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OT- What is going on at Maryland?

Hawkfan_08 said:
I admit, I was a little busy finishing coaching responsibilities and dealing with a newborn. I didn't know a player at Maryland died after a workout. This ESPN article doesn't sound fantastic for our new conference members in the east.

I wonder what will come out of this.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...rapins-football-culture-toxic-coach-dj-durkin
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Some of it sounds like whining from pansy players. I have no idea regarding the death, but this type of thing frequently ends up finding some preexisting medical condition nobody knew about before.
 
"made to eat candy bars while the team worked out" am I abusing myself??? the world wants to know.
 
We may want to come down off our high horses here. The rhabdo incident is still fresh in my memory. People outside the Iowa fraternity looked at that as coaches pushing their players too far. I think Coach Doyle is as good a coach and person as Iowa could find, but he pushed those kids too far. He and the program learned from it and don't use that workout anymore.
And "emotionally abusing" players? Would making a guy wear a garbage can over his head during practice count? I don't think so, especially when the player in question was a garbage human being, but it is similar to what is being dredged up here. When I grew up, every coach I ever played for yelled and swore incessantly. The current crop of college students has grown up being told that anything they want to do is OK because they are just as qualified to decide right and wrong as anyone. You can sum up the millenial generation by three statements 1) there is nothing bigger than me 2) no one is going to make me do something I don't want to do 3) no one is going to stop me from doing something I want to do.
 
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grayhair81 said:
We may want to come down off our high horses here. The rhabdo incident is still fresh in my memory. People outside the Iowa fraternity looked at that as coaches pushing their players too far. I think Coach Doyle is as good a coach and person as Iowa could find, but he pushed those kids too far. He and the program learned from it and don't use that workout anymore.
And "emotionally abusing" players? Would making a guy wear a garbage can over his head during practice count? I don't think so, especially when the player in question was a garbage human being, but it is similar to what is being dredged up here. When I grew up, every coach I ever played for yelled and swore incessantly. The current crop of college students has grown up being told that anything they want to do is OK because they are just as qualified to decide right and wrong as anyone. You can sum up the millenial generation by three statements 1) there is nothing bigger than me 2) no one is going to make me do something I don't want to do 3) no one is going to stop me from doing something I want to do.
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It’s always great getting lectured about morality and work ethic from a baby boomer....
 
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grayhair81 said:
We may want to come down off our high horses here. The rhabdo incident is still fresh in my memory. People outside the Iowa fraternity looked at that as coaches pushing their players too far. I think Coach Doyle is as good a coach and person as Iowa could find, but he pushed those kids too far. He and the program learned from it and don't use that workout anymore.
And "emotionally abusing" players? Would making a guy wear a garbage can over his head during practice count? I don't think so, especially when the player in question was a garbage human being, but it is similar to what is being dredged up here. When I grew up, every coach I ever played for yelled and swore incessantly. The current crop of college students has grown up being told that anything they want to do is OK because they are just as qualified to decide right and wrong as anyone. You can sum up the millenial generation by three statements 1) there is nothing bigger than me 2) no one is going to make me do something I don't want to do 3) no one is going to stop me from doing something I want to do.
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I get this but my beef is that the coaches seemed unwilling to change some of their workouts after a kid died. Although the incident at Iowa was bad, and it was bad, there was a change to rectify the situation.
 
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LincolnHawkeye said:
It’s always great getting lectured about morality and work ethic from a baby boomer....
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I am 55 and still work 55-60 hours a week. How about you? But you are right condemning the baby boom generation. We were all so busy working we ignored generation X and let TV raise them, then gave all the millenials computers, I Pads, and cell phones to raise them.
 
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grayhair81 said:
And "emotionally abusing" players? Would making a guy wear a garbage can over his head during practice count? I don't think so, especially when the player in question was a garbage human being, but it is similar to what is being dredged up here. When I grew up, every coach I ever played for yelled and swore incessantly. The current crop of college students has grown up being told that anything they want to do is OK because they are just as qualified to decide right and wrong as anyone. You can sum up the millenial generation by three statements 1) there is nothing bigger than me 2) no one is going to make me do something I don't want to do 3) no one is going to stop me from doing something I want to do.
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Spare us the character-building qualities that come from being yelled at and swore at. I played and coached...had only one coach that had to swear and yell...he was the biggest a-hole of the bunch. Raised four millennials...niether they nor their friends fit your description.
 
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grayhair81 said:
We may want to come down off our high horses here. The rhabdo incident is still fresh in my memory. People outside the Iowa fraternity looked at that as coaches pushing their players too far. I think Coach Doyle is as good a coach and person as Iowa could find, but he pushed those kids too far. He and the program learned from it and don't use that workout anymore.
And "emotionally abusing" players? Would making a guy wear a garbage can over his head during practice count? I don't think so, especially when the player in question was a garbage human being, but it is similar to what is being dredged up here. When I grew up, every coach I ever played for yelled and swore incessantly. The current crop of college students has grown up being told that anything they want to do is OK because they are just as qualified to decide right and wrong as anyone. You can sum up the millenial generation by three statements 1) there is nothing bigger than me 2) no one is going to make me do something I don't want to do 3) no one is going to stop me from doing something I want to do.
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As I recall, the majority of the Hawks who got hit with rhabo were also guys who did the least to keep up their workout regimen when they started into things during the winter. There was also adequate hydration available at the time too. However, without a doubt, mistakes were made on the Hawkeye's end ... but they learned from it .... and they were much more judicious about making sure guys were keeping hydrated.

DJK got disciplined a lot ... but he also broke team rules quite a bit too. He most certainly considered himself bigger than the program. Part of that was likely attributable to the fact that he never wanted to be a Hawk ... he was always miffed that he wasn't a Buckeye like he always dreamed.
 
grayhair81 said:
We may want to come down off our high horses here. The rhabdo incident is still fresh in my memory. People outside the Iowa fraternity looked at that as coaches pushing their players too far. I think Coach Doyle is as good a coach and person as Iowa could find, but he pushed those kids too far. He and the program learned from it and don't use that workout anymore.
And "emotionally abusing" players? Would making a guy wear a garbage can over his head during practice count? I don't think so, especially when the player in question was a garbage human being, but it is similar to what is being dredged up here. When I grew up, every coach I ever played for yelled and swore incessantly. The current crop of college students has grown up being told that anything they want to do is OK because they are just as qualified to decide right and wrong as anyone. You can sum up the millenial generation by three statements 1) there is nothing bigger than me 2) no one is going to make me do something I don't want to do 3) no one is going to stop me from doing something I want to do.
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Hmm. That's a solid use of the entire spectrum there, ranging from solid facts to sheer ignorance. I applaud you. :)
 
grayhair81 said:
I am 55 and still work 55-60 hours a week. How about you? But you are right condemning the baby boom generation. We were all so busy working we ignored generation X and let TV raise them, then gave all the millenials computers, I Pads, and cell phones to raise them.
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Working so we don't have to. Ahh the choices of life.

The bitterness stems from an ungrateful youth.



So, I guess the question here is, can....you...................deal with it? :cool:
 
grayhair81 said:
We may want to come down off our high horses here. The rhabdo incident is still fresh in my memory. People outside the Iowa fraternity looked at that as coaches pushing their players too far. I think Coach Doyle is as good a coach and person as Iowa could find, but he pushed those kids too far. He and the program learned from it and don't use that workout anymore.
And "emotionally abusing" players? Would making a guy wear a garbage can over his head during practice count? I don't think so, especially when the player in question was a garbage human being, but it is similar to what is being dredged up here. When I grew up, every coach I ever played for yelled and swore incessantly. The current crop of college students has grown up being told that anything they want to do is OK because they are just as qualified to decide right and wrong as anyone. You can sum up the millenial generation by three statements 1) there is nothing bigger than me 2) no one is going to make me do something I don't want to do 3) no one is going to stop me from doing something I want to do.
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Its not 1998 anymore bro. Football is a multi million dollar business. Not an activity
 
grayhair81 said:
We may want to come down off our high horses here. The rhabdo incident is still fresh in my memory. People outside the Iowa fraternity looked at that as coaches pushing their players too far. I think Coach Doyle is as good a coach and person as Iowa could find, but he pushed those kids too far. He and the program learned from it and don't use that workout anymore.
And "emotionally abusing" players? Would making a guy wear a garbage can over his head during practice count? I don't think so, especially when the player in question was a garbage human being, but it is similar to what is being dredged up here. When I grew up, every coach I ever played for yelled and swore incessantly. The current crop of college students has grown up being told that anything they want to do is OK because they are just as qualified to decide right and wrong as anyone. You can sum up the millenial generation by three statements 1) there is nothing bigger than me 2) no one is going to make me do something I don't want to do 3) no one is going to stop me from doing something I want to do.
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I actually had better coaches than you. I played football/baseball/wrestling/diving. Only one coach used Marine Corp tactics. The other dozen+ coaches I had during K-12 controlled their need for threats and profanity. I didn't much care for Kirk's public comments about Wadley and his weight. If you work a kid 3 hours a day and he already has a hyper-metabolism, maybe his genome wasn't programmed to look like LeShun Daniels. He seemed to be healthy while he was here and leave with impressive records. I doubt the extra weight was gonna make him faster and more resilient to injury. It could do the opposite though.
PS, yes the NFL wanted him bigger. But the college game doesn't require the same approach imo.
 
EvilMonkeyInTheCloset said:
Working so we don't have to. Ahh the choices of life.

The bitterness stems from an ungrateful youth.





So, I guess the question here is, can....you...................deal with it? :cool:
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I can handle it just fine, maggot. I will be retired soon. It will be up to your generation to find new "fat cats" to sponge from so you can black up your wardrobe and attend antifa rallies.
 
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grayhair81 said:
I can handle it just fine, maggot. I will be retired soon. It will be up to your generation to find new "fat cats" to sponge from so you can black up your wardrobe and attend antifa rallies.
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Ohhh ho ho ho the bitterness is strong in you, f***ing pulling out the maggot insult. Got damn, it's getting real in here. Lol

Btw, are you saying once you retire you will no longer be a fat cat that younger people can sponge from..........implying that this could accurately describe you now? :cool:
 
EvilMonkeyInTheCloset said:
Ohhh ho ho ho the bitterness is strong in you, f***ing pulling out the maggot insult. Got damn, it's getting real in here. Lol

Btw, are you saying once you retire you will no longer be a fat cat that younger people can sponge from..........implying that this could accurately describe you now? :cool:
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Leave grayhair 81 alone...I'm also in his age range and nearing retirement decisions. While he does tend to make too many millenial age group generalizations, some of what he says/implies about the younger generation is true. Anyway, back on point, I hope they get the Maryland mess cleaned up as the Big 10 has had enough negative publicity via PSU, MSU, O$U, and now lately with Michigan's shoe "scandal". Hey it seems to be a common theme of East Division schools. Hopefully, the West Division can rise up and shut up some of talking heads about the perceived strength of East Division.
 
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Many say (perhaps correctly) that the B1G East is the toughest division in college football. Maryland (and Rutgers) got themselves into this position when they left for the B1G, and are now attempting to compete (survive?) in the East. I'm not making excuses for them; just the facts. Good luck to whoever gets those HC jobs, and have a back-up plan for 3-5 years after you sign your contract.
 
Hans81 said:
Leave grayhair 81 alone...I'm also in his age range and nearing retirement decisions. While he does tend to make too many millenial age group generalizations, some of what he says/implies about the younger generation is true.
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I know. I mentioned that regarding a previous post he made.
 
Suterman said:
I started reading this thread and by the end I forgot what the thread was about.
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I'd been tempted to employ the ignore feature yet again, and this thread has confirmed it. Good bye crabby old man.
 
hawkster03 said:
110 yard sprints, ain't never heard of that before. Holy crap that would be hell.
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??? I played at South Dakota. Regularly did 16 110 yard sprints at the end of our conditioning program and practices. Conditioning program consisted of 6 stations, 10 minutes each station, sprint between stations on the whistle. Stations consisted of drills like shuttle runs, bear crawls, parachute sprints, ropes/tires, acceleration drills, etc. So after an hour of tough conditioning we did 16 110 yard sprints on top of that. We actually got to 24 110 yard sprints one day because of redo's when guys didn't make time. The 110's weren't really hard once you got used to them. I remember the first time doing them, just 4, and thought I was going to die. A month later I was knocking out 16, no problem. They are not hell if you are in good shape.

You know what sucked? Being a freshman on the scout team and having a 1 hour long Team period. Playing D line against the first and second team offense, who were running alternating huddles, and trying to get 100 plays in each during the period. That's the scout team D line taking 200 snaps in an hour, rapid fire, with little substitution. Maybe had 10-15 seconds to catch your breath and suck down some water between snaps. Pure hell.

When I read stories about "abuse" in CFB I take it with a grain of salt, having played CFB myself. Some of these guys who come out and complain are just players who couldn't hack it and washed out. You can take certain incidents and spin them negatively to make the coaching staff look bad. We aren't being told about the positive sides of this coaching staff and how they encouraged their players, which I am sure that happened too. When building a program, especially rebooting a poor program like Maryland, the coaches have to break the team down physically and mentality, remold them, and build them back up. I don't think most people understand how physically and mentally hardened you need to be to play and be successful in college football.
 
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Now when it comes to a player dying of heat stroke, that isn't "soft". That's something that coaches and training staff need to be very aware and conscience of if players are showing signs of heat stroke. Got to stay hydrated, have adequate rest between reps, especially in extreme heat. It's often hard to gauge, even for players, to what limit you can push yourself. Your mind will give out before your body does, but when you get mentally hardened enough to push yourself beyond your limits, you can get yourself into trouble. That's when the coaches and training staff need to be there to make sure you don't go too far.
 
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