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People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year

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Ban toddlers!:

This week a 2-year-old in South Carolina found a gun in the back seat of the car he was riding in and accidentally shot his grandmother, who was sitting in the passenger seat. This type of thing happens from time to time: a little kid finds a gun, fires it, and hurts or kills himself or someone else. These cases rarely rarely bubble up to the national level except when someone, like a parent, ends up dead.

But cases like this happen a lot more frequently than you might think. After spending a few hours sifting through news reports, I've found at least 43 instances this year of somebody being shot by a toddler aged 3 or less. In 31 of those 43 cases, a toddler found a gun and shot himself or herself.

In August, for instance, a 21-month-old in the St. Louis area found a loaded handgun at his grandmother's house and shot himself in the torso. His mother took him to a local hospital, where he was pronounced dead. Earlier in the year a Michigan 3-year-old found a loaded .40 caliber handgun in a closet while his dad and brother were outside. He shot himself in the head and died before rescue workers arrived.

The stories go on and on like this: roughly once a week this year, on average, a small child has found a gun, pointed it at himself or someone else, and pulled the trigger. Boys are disproportionately likely to do this: I could only find three cases where a girl under the age of 4 wounded someone with a gun. In 13 of the 43 total incidents, a child's self-inflicted injuries were fatal. In two other cases, another person died after being shot by a toddler: a father in Alabama, and a 1-year-old in Ohio.

In one instance, a three-year-old managed to wound both of his parents with a single gunshot at an Albuquerque motel.

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Shootings by toddlers have happened in 24 states so far this year. Missouri has seen the most, with five separate incidents. Florida has had four. Texas, three. Due to the low number of total cases and the isolated nature of these incidents I'd caution against drawing broad conclusions from the map above. But it is worth noting that the shootings don't necessarily follow broader population trends. California, the most populous state in the nation, hasn't had any. Nobody has been shot by a toddler in New England or the Upper Midwest.

These numbers are probably an undercount. There are likely instances of toddlers shooting people that result in minor injuries and no media coverage. And there are probably many more cases where a little kid inadvertently shoots a gun and doesn't hit anyone, resulting in little more than a scared kid and (hopefully) chastened parents.

Notably, these numbers don't include cases where toddlers are shot, intentionally or otherwise, by older children or adults. Dozens of preschoolers are killed in acts of homicide each year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But I haven't included those figures here.

These cases are invariably referred to as "accidents" in media reports. But as Everytown for Gun Safety, a group that advocates for stricter gun laws, argues, many incidents like this are preventable. In a study of accidental shootings by children of all ages (not just toddlers), they estimate that "more than two-thirds of these tragedies could be avoided if gun owners stored their guns responsibly and prevented children from accessing them."

There are policy and technical responses to preventable childhood gun deaths as well. States and localities could require guns to be locked up at home, a policy supported by 67 percent of Americans. Various types of smart gun technology, which prevent anyone other than their owners from firing a given gun, exist as well. But gun lock requirements and smart guns have been vehemently opposed by the National Rifle Association and its allies.

Instead, the NRA continues to promote a response that seeks to solve gun problems with more guns, and aims to broaden the saturation of firearms in nearly every sphere of public and private life, from homes to schools to churches to bars to airports and beyond. In a country with more guns than people, it's only natural that a certain number of small children are going get their hands on an unsecured firearm, with tragic consequences.

Depending on where you stand on gun policy, you may feel that 13 dead toddlers in 10 months is too many. Or, you might reason that stuff happens, and that this is part of the price we must pay to protect our gun rights.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-weekly-basis-this-year/?tid=trending_strip_3
 
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Not nearly as often as toddlers getting shot by people. But that usually happens in bad neighborhoods...so...yeah...that doesn't count.
 
Is anyone surprised that the top three states for this type of occurrence are Missouri, Florida, and Texas?
Florida and texas no, I think everyone would guess those two. Missouri not as much. There would be quite a few options there.
 
http://smartgunlaws.org/safe-storage-gun-locks-policy-summary/If we can just get all gun owners to make the effort to use trigger locks and/or hide or lock up the ammo it makes a difference.

"The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of accidental deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock and a “loading indicator,” a safety device that indicates whether a firearm is loaded and a round remains in the chamber.11 A study released in 2005 found that the practices of keeping firearms locked, unloaded, and storing ammunition in a locked location separate from firearms serve as a “protective effect” and may assist in reducing youth suicide and unintentional injury in homes with children and teenagers where guns are stored."

"Researchers have also shown that laws requiring use of gun locks are effective at preventing suicides and saving lives. States with a law in place that required handguns be locked at least in certain circumstances have 40% fewer suicides per capita and 68% fewer firearm suicides per capita than states without these laws.13 This correlation is unchanged even after controlling for the effects of poverty, population density, age, education, and race/ethnicity.14 After controlling for these variables, handgun lock requirements were associated with 27% fewer suicides and 37% fewer firearm suicides per capita.15"
 
This is the sort of thing the free market could solve if we just let it work. Remove the special product liability protections from gun manufacturers and we will get a childproof gun quick.
 
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This is the sort of thing the free market could solve if we just let it work. Remove the special product liability protections from gun manufacturers and we will get a childproof gun quick.

Who should you sue if your child sticks their fingers in an electrical socket? Square D? QE? Mid-American Energy? The Builder?

They do make childproof socket covers, but no one forces you to use them?

Should you be compelled to use them?
 
Who should you sue if your child sticks their fingers in an electrical socket? Square D? QE? Mid-American Energy? The Builder?

They do make childproof socket covers, but no one forces you to use them?

Should you be compelled to use them?
Electrical outlets already operate under standard product liability laws thus proving there is no reason guns can't too. Let's have the experts figure this out and get out of the way of all the progress the free market can bring us. Why do you hate free enterprise and love government regulations that pick winners and losers?
 
If more toddlers had guns there would be less toddlers getting shot. They need to be able to defend themselves.
 
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This is the sort of thing the free market could solve if we just let it work. Remove the special product liability protections from gun manufacturers and we will get a childproof gun quick.

Who should you sue if your child sticks their fingers in an electrical socket? Square D? QE? Mid-American Energy? The Builder?

They do make childproof socket covers, but no one forces you to use them?

Should you be compelled to use them?
Electrical outlets already operate under standard product liability laws thus proving there is no reason guns can't too. Let's have the experts figure this out and get out of the way of all the progress the free market can bring us. Why do you hate free enterprise and love government regulations that pick winners and losers?

Then why is there not a child-proof electrical outlet in wide circulation?
 
Who should you sue if your child sticks their fingers in an electrical socket? Square D? QE? Mid-American Energy? The Builder?

They do make childproof socket covers, but no one forces you to use them?

Should you be compelled to use them?


Then why is there not a child-proof electrical outlet in wide circulation?
A quick google search shows there are. Perhaps an outlet isn't inherently as dangerous as you think. Perhaps there have been numerous safety factors already built in. Why don't we get the government out of the way and see if guns can't be made as safe as a wall outlet.
 
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Who should you sue if your child sticks their fingers in an electrical socket? Square D? QE? Mid-American Energy? The Builder?

They do make childproof socket covers, but no one forces you to use them?

Should you be compelled to use them?


Then why is there not a child-proof electrical outlet in wide circulation?
Ther are code in many places. That's why you might have a hard time pushing a plug into some outlets.
 
A quick google search shows there are. Perhaps an outlet isn't inherently as dangerous as you think. Perhaps there have been numerous safety factors already built in. Why don't we get the government out of the way and see if guns can't be made as safe as a wall outlet.

There are indeed, but not widely utilized.

Much like gun locks, trigger guards and safes/lockers.

So, I don't have any issues making guns bear the same product liability as electrical outlets, because much like outlets, the market has decided the responsibility is upon the homeowners awareness and willingness to act.

Again, why are we pursuing feel good solutions that bear no fruit?
 
There are indeed, but not widely utilized.

Much like gun locks, trigger guards and safes/lockers.

So, I don't have any issues making guns bear the same product liability as electrical outlets, because much like outlets, the market has decided the responsibility is upon the homeowners awareness and willingness to act.

Again, why are we pursuing feel good solutions that bear no fruit?
The market probably will decide that in most cases, but it hasn't yet spoken because the government has muzzled the market. And feeling good is important.
 
The market probably will decide that in most cases, but it hasn't yet spoken because the government has muzzled the market. And feeling good is important.

Well, then capitalism hasn't been given a fair shake if you're stipulating that the government is interloping.
 
Ban toddlers!:

This week a 2-year-old in South Carolina found a gun in the back seat of the car he was riding in and accidentally shot his grandmother, who was sitting in the passenger seat. This type of thing happens from time to time: a little kid finds a gun, fires it, and hurts or kills himself or someone else. These cases rarely rarely bubble up to the national level except when someone, like a parent, ends up dead.

But cases like this happen a lot more frequently than you might think. After spending a few hours sifting through news reports, I've found at least 43 instances this year of somebody being shot by a toddler aged 3 or less. In 31 of those 43 cases, a toddler found a gun and shot himself or herself.

In August, for instance, a 21-month-old in the St. Louis area found a loaded handgun at his grandmother's house and shot himself in the torso. His mother took him to a local hospital, where he was pronounced dead. Earlier in the year a Michigan 3-year-old found a loaded .40 caliber handgun in a closet while his dad and brother were outside. He shot himself in the head and died before rescue workers arrived.

The stories go on and on like this: roughly once a week this year, on average, a small child has found a gun, pointed it at himself or someone else, and pulled the trigger. Boys are disproportionately likely to do this: I could only find three cases where a girl under the age of 4 wounded someone with a gun. In 13 of the 43 total incidents, a child's self-inflicted injuries were fatal. In two other cases, another person died after being shot by a toddler: a father in Alabama, and a 1-year-old in Ohio.

In one instance, a three-year-old managed to wound both of his parents with a single gunshot at an Albuquerque motel.

imrs.php



Shootings by toddlers have happened in 24 states so far this year. Missouri has seen the most, with five separate incidents. Florida has had four. Texas, three. Due to the low number of total cases and the isolated nature of these incidents I'd caution against drawing broad conclusions from the map above. But it is worth noting that the shootings don't necessarily follow broader population trends. California, the most populous state in the nation, hasn't had any. Nobody has been shot by a toddler in New England or the Upper Midwest.

These numbers are probably an undercount. There are likely instances of toddlers shooting people that result in minor injuries and no media coverage. And there are probably many more cases where a little kid inadvertently shoots a gun and doesn't hit anyone, resulting in little more than a scared kid and (hopefully) chastened parents.

Notably, these numbers don't include cases where toddlers are shot, intentionally or otherwise, by older children or adults. Dozens of preschoolers are killed in acts of homicide each year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But I haven't included those figures here.

These cases are invariably referred to as "accidents" in media reports. But as Everytown for Gun Safety, a group that advocates for stricter gun laws, argues, many incidents like this are preventable. In a study of accidental shootings by children of all ages (not just toddlers), they estimate that "more than two-thirds of these tragedies could be avoided if gun owners stored their guns responsibly and prevented children from accessing them."

There are policy and technical responses to preventable childhood gun deaths as well. States and localities could require guns to be locked up at home, a policy supported by 67 percent of Americans. Various types of smart gun technology, which prevent anyone other than their owners from firing a given gun, exist as well. But gun lock requirements and smart guns have been vehemently opposed by the National Rifle Association and its allies.

Instead, the NRA continues to promote a response that seeks to solve gun problems with more guns, and aims to broaden the saturation of firearms in nearly every sphere of public and private life, from homes to schools to churches to bars to airports and beyond. In a country with more guns than people, it's only natural that a certain number of small children are going get their hands on an unsecured firearm, with tragic consequences.

Depending on where you stand on gun policy, you may feel that 13 dead toddlers in 10 months is too many. Or, you might reason that stuff happens, and that this is part of the price we must pay to protect our gun rights.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-weekly-basis-this-year/?tid=trending_strip_3
If the Grandma was armed this could have been prevented.
 
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