So you say that all the top womens talent ends up a handful of schools, yet refuse to consider a player from those schools to be in the conversation for the greatest ever?
Paige vs Caitlin
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So you say that all the top womens talent ends up a handful of schools, yet refuse to consider a player from those schools to be in the conversation for the greatest ever?
When people talk about Jordan being the GOAT they are rarely, if ever, talking about CBB.
Total numbers don't tell the story. There is a much, much larger disparity in the women's game vs the men's. Many more of the 524k male players have similar/higher talent in comparison to the 400k females.
This is exhibited in the scores of the NCAA tournament games where women's teams are losing by 50+ points on the regular.
I don't think there's any question that if Caitlin were at UConn, they would have won four titles going away.
Yet, there was little old Iowa beating the great program with Paige last year on the biggest stage.
I don't have a dog in the "fight" here, but that's 31%! That's significant in my world.
Didn't they do that with Brenna Stewart? Had Clark gone to UCONN her individual stats wouldn't be near what they were at Iowa though, just my opinion.
This!
But even the one Souhan got right, Caitlin being more spectacular, he got wrong! While earlier he noted Caitlin had more assists, he didn't so much as mention Caitlin's passing as to why she was so spectacular. Effortlessly flicking three quarter court passes is not normal!
Quite spectacular too is the pace of play by Caitlin. There's a reason why in the WNBA rookie CC was guarded full-court on day one. Coming out of college everyone knew Caitlin was gonna flat out bust it.
His other reasons, as you and others have mentioned, are quite ridiculous too. No one was surprised by the quality of the women's game. We were in fact quite frustrated with it when Caitlin's teammates fumbled her deft passes or missed layup. Nevertheless, Caitlin ofc was able to elevate her entire team and carried them to two Championship games. THAT was the pleasant and exhilarating surprise.
With the controversial thing you could easily say that hurt her as much as it helped her. Come tournament time in '24 I think a lot of folks, and even Caitlin's dad, were expressing she needed to cool it a little.
The white rural fan thing is so incomplete as to be totally inaccurate. Caitlin had international fans in college! Plus all the unprecedented NIL stuff, totally unique.
Well, at least he got the stats right. Presumably.
Agree to a point. Caitlin's scoring numbers would probably be considerably lower, but I wouldn't be surprised if her assist numbers were much higher with the talent she had to pass to.
I also consider Breanna to be a lot better player than Paige.
But there IS an overly significant difference in the talent pools.
That to some extent I can agree with.
I think for many they are used to men playing and since most D1 starters of women are not going to beat a high school boy starter…they just go to where the women are not as good.
Outside of the top 20 coming out of high school, they are comparatively good as the men.
But so many will still keep posting things like why does women basketball players always miss layups and such…and ignore there is a bit of a difference making a layup in traffic when you are 5’10 guard who’s release on the layup is a foot below the rim compared to 6’4 guard that’s release on the layup is above the rim.
This couldn't be more incorrect.
The men's talent pool is so much deeper than the women's.
Another case in point. How many male D2 players are transferring up to D1 and will have success for their new programs?
Now, how many D2 women's players are transferring up to D1? Not very many.
There will be some D2 transfers up in both, not many of which for either are going to be stars. It happens…ie our new men’s point guard….but I have not seen any D2 players being ranked in anyone’s top transfer lists, men or women.
In 2023 (latest data), 85 D2 men transferred to D1. Only 37 women did.
Transfer Portal Data: Division II Student-Athlete Transfer Trends
Transfer Portal Data: Division II Student-Athlete Transfer Trends
www.ncaa.org
In 2023 (latest data), 85 D2 men transferred to D1. Only 37 women did.
Transfer Portal Data: Division II Student-Athlete Transfer Trends
Transfer Portal Data: Division II Student-Athlete Transfer Trendswww.ncaa.org
Interesting find…wish that tableau had csv download with the raw data
Wait.... is she shooting in that photo on the right?
She needs more than just a LAB to fix that shot. Might be the worst shooting form you'll see.
Side note... The "back in the lab" saying is so dumb.
Bill Cartwright, Jamaal Wilkes and Bill Walton would argue their shooting form is worse.
the NCAA women's title game was down over 10 million viewers this year, nuff said
Or Joakim Noah , Shawn Marion or a dozen or so other NBA players with worse form than Angel.
But you’re right Dudley had horrible form
Me either. Once Iowa is out. I'm done with basketball for the year.
Pretty simple answer.The flashiness of Caitlin's passes and logo bombs were part of it, combined with her getting IOWA to the finals 2 years in a row. Iowa was/is good, but nowhere near a final 4 team without her. But at the end of the day, you don't need to look further than this chart:
Caitlin’s bomb half court 3’s, CC’s insane passes, her unreal scoring, rebounding, blocked shots, steals, & lightning quick speed & ballhandling!
Other than Clark being better than her in everything possible in the game of basketball, it’s a very fair question.
I'd add "homerism" with PB from Twin Cities. Local bias 101.
Walton's performance in the NCAA title game was pure excellence, something I will never forget. His NBA career was sporadic due to his injuries.
Are we talking about them compared to their competition or them actually being worse than a player who literally misses layups so frequently it looks like she's padding her stats, moses malone style?
I was referring to their shooting form outside of 5 feet.
That being said, if you make it consistently it really doesn’t matter what your form looks like
Mike drop right there.....
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