It's the reality with big programs and only 9.9 scholarships, happened with Iowa here (and with Jordan Blanton in recent memory) and happened with PSU and Haines. Some recruiting years you land more guys than you think and tough financial choices have to be made.
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Here's something you should have figured out a long time ago: Basically no one on this board knows dick about the inner workings of the Iowa wrestling program. Even the best "sources" we have--and I won't name names--are hit or miss at best. What you read and accepted as inside info was little more than people making assumptions to fit a narrative as best they can. So making grand, idiotic claims about what the Brands are doing based on the posts on this message board is, well, idiotic. Since you have a history of such idiocy, no one here takes you seriously.
BTW, I'd be downright shocked if there wasn't even one post from a sane poster that said it was a good possibility there would be a decommit.
So Gfeller was suppose to announce on the Flo November show. Any chance Berge/Warner decide not to wait as well?
Just to be clear, a 4-time state champion from California will never be a consolation prize.
You can't possibly be this dimwitted, can you? I get that you are a troll, so maybe I am falling in to the trap, but the fact is no loyal fan on this board would come out and say, "well we have Spencer Lee, we need to drop one of the other guys." Those other guys and their families come on these boards. Why would a fan want to undermine our own recruiting? A smart fan would want to keep this type of opinion to themselves, which is why you don't understand it.
And just so we are all on the same page, unless you have some insider knowledge, none of us know if the recruitment of these two was a two way street with TNT involved, or it if was good kids proclaiming their intentions, knowing they deserve high level offers and then TNT offering them what they can knowing where we are, what they are trying to build and what our needs are.
So as an example, since they both de-committed I feel comfortable saying this, I figured that when Ramos left, we would lose JRENT and when Spencer signed I thought there was a good chance we might lose Justin, but I would never have said that on here before now because I try and support our program in a positive way, similar to how good PSU fans handled the Chance situation.
Matters PSU hubris has him thinking Iowa fans were too dumb to see the writing on the wall. A lot of our lightweight thoughts were unspoken, it was out of respect for our former recruits and their parents who both perused this board. Obviously PSU wouldn't care about making them feel welcome or being respectful to them, but we all wanted to make them and the recruits feel welcome to Iowa. Which we do with any commit.
The reality was that we knew whichever Spot Lee and Teasdale wanted was theirs based on talent level. Leaving the rest to try to fit in the lineup based on opening available and leaving someone on the bench. I had a feeling at least one would decommit. The coaching staff made the right decision even if it was difficult. We can go after the bigger recruits at need weights instead of allocating too much money at 2 weights.
The reality was that we knew whichever Spot Lee and Teasdale wanted was theirs based on talent level. Leaving the rest to try to fit in the lineup based on opening available and leaving someone on the bench. I had a feeling at least one would decommit. The coaching staff made the right decision even if it was difficult. We can go after the bigger recruits at need weights instead of allocating too much money at 2 weights.
Well said, one additional point, I just got done reading the Flo article on these two and their new schools of interest, what a couple of classy kids, it's too bad we are losing them, but they are going to be great representatives of whatever school they choose.
Don't know what happened behind the scenes ... But I do know I was not asked to be a part of those discussions so I am comfortable in believing this will work out best for everyone involved ... Good luck to these two young wrestlers. Life does indeed continue to move forward ... for everyone.
Both the kids and the school took the high road. No different than Chance and Haines did with PSU. Sometimes the stars align, and sometimes they don't. 99% of the time, our thoughts are about wresting. 1% of the time it is business. That's all this is, business. There are no bad guys here. Just what it is.
I was really hoping they would both hit a crazy growth spurt. I love watching both guys and am hoping they end up somewhere that will allow me to root for them!
Lets face the facts. Iowa was in good shape before Lee & Teasdale committed to Iowa. We needed all the commits from everyone and then things had to sort out. Those two guys we lost, are too good to ride the pines. Would have loved to see them stay. But on paper we are stronger as a team if we bolster up the other weights.
Looks to me like TnT are doing their job. Building teams from top to bottom. No Lee & Teasdale those guys stay, because we would have needed them. Pretty basic in principle. It's a bummer but it's business for TnT and a hobby for us posters. Good luck to both those guys the sport of wrestling will be better with them wrestling rather than sitting the pines.
Looks to me like TnT are doing their job. Building teams from top to bottom. No Lee & Teasdale those guys stay, because we would have needed them. Pretty basic in principle. It's a bummer but it's business for TnT and a hobby for us posters. Good luck to both those guys the sport of wrestling will be better with them wrestling rather than sitting the pines.
You got a "stabbin' cabin" out there by your deer stand Gobblin?
You were mocked because you're an idiot. Not sure about the rest. There's my "apology".
I agree with your premise primarily Art, you make a solid point and a good post, but not 100% on board. If Iowa lost every kid who wasn't happy with his scholarship money as a wrestler, we'd have some damn small teams, made up mostly of 2x State placers, probably all from Iowa (this board would be pretty quiet about now! Ha!).
None of these kids "has to bail". The terms are set forth and you accept or decline based on your personal situation. I would hope the spots on the Iowa Wrestling team are earned, on the mat, not by the size of your scholarship, so with that in mind you come in and compete and let the chips fall where they may (and perhaps and more likely presumably your scholarship allotment rises, or falls, with your performance).
I would imagine the current crop of Bettendorf kids, the former group of Iowa City West kids, and kids from all over the State of Iowa for years and years that had very successful High School careers that want to wrestle at Iowa, think they have a chance to make the team where they presumably have dreamed about doing so since they were young lads. They know the deal when they step into that wrestling room. Not gonna happen for all of them on a 40 man roster. That's called life. Some of those parents are surely sacrificing from a financial standpoint, even on an in-state tuition basis, where some could be on larger rides at other schools or a lesser Division. That's the kind of stuff parents do for their "angels" (Ha!).
These kids and their parents have decisions to make. It's that simple. If Little Johnny's "dream" is to wrestle for Iowa, you find a way to make it happen if it truly is that important to your Son and your Family. Whether or not you make the lineup is entirely up to you, your effort and your talent.
I'm certainly not going to sit here on my keyboard and tell the Mejia's and the Renteria's how to make their family life choices, it's tough for many, not just these folks. They aren't the virgins in this scenario, and they won't be the last. So God bless em' and hope it all works out for them as they see fit moving forward.
Good luck to both of these kids. Sucks it didn't work out but will still be rooting for them as long as they aren't wrestling against Iowa. Unless one of them goes to PSU, then I won't be rooting for them regardless.
You got a "stabbin' cabin" out there by your deer stand Gobblin?
As a matter of fact...
I have learned one thing when trying to predict who is guaranteed to be an all american in college wrestling! You cant! I for one am bummed to be losing two quality prospects! I feel any one of them could have proved to be the guy based on what they are made of and how determined they were to improve. Lee could have shoulder issues and Teasdale may find the money situation isn't what he was hoping for or even give in to home state pursuation! We have found holes in our lineup that we once thought was solid many times. I wish all the kids the best and really hope it also ends up working out for our future lineup. Only time will tell!
Jeesh Debbie downer! Try smiling today buddy
25 Lee 4x AA
33 Mejia will be a Hawk (bold prediction) 3x AA
41 Teasdale 4x AA
Hopefully it ends up similar to a group we had come in back in 1993 (different weights of course). We're always talking about how many #1 classes Gable had and so forth, but I suppose 1993 would have been a candidate. I was doing some research on Mark Ironside's career, and came across the 1993 Asics All-American Team.
1st Team
130 lbs - Jeff McGinness - Senior
160 lbs - Joe Williams - Senior
Honorable Mention
135 lbs - Mark Ironside - Senior
171 lbs - Lee Fullhart - Junior
Read the threads instead of the revisionist history. I said the commits were only verbals and that there wasn't enough room for all the lightweights. I was called things like "troll" and yes, "idiot" for suggesting that a) you might not get all the kids who had verballed and b) if you did, you weren't going to have room for them in the lineup. I was told they would spread out over 4 or 5 weight classes even though they were currently 120s or less. Guess I was an idiot because a) turned out to be correct, even though I was assured it was not going to happen. B) we'll never have to find out. Just goes to show this board doesn't really know what it is talking about. I'm thrilled to find out it's because it's viewed by people here as a valuable recruiting tool. Not.
Better talk to your boardmate, who called him exactly that.
Just who is this poster named "board?" I want to give him/her a piece of my mind!
why would anyone call you a troll,you just run over here with the I told you so bs when we lose a couple of recruits, no you just want to talk wrestling. gfy troll.
I think any sane, level headed poster with common sense had some level of reservation on the mass of light weight recruits we had verbal. I would guess most wouldn't just come out at the time and say it as we had hopes they would all be in the black and gold. Getting BOTH Lee and Teasdale obviously changed the overall dynamics of things.
Did you really expect to not be "attacked" when you come on a Hawkeye Board and try and rain on our parade with "common sense" predictions? Your predictions may not have been idiotic but your thought process on how they were going to be received sure was.
Did you really expect to not be "attacked" when you come on a Hawkeye Board and try and rain on our parade with "common sense" predictions? Your predictions may not have been idiotic but your thought process on how they were going to be received sure was.
To be clear, his original troll was idiotic. He came here and insisted that the signing of Lee and Teasdale was actually not good news for the program.
Sweet baby Jesus this guy is a douche. What fan base wouldn't want to have their cake and eat it too.
But you are, indeed, an idiot...
Soooo, not sure what you're getting at other than to keep coming back to leave no doubt??
Dude, anybody with a big red nose, and matching big red shoes, and a tiny little car with all his friends in it, can throw water balloons at the wall day after day, week after week, and eventually one of them is going to burst. Ya feel me bro?
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