Paul, Huckabee, Cruz, Jindal and Walker Support Kentucky County Clerk
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"When one person refuses to abide by the given rules "
No sh*t. That's basically what I'm saying. Hillary is operating by a different set of rules than everyone else. Lehner refused to abide by the given rules. Obama did when he tried to make appointments when Congress was still in session, which the Supreme Court bitch slapped him down. He's also tried to single out the coal industry using the EPA, and again the SC bitch slapped the administration down for doing this. Still, Obama is basically telling the SC FU, I'll take the coal industry down another way.
It's laughable you think this administration has been worshiping at the alter of the "rule of law". Please tell me you realize that rules/laws aren't limited to Supreme Court rulings. Yes, Congress does actually pass laws, and yes Obama does pass Executive Orders that apply to his Sec of State regarding classified material.
Oh, and I wrote uphold, not enforce.
Yeah, while good comparison on its face, it really isn't as your post leaves out an important part, "his conviction was overturned on other grounds."
The Brethren, pretty much the first book with a good look at SCOTUS behind the scenes, had a chapter on Ali's case. The Court was unanimous in its view that they could not and would not approve a draft exemption on religious beliefs, knowing that to do so would pretty much be the end of the draft. There are foxhole conversions, and there would have been too many draft board conversions (its been years since I read it and a little vague, might be an old Amish case or something that came into play).
In one sense, the case is what really angers me about judges, result determinative driven decision making. Case probably should have not even been granted cert in the first place, but hey its Ali. No chance his main argument would be become law, buy hey its Ali. They had their conference and Ali was going to lose big, but hey its Ali. Somebody, one of Blackmun's clerks perhaps, combed the case file to find a different grounds to reverse the conviction. That would never happen and in fact is contrary to SCOTUS law on raising arguments and preserving error, but hey its Ali. He found, again very vague, some deficiency in the draft board's notice or something. Voila! Because its Ali he gets unanimous win in SCOTUS.
Back to the thread, Ali's case isn't at all applicable to Davis.
I agree. However, Joe applying the "conscription" argument for Davis is wrong. In the entire history of the state of Kentucky, never has ssm been recognized. It's likely it never would IF the Supreme Court didn't rule. So, it's ludicrous to argue the lady can't have "conscientious objection" argument. Of course she can. The definition of marriage, or at least what now constitutes a marriage has changed since she took office.
Truth hurts, doesn't it? Cons only seem to support Dems when the Dem does something bigoted. Pretty sad comment on the right.
Bullhockey. The analogies work and not dishonest. You are the one being dishonest or a total tool. You think Obama didn't know Hillary had classified information on her server? Please tell me you aren't that big of a political hack. Please, tell me what "appropriate agency record keeping system" where Hillary's emails being preserved?
"Violation of The 2009 Federal Records Act
Section 1236.22 of the 2009 National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) requirements states that:
“Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency record keeping system.”
Take the partisan blinders off, my friend. This administration has been about as concerned with the rule of law as the Nixon administration. Slimeballs run throughout the administration.
I'm not a Woodward fan, but I absolutely LOVED, "The Brethren". It's why I hold the SC in such low esteem. The name Earl Warren just infuriates me because as the book shows, his rulings were lawless. So many bad rulings and bad precedents came from that lawless court that we are still paying the price today. Totally results driven, ends justify the means. It's also what pisses me off about the latest ACA ruling and the SSM case. Both opinions should have been entered in a creative writing contest, because they certainly had no basis in constitutional law, but hey, it's only the results that matter.
This lady would have made a helluva clerk in Germany from about 1933 thru 1945. If she cannot perform her duties as defined/expected, she should resign her position. It happens hundreds of times a day in America. Hell, she could then apply for unemployment and welfare and have it made the rest of her life.
Connect the dots to sanctuary cities...they don't connect. They simply are not comparable.
You are trying to compare a Federal Jusge issuing an order for a public official to stop violating people's constitutional rights to allegations that government officials aren't enforcing federal laws they aren't required to.
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That isn't the point and, again, you know it. Government officials are not allowed to refuse their duties (especially involving the peoples' rights) citing religious objection.
A conscientious objection would be her resigning...which is what a conscripted individual would do.
And again, the definition of marriage was changed, unconstitutionally in the 90s, not by the SCOTUS.
what liberals think a sanctuary city is: come on, live here, work hard, pay taxes, we wont tell the feds
what a sanctuary city really is in Austin, TX: come on, cross the border illegally, live here, take all our services for free, don't pay taxes, we educate your kids for free, live with about three or four houses full of seven or eight families made up of mostly women and children, unemployed, on one plot of land, illegally, it's zoned for single family use and taxed as such thereby you can screw the system, we give you free healthcare, send your cash back to mexico to your family and/or drug cartels, when you commit crimes, we look the other way, you have no car insurance, austin police chief is an activist from los angeles who loves Obama, obama stated he will look the other way with illegals, we won't tell the feds but they are too overwhelmed anyway to do anything and Obama has told them to look the other way.
what a sanctuary city really is in Austin, TX: come on, cross the border illegally, live here, take all our services for free, don't pay taxes, we educate your kids for free, live with about three or four houses full of seven or eight families made up of mostly women and children, unemployed, on one plot of land, illegally, it's zoned for single family use and taxed as such thereby you can screw the system, we give you free healthcare, send your cash back to mexico to your family and/or drug cartels, when you commit crimes, we look the other way, you have no car insurance, austin police chief is an activist from los angeles who loves Obama, obama stated he will look the other way with illegals, we won't tell the feds but they are too overwhelmed anyway to do anything and Obama has told them to look the other way.
So you are still spouting the: Sanctuary Cities refuse to arrest illegals bullshit?
Great.
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“I didn’t know that”, says Stan.
Yeah”, says Bryan. “You see Mikey at the end of the bar? HE’S a Republican.”
“Really?” replies Stan.
“Yeah, he is.” Bryan continues, “You see my bouncer Mack? He’s a Republican, too”
“Wow.” says Stan.
“Yep”, replies Bryan. “Do you still want to tell that joke?”
“Oh, HELL no.” says Stan. “I’m not going to explain it THREE times.”
“Whoa’, he says to Stan, “I happen to be a Republican.”
“I didn’t know that”, says Stan.
Yeah”, says Bryan. “You see Mikey at the end of the bar? HE’S a Republican.”
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no, I'm telling you for sure I know it- in Austin tx. not bs at all -I live here. the public officials brag about it in the media, I can start to link articles, from liberal Austin American statesman, but you probably won't believe it
Please do, show us articles that back up your claim:
Illegals are not arrested for crimes.
Please do.
In the same vein Devil......3 guys walked into a bar. One was a dope dealer, one was a woman beater and the third was an animal abuser....The bartender told a patron at the bar, "It looks like the Pittsburgh Steelers are in town."
I support her. This whole gay marriage BS is much to do about nothing. It is WRONG. It is against the word of God. Period. But the Libs are all for supporting the gays,Islamist, Transgender and the whole PC BS is wrong. Libs are leading us to the pits of Hell and Gods wrath. But keep on hastening Jesus return. You laugh and mock. But what if us believers are right?
The Constitution doesn't give a rats ass what your religion says
Ok,I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on all of this.
Are you ok with a government official violating Constitutional rights based on "religious belief?"
...because the minute we allow ONE religion to trump a Constitutional right, we open the door for things like Shariah Law taking hold. Pretty sure the anti SSM crowd is not in favor of that...
I'll tell you what, this deserves its own thread. I will bring it, be prepared to be stupefied . we've got the sheriff and police chief and all the city higher ups, the city council and all the wizards of smart at the Austin American statesman bragging about it. you sure you want to go up against all that? sure you do....
you already allowed a fake, made up right to trump a real proven religious right, so the door has been open. I've proven time and time again in countless threads, this was never about marriage and always about going after religion. congrats, you won some small battle in the war. now let us sit back and watch how you perform in the great war
There's a 'real proven religious right' to deny marriage to gay people? Which Bible verse is that? And spare us any of that Old Testament BS that most Christians ignore nowadays anyway....run through your Bible and count how many times Jesus says specifically and directly to 'help the poor' and 'give to the poor' vs. how many times he says specifically 'gay people are evil' or 'gay people should not get married.
TIA
the bible says one man one woman and the rights in the constitution are issued by god and the first amendment says the rights issued by god should not be trampled upon and this kim davis lady should not be in jail for her religious beliefs, that is in the first amendment. the "right" of marriage is nowhere to be found, for straights or gays. nobody was ever denying anybody anything in marriage because it never was a thing. however, you and the activists who threw her in jail and KY are denying her rights. her rights are and were a "thing". I know you don't see it that way but that's ok, the battle to take down America continues
Translation: "There IS nothing of substance in the Bible, and Jesus himself was unusually silent on this issue"
that's fine then, leave kim davis alone and silent in her beliefs then. but you cannot, because this was always about going after a Christian and never about marriage.
Precisely. There is literally NOTHING in the Bible attributed directly to Jesus which supports Kim Davis and her 'version' of the Bible.
BUT, she is perfectly fine maintaining her beliefs AT HOME or AT HER CHURCH. The minute she takes them to work and IMPOSES them onto other people who DO NOT SHARE THEM, she is violating the law, and she is exactly where she should be for violating the law: jail.
she violated no law , she is in jail for contempt. the judge and the gay activists violated the constitution and the law by trampling on her rights, and they showed great contempt. and btw, I've stated many times I believe jesus was an alien implant baby so jesus matters not to me here. what does matter is the first amendment which states no chump in DC shall make a citizen go against their religion. so, she should be offered a way out in my opinion, a certificate of union or something, which she can issue. marriage is defined as one man, one woman, she should not be made to sign off on anything else. or, spiritually people should join without her signature, get government out. but for her to change the definition of marriage and then sign off on it, no. if you open that door you are going to make people sign of on devil cults and old guys marrying ten year olds, eventually. you know that is where this is headed. you are going to go door to door jailing people who do not believe what you believe. sounds like hitler.
No....get religion out of government.
That is why she is in jail; if a Muslim were a county clerk and attempting to enforce some crazy Shariah Law on people in the county and violating a judge's order, the Christian Conservatives would be going bat-s**t crazy. But, because this particular 'belief' is in line with their version of the Bible (which it is actually NOT well supported by teachings of Christ himself), they are lining up to claim she is being 'persecuted'. (She is not.)
Kind of ironic in this day and age....the Pilgrims escaped the Old Country and came to America specifically to ESCAPE being told 'how to worship' and 'which beliefs to have'. Many others followed, just BECAUSE they could worship the way they wanted without anyone dictating beliefs or imposing specific beliefs on them.
But today, we have Conservative Christians doing the opposite - they are the DEFINITION of the 'Old World' society, forcing others to believe what they do. And the irony is that people came to America to ESCAPE that mindset and imposition....
That is why she is in jail; if a Muslim were a county clerk and attempting to enforce some crazy Shariah Law on people in the county and violating a judge's order, the Christian Conservatives would be going bat-s**t crazy. But, because this particular 'belief' is in line with their version of the Bible (which it is actually NOT well supported by teachings of Christ himself), they are lining up to claim she is being 'persecuted'. (She is not.)
Kind of ironic in this day and age....the Pilgrims escaped the Old Country and came to America specifically to ESCAPE being told 'how to worship' and 'which beliefs to have'. Many others followed, just BECAUSE they could worship the way they wanted without anyone dictating beliefs or imposing specific beliefs on them.
But today, we have Conservative Christians doing the opposite - they are the DEFINITION of the 'Old World' society, forcing others to believe what they do. And the irony is that people came to America to ESCAPE that mindset and imposition....
Kim Davis did not go to jail because of her religious views
she went to jail for refusing to do the job she was elected/appointed to do
and for violating the oath of office she took for that office
simple Ms Davis---obey the law of the United States and your oath of office or go to jail
I commend Judge Bunning
she went to jail for refusing to do the job she was elected/appointed to do
and for violating the oath of office she took for that office
simple Ms Davis---obey the law of the United States and your oath of office or go to jail
I commend Judge Bunning
You better be right Speedway, 'cause you guys will NEVER admit if you're wrong. My advice to you is to practice the tolerance that Jesus Christ taught when he was on this earth. Don't bullshit me with your interpretation of someone elses interpretation of The New Testament....go to the source and live the life Christ wanted you to live. Christ was smart enough to live His life and not that of others.
So OiT is in favor of Sharia Law. That is good to know.
The irony is strong with this one.
And what if God is entirely different from what you believe and you're just pissing Her off? If your scenario should worry me then mine should worry you.
