I think he will be a top five player on the team. Hope he gets more focused and mentally tough like Connor.
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He is a good player, not a guy to take you to the next level but we’ve seen guys that should the last three or four and they haven’t done that, minus the B1G tourney win when the entire team caught fire.
The problem is FM’s system emphasizing offense over defense. PMac play falls into this category. Gives effort on O but not so much on the defensive end of the court where teams take advantage of his inability to defend or lack of effort to hit the defensive glass hard. Too busy trying to run out for a potential three point shot. In my view, if you can’t defend and rebound, you aren’t a starter and play limited minutes to spell players that can.
The problem is FM’s system emphasizing offense over defense. PMac play falls into this category. Gives effort on O but not so much on the defensive end of the court where teams take advantage of his inability to defend or lack of effort to hit the defensive glass hard. Too busy trying to run out for a potential three point shot. In my view, if you can’t defend and rebound, you aren’t a starter and play limited minutes to spell players that can.
Can you clarify what you mean by "mentally tough"? PMac is having some personal issues sure, but prior to those issues being public, I wouldn't not have felt he needed to be more "mentally tough". I hope you're not concluding his person issues mean he's not mentally tough.
I agree...as long as he's on a roll, he'll have a starter role.
Guys with floaters in the lane like his don’t just sit.
True, they don't just sit. They warm up, they stay connected on the bench and they come in for limited minutes or when we are in foul trouble. Other than that, they just sit
Patrick has a tendency to float at times during the game. He's 6' 9" but hangs around the perimeter too much. And loses focus especially on defense. He needs to stay dialed in during the game on both ends.
It very well could be a product of his cancer treatment and meds so I don't want to be too critical but he has always seemed like he has conditioning issues which is why I've always thought he was better suited for 15-20 mins of the bench in short spurts. Like most FM players his defensive instincts and fundamentals aren't great but sometimes I think he just zonks out with his energy which really shows up on the defensive side
Could be wrong on that but it's just my best guess. I would bet Fran plays him 25-30 mins regardless of how he is playing
Could be wrong on that but it's just my best guess. I would bet Fran plays him 25-30 mins regardless of how he is playing
I think Patrick is a very motivated player and when he plays good, he feels good about himself, but if he struggles to contribute, it affects him mentally and you have then what he went through last season. I doubt he survives the entire year without time away from the court, so therefore I wouldn't put it past the probability of Patrick coming off the bench at some time during next season, and 30 plus games are a long season and we all know that physically he is not as strong as a player that may not have gone though what he did a number of years ago.
PMAC might be a decent 6th man but Sandfort should be the starter if only because Payton is a better rebounder and passer.
Worst part of his game. His “go to move” is generally not under control, not towards the hoop, and he often jumps with no where to go.
He’d be better playlist off two feet with a good “pivot games” than floaters. If he’d learn to be a bit more of a garbage man the team would be better off.
As of right now, I'd guess the starting lineup is Bowen, Perkins, Patrick, Payton and Krikke. Payton will be asked to put on 5-10 lbs of muscle this offseason so he can guard opposing 4s better when they post up (which is fairly rare in modern basketball). If Dembele is ready day 1 maybe Patrick comes off the bench, but I'm guessing this will be the lineup that is rolled out in November barring another addition such as BJ Mack.
Folks forget, but Patrick was Iowa's second leading scorer prior to the 2 games right before the mental health pause. He was IMO the biggest reason Iowa won that Clemson game and he also kept Iowa in the Wisconsin game and forced OT. So in order for him to be a starter, all he has to do is get back to where he was at last November & December. It's his senior year, I'm expecting him to surprise some people.
Folks forget, but Patrick was Iowa's second leading scorer prior to the 2 games right before the mental health pause. He was IMO the biggest reason Iowa won that Clemson game and he also kept Iowa in the Wisconsin game and forced OT. So in order for him to be a starter, all he has to do is get back to where he was at last November & December. It's his senior year, I'm expecting him to surprise some people.
Too many games where his numbers were complete opposites of his double digit scoring games. Close the gaps between the 2-5 point games and the 18-22 point games would be huge. And of course some participation in the other VERY important parts of the game like D and rebounding would be a huge asset. Play like you’re 6’9”, not 5’9”.
I agree with this line up for where we're at now. But it's very concerning. Krikke (or anyone) will need to be a consistent inside threat or the remaining guys will never be open. I also hope Payton can be more consistent or scoring is going to be a problem.
To me Patrick is a 6'9" player who plays like a 6'3" guy. He hangs out around the perimeter, and when he's caught down low he tries an awkward shot. I don't know how many minutes he should get, but I do think he will be needed for this team to be successful (win more than 50% of the games). We might actually see an improvement with Connor (and Kris) being gone. When you and your brother are sharing minutes it can be tough, especially when Connor is the "smart" one. I think we all could tell when FM was playing Connor over Patrick (or anyone) because FM felt the other guy wasn't playing smart. Maybe now Patrick can play his game.
I don’t disagree with any of this.
Please note I was actually doing a WOB on his use of “roll” vs role.
Pmac is an exceptionally talented player that’s been drastically held back by his health condition.
It was mentioned above, but Fran has said in response to questions, that Patrick’s conditioning and endurance is significantly affected by his health…..as I understand it they continue to work with the medication and other factors to help him.
It was mentioned above, but Fran has said in response to questions, that Patrick’s conditioning and endurance is significantly affected by his health…..as I understand it they continue to work with the medication and other factors to help him.
Even more justification to actually bring him off the bench in limited mins.
If he had a different last name that’s how it would be anyway.
So evidently, you approve of Fran promising unlimited playing minutes to players he picks off the portal. By the end of the season Pilip was gassed and so was the rest of the players that Fran played ungodly minutes. Fran's use of his bench players was awful......
Sigh... I remember the olden days when Fran was blasted for giving too many players minutes. "He should cut his rotations!" they said. Now he's not going deep enough on the bench. Sigh...
Where did I mention bench minutes or rotations in my post? I just stated what I believe will be the starting 5. If bench players are playing well and up to standards, Fran will play them. I'm fully expecting Iowa to be 8-10 deep this year in their rotations, but that will be lower if freshmen aren't ready. Fran likes deep benches more than most coaches and last year was more of an anomaly than the norm (and speaks more to how little Fran trusted the guys on the bench to be able to play at a Big Ten level).
You are good poster but I do not see Pmac as being exceptionally talented.
Just below average passer, rebounder, defender, ball handler. Average shooter.
Hope him and Hawks have a great year, but I just don't see it in Pmac.
His ball handling and agility isn't really good enough to take on good defenders. But he has shown flashes of being an excellent catch and shoot guy for us with the occasional back door dunk.
I totally agree that coming off the bench is a great move…. I think that takes pressure off of him and he can play hard in limited spurts.
That said, however Fran and Patrick handle that is fine with me as they clearly know better than any of us.
A different point of view is no problem and you posted your’s very respectfully….much appreciated. I wish all posters were that good!
To add to the discussion…. The kid is nearly 6’ 10” and pretty athletic….can run and jump really well for that size and with his length he’s capable of being a good rebounder and defender…..not saying his skills are there but he has the talent.
I’m not sure about lateral quickness because we haven’t seen it much….. but that doesn’t mean it’s not there.
My opinion…..IF he was fully healthy we would see a better and more refined player because of the energy he would be able to put into off season work as well as having more sustainable energy in games.
I like Patrick, and I think he will play a key role next year.
But it also occurs to me that both Patrick and Connor might be better players if they had each others' height.
Patrick has undeniably played very well in spurts. Consistency is a problem for him. His 3 point shooting is very streaky. Don't underestimate the value of seniors, he will be in his 4th year next year and he will be one of the people we depend on to lead the team. I think him and Sandfort are both good ball handlers, shooters and passers for their size. Defense is obviously their weakness, the more we can play them at PF the better off we are. If we ever get a point guard that can create and defend then we have the rest of the parts for a very good team, because I think Perkins and Dix will be very very good.
I would phrase it more like this. PMac has been held back by his health conditions so we don't know if he's truly an exceptional talent.
This team never seems to be on the plus side of 50/50 balls, be it from rebounds to loose balls to tipped passes…. Pmac epitomizes that issue in that he is not fast/quick enough to win those 50/50 balls nor is he big/physical enough to do so either. Just a tweener in all regards. Same for guarding quicker 3 players or bigger 4 players.
His offense is decent, but it is far from efficient or consistent.
I think he’s a great kid and root for him bigtime, but unless he’s dominating on O, which is rare, he’s best used in situational minutes imo.
His offense is decent, but it is far from efficient or consistent.
I think he’s a great kid and root for him bigtime, but unless he’s dominating on O, which is rare, he’s best used in situational minutes imo.
Disagree.
The overwhelming majority of open shots come from dribble penetration.
Almost no teams have a consistent post player anymore.
Iowas success will hinge on guard play.
If you honestly think Mulvey sat because of some promise to Rebraca you're crazy.
This is absolute nonsense.
I can promise you Fran would have killed for a half way decent backup post player last year.
Patrick has the quickness of a 4/5 but wants to play the 3.
His face up game might actually work if he would be matched up on bigger slower guys but he's ususlly matched up with guards.
I hope Patrick has a great year. Hes got some good tools.
I hope he's lifting his ass off this summer, especially lower body, because the way he wants to drive the ball will be greatly improved if he can move his defender rather the other way around.
I hope he's lifting his ass off this summer, especially lower body, because the way he wants to drive the ball will be greatly improved if he can move his defender rather the other way around.
The classic 6'9" guy that thinks he's 6'3".
Exactly. If Mulvey actually deserved playing time and was only sitting on the bench due to some perceived promise, why would he still be at Iowa? That makes 0 sense in 2023 college hoops. If that happened he would have every right to transfer out and since it's 2023 it would not be a big deal for him to.
Mulvey had every chance to take the reins and be a 10 mpg type of player at minimum last year and he didn't do that. I applaud the kid for being a great teammate on the bench and by all accounts is a great kid. He again, has every chance to earn a solid backup role or more this off-season. I hope he does it, but I'm not holding my breath because I think the more likely outcome is that he's behind Krikke, Brauns and Freeman on the depth chart. We shall see.
Yes, Rebraca didn't play those sorts of minutes the year before when there was a viable backup.
Mulvey isn't a good player at the moment. He was even behind Ogundele.
Riley looked OK defending the paint, spaz on offense. Unless he shows remarkable improvement I share the consensus that he will be buried behind Krikke, Freeman and Braun. Personally, I think Freeman will be pushing Krikke by midseason if not earlier. PMac and PySand are going to be the forwards and PrSand and Dembele are going to push for time at that position. Just cannot foresee much floor time unless there's a Riley 3.0 in there somewhere.
