points = 50 ppg.
 
After injuries forced his retirement from the game in late 1980, Maravich became a recluse for two years. Through it all, Maravich said he was searching "for life". He tried the practices of yoga and Hinduism, read Trappist monk Thomas Merton's The Seven Storey Mountain and took an interest in the field of ufology, the study of unidentified flying objects. He also explored vegetarianism and macrobiotics, adopting a vegetarian diet in 1982. Eventually, he became a born-again Christian, embracing evangelical Christianity. A few years before his death, Maravich said, "I want to be remembered as a Christian, a person that serves Him [Jesus] to the utmost, not as a basketball player."
Just read the other day that he died in the arms of Dr. James Dobson playing pickup basketball.
 
The covid year shit is dumb as hell. They guys who actually got fvcked out of the tourney didnt get a chance to come back.
I agree that I feel for those 2019-2020 seniors. I assume they made the 2020-2021 not count toward eligibility to entire students to play that season. At the time, some may have opted to sit out the year if there was a chance it would get started and then get shut down again, and they had wasted a year of eligibility.
 
Which is about 150 points less then the men, correct? If she play the 5th year, which is starting to seem more likely, she could end up 3700-3800 points.....
If she plays the extra year, barring injury, she will break 4k with relative ease.
 
Pete also averaged 38 shots a game. Think about that. There’s games where some teams don’t take more than 50 shots total now. And the SEC was barely integrated. I believe his LSU team was entirely white as was 98% of the conference. Great great player but a totally different game.
Excellent context littlez. Quite often people bring these things from the past up, and then they look at least a little different when you put some context behind them......
 
Lol at people clamoring for asterisks. Every record might as well have an asterisk, right?
No not really, BUT your saying there's no difference between a guy playing in 100 games and a guy who plays in 160 some? Really? I mean records are great, but it would be nice for people looking at them in 50 years to have some actual context of just what their really looking at.....
 
I kind of wonder if we end up seeing 5th years become either standard or readily available. There are a lot of underclassmen, especially in football, that effectively are being screwed out of a year of playing time by guys older than them sticking around for an extra year.
I hope this doesn’t become the norm. Athletes graduating from high school in the last couple years have been screwed getting an opportunity to compete because the rosters are stuffed with 5th and 6th year guys who should have moved on by now. Just my opinion.
 
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