Perkins is 2-10 from the field over the last 2 games

[Franisdaman]

Tony's jump shot does not look good.

0-4 tonight.

2-6 vs Maryland.

But he's great at defense is the argument I continually hear on why he needs more playing time. Well, I suggest you go back and watch the Maryland game. Fatts Russell was getting by Tony with ease.

Everybody loves to rag on Jbo and Connor and their limitations. There's plenty of blame to go around.

 

[HawkRose]

Agreed but at least there is potentially room for improvement. We know JBOs ceiling and I would argue that Tony brings more rebounding and defense. What scoring is Jbo bringing these days... Connor brings experience, that it. Tony can gain that.

 

[LetsGoHawks83]

JBo was 4-11 the last 2 games.
1-5 vs. Maryland. Not sure if he took a shot from the field until garbage time tonight.

Connor 0-1 from the field the last 2 games

Sure, there's blame to go around, but these veterans are getting a lot of minutes and not producing.

 

[PlazaHawkeye]

tony>jbo sorry not sorry

 

[anon_qczsdwtnv6esw]

Perkins is only a sophomore, the other 2 have been on the team a combined 9 or 10 years(i lost count).
Connor shot 100% tonight.... 0 for 0.
But he did foul out so theres that!!

 

[goodbyebobby]

tony>jbo sorry not sorry

Tony over both of them, period.

Shooting comes and goes, neither of them are close to everything else he does.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Perkins getting extensive minutes at the D1 level for the first time in his career as a sophomore. Bohannon is in his sixth year and Connor his fifth. Yet, Perkins’ defensive box +/-, defensive win shares, and steal% all have him as a top 3 defender on the team. Not the problem

Fatts Russell is a fifth year senior playing like fifth year seniors are supposed to play

 

[HotelAlphaWilcoKilo]

Tony's jump shot does not look good.

0-4 tonight.

2-6 vs Maryland.

But he's great at defense is the argument I continually hear on why he needs more playing time. Well, I suggest you go back and watch the Maryland game. Fatts Russell was getting by Tony with ease.

Everybody loves to rag on Jbo and Connor and their limitations. There's plenty of blame to go around.

How 'bout you shutdafucup, "Coach," and bench yo' kids?

 

[anon_qczsdwtnv6esw]

Perkins getting extensive minutes at the D1 level for the first time in his career as a sophomore. Bohannon is in his sixth year and Connor his fifth. Yet, Perkins’ defensive box +/-, defensive win shares, and steal% all have him as a top 3 defender on the team. Not the problem

Fatts Russell is a fifth year senior playing like fifth year seniors are supposed to play

Im gonna change my name to Fatts Russell! That name rules!

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

I think Perkins has been banged up from about 3 games ago.

He’s lost his explosiveness form injury.

Murray will end up the same way as the season progresses.

 

[Franisdaman]

JBo was 4-11 the last 2 games.
1-5 vs. Maryland. Not sure if he took a shot from the field until garbage time tonight.

Connor 0-1 from the field the last 2 games

Sure, there's blame to go around, but these veterans are getting a lot of minutes and not producing.

And Tony's jump shot looks really bad and players with speed, like Fatts Russell, blow right by him. The tape does not lie.

Tony is in his 2nd year playing D1 ball. He should be able to stay in front of offensive players. Not being able to do so is a problem. There's no excuse for him, just like there's no excuse for Jbo or any other player.

Tony's jump shot is a problem. Defenders can back off and force him into jump shots, just like they do Connor.

 

[Franisdaman]

Perkins is only a sophomore, the other 2 have been on the team a combined 9 or 10 years(i lost count).
Connor shot 100% tonight.... 0 for 0.
But he did foul out so theres that!!

So, you are hoping Perkins will have a decent jump shot by his junior year then?

 

[Hawkfan_08]

And Tony's jump shot looks really bad and players with speed, like Fatts Russell, blow right by him. The tape does not lie.

Tony is in his 2nd year playing D1 ball. He should be able to stay in front of offensive players. Not being able to do so is a problem. There's no excuse for him, just like there's no excuse for Jbo or any other player.

Tony's jump shot is a problem. Defenders can back off and force him into jump shots, just like they do Connor.

I get what you are saying but I still don't see Perk being a long term liability on defense and even when hes broke, he has an ability to get to the rim.

None of our players look good playing 1v1 defense minus maybe Toussaint and Ulis.

 

[HawkLogic]

So, you are hoping Perkins will have a decent jump shot by his junior year then?

Perkins has a 2 game slump and CMAC has a career of tape saying hes a 23% 3pt shooter.

Perkins hasn't played well. I don't begrudge CMAC 15 minutes of PT in this beatdown. I do have
a problem with the team giving up 15 offensive rebounds and only getting 20 defensive rebounds. Second
shots is what made it an easy Wisconsin win.

Fran has to address defense/rebounding---the lineups he puts out there and the effort he demands plays a big part in what happens. Losing to Wisky at their place is not surprising, but playing poorly is not good.

 

[RocknRollface]

And Tony's jump shot looks really bad and players with speed, like Fatts Russell, blow right by him. The tape does not lie.

Tony is in his 2nd year playing D1 ball. He should be able to stay in front of offensive players. Not being able to do so is a problem. There's no excuse for him, just like there's no excuse for Jbo or any other player.

Tony's jump shot is a problem. Defenders can back off and force him into jump shots, just like they do Connor.

"The tape"?

A couple possessions from one game is "the tape"?

Seriously wtf are you even talking about?

Perkins is obviously a good on ball defender. Theres a year and a half worth of games to look at that makes that fact pretty obvious.

 

[anon_qczsdwtnv6esw]

So, you are hoping Perkins will have a decent jump shot by his junior year then?

One can hope! What year did Connor develop a decent jump shot?

 

[Franisdaman]

I get what you are saying but I still don't see Perk being a long term liability on defense and even when hes broke, he has an ability to get to the rim.

None of our players look good playing 1v1 defense minus maybe Toussaint and Ulis.

Shouldn't he be moving his feet when on defense, just like we say about JBo?

And teams are going to allow him to shoot jumpers, just like they do Connor.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Shouldn't he be moving his feet when on defense, just like we say about JBo?

And teams are going to allow him to shoot jumpers, just like they do Connor.

I disagree with you. Nobody will just let him shoot because he has the ability to knock it down. He's shooting 32% from 3, 44% in general and 90% from the line.

You compared him to Connor who is shooting 17% from 3 and 21% in general.

 

[Franisdaman]

Perkins has a 2 game slump and CMAC has a career of tape saying hes a 23% 3pt shooter.

Perkins hasn't played well. I don't begrudge CMAC 15 minutes of PT in this beatdown. I do have
a problem with the team giving up 15 offensive rebounds and only getting 20 defensive rebounds. Second
shots is what made it an easy Wisconsin win.

Fran has to address defense/rebounding---the lineups he puts out there and the effort he demands plays a big part in what happens. Losing to Wisky at their place is not surprising, but playing poorly is not good.

Actually, I think our opponents are just fine with both Connor & Tony taking 3 pointers.

We have been talking about lack of defense & lack of rebounding since Fran got here; I don't expect things to ever change, unfortunately.

 

[Franisdaman]

I disagree with you. Nobody will just let him shoot because he has the ability to knock it down. He's shooting 32% from 3, 44% in general and 90% from the line.

You compared him to Connor who is shooting 17% from 3 and 21% in general.

Opponents will try to prevent him from driving to the hoop; they'd rather he take a jump shot and they would really be happy if he settled for a 3 pointer.

 

[mtown66]

Perkins is only a sophomore, the other 2 have been on the team a combined 9 or 10 years(i lost count).
Connor shot 100% tonight.... 0 for 0.
But he did foul out so theres that!!

So, if you believe 0 for 0 is 100%, you must be a mathematician, right?

 

[HotelAlphaWilcoKilo]

And Tony's jump shot looks really bad and players with speed, like Fatts Russell, blow right by him. The tape does not lie.

Tony is in his 2nd year playing D1 ball. He should be able to stay in front of offensive players. Not being able to do so is a problem. There's no excuse for him, just like there's no excuse for Jbo or any other player.

Tony's jump shot is a problem. Defenders can back off and force him into jump shots, just like they do Connor.

Is Tony jacking at 6%, Franny? You need to skeedadle back to wherever it is that rebounding and defense don't matter.

 

[anon_qczsdwtnv6esw]

So, if you believe 0 for 0 is 100%, you must be a mathematician, right?

It was a joke. Keeping things lighthearted!

 

[Mohawkeye]

Actually, I think our opponents are just fine with both Connor & Tony taking 3 pointers.

We have been talking about lack of defense & lack of rebounding since Fran got here; I don't expect things to ever change, unfortunately.

I don’t think rebounding has been a problem for Fran‘s teams. This is the first year I can recall it being a consistent problem.

 

[goodbyebobby]

I don’t think rebounding has been a problem for Fran‘s teams. This is the first year I can recall it being a consistent problem.

Fair point but our D has usually been top notch 🤣
We play D like we're an ABA franchise.....

 

[farina1]

Tony's jump shot does not look good.

0-4 tonight.

2-6 vs Maryland.

But he's great at defense is the argument I continually hear on why he needs more playing time. Well, I suggest you go back and watch the Maryland game. Fatts Russell was getting by Tony with ease.

Everybody loves to rag on Jbo and Connor and their limitations. There's plenty of blame to go around.

It appears Tony P. has something going on with his right shoulder. Noticed last home game he was continually using the HyperVolt on it.

 

[twindman]

I think Tony started the season shooting extremely well. Then he slumped off and never recovered.

So there is hope his touch will return..... fingers crossed.

 

[Franisdaman]

I don’t think rebounding has been a problem for Fran‘s teams. This is the first year I can recall it being a consistent problem.

As another example: In 2017 we were 13th in the B1G and #221 nationally in defensive rebounding.

That is discussed is this thread:

Defensive Rebounding: Iowa ranks 13th in B1G & 221 Nationally, getting just 69% of def rebounds

Please watch our rebounding efforts; how often do you see Iowa players boxing out the opposition, with our butts making contact with the opposing player? Instead, to me any way, when the opposing player puts up a shot, we just turn and took for the ball and the opposing players run around us...

iowa.forums.rivals.com

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Opponents will try to prevent him from driving to the hoop; they'd rather he take a jump shot and they would really be happy if he settled for a 3 pointer.

But that is scouting. Perk attacks the rim and we know he is good off the bounce. Every coach would rather give up the lower % shot (outside) than let him attack. I just don't think it is fair to get after him for only 2 really poor games. Not trying to sound like I am being argumentative but if you had to shoot a 3 with Connor or Perk, who you taking? Who are you putting your worst defender on when they are both in the game?

 

[Mohawkeye]

As another example: In 2017 we were 13th in the B1G and #221 nationally in defensive rebounding.

That is discussed is this thread:

Defensive Rebounding: Iowa ranks 13th in B1G & 221 Nationally, getting just 69% of def rebounds

Please watch our rebounding efforts; how often do you see Iowa players boxing out the opposition, with our butts making contact with the opposing player? Instead, to me any way, when the opposing player puts up a shot, we just turn and took for the ball and the opposing players run around us...

iowa.forums.rivals.com

So two years out of 12?

 

[Lighting Hawk]

Was the point of this thread to disparage Tony in an effort to alleviate some of the criticism of JBo and CMac? I’m genuinely asking because it’s clear Tony has been in a slump, but are you trying to use Fatts Russell blowing by him one time (he did that to everyone on the floor in the Maryland game that stepped to him in the first half) as evidence he’s not as great of a defender? I’m confused lol.

Dude every player on this squad needs to be better defensively, there’s absolutely room for improvement everywhere. But like people pointed out, the old men with the double hip surgeries, back pain, and multiple sprained ankles are in their 5th and 6th years and weren’t getting it done on either end of the floor until 2:34 against the back ups. No reason Jbo plus 29 points when we need better defense. Or even Connor playing 15 minutes whie he tops the loser boards statistically on the team for every stat there is besides maybe D-W/S. Tony deserved more than he got last night, so did some other guys when the super seniors weren’t getting it done. That’s my opinion

 

[HawkLogic]

I don’t think rebounding has been a problem for Fran‘s teams. This is the first year I can recall it being a consistent problem.

Garza, Nunge, Weezy, Keegan were plus rebounders last year. So we lost our 3 best rebouders and I don't see Fran making his lineup with defense and rebounding in mind. He continues to play JBO and PMAC and they don't defend in man very well, then he goes zone to protect against dribble drive and rebounding is even worse.

I personally would like to see more of Mulvey because he looks like he is a bit of a rim protector and he also can sit around the paint and concentrate on reebounding.

I know he won't have any offense, but I can think of another guy that doesn't have offense and he plays a lot.

 

[Franisdaman]

So two years out of 12?

Well, you said there was only 1 year (this year) out of the 12 where rebounding has been a consistent problem. You said, and I quote, "I don’t think rebounding has been a problem for Fran‘s teams. This is the first year I can recall it being a consistent problem."

These are just some examples showing that rebounding has been an issue throughout his tenure:

* in 2015 we got outrebounded by Division II Augustana and lost. That thread: https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/rebounding-concerns.54848/

* In Feb 2016 defensive rebounding and giving up 2nd chance points cost us. Sound familiar to what's going on this year? That thread: https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/rebounding-concerns.54848/

* In Feb 2017 we gave up 16 offensive rebounds to Little Debbie and almost lost. That thread: https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/if-we-clean-up-our-rebounding-issues-just-imagine.180064/

* In 2021-2022, we have had all kinds of problems rebounding the basketball.


And over the 12 years, which year would you say looks good to you?

Rebounding Margin:

1.290: 2010-2011
0.343: 2011-2012
4.658: 2012-2013
6.969: 2013-2014
4.059: 2014-2015
0.849: 2015-2016
0.088: 2016-2017
5.060: 2017-2018
0.800: 2018-2019
2.200: 2019-2020
2.700: 2020-2021
1.100: 2021-2022



Source: https://hawkeyesports.com/sports/mbball/cumestats/season/2021-22/

 

[Franisdaman]

Was the point of this thread to disparage Tony in an effort to alleviate some of the criticism of JBo and CMac? I’m genuinely asking because it’s clear Tony has been in a slump, but are you trying to use Fatts Russell blowing by him one time (he did that to everyone on the floor in the Maryland game that stepped to him in the first half) as evidence he’s not as great of a defender? I’m confused lol.

Dude every player on this squad needs to be better defensively, there’s absolutely room for improvement everywhere. But like people pointed out, the old men with the double hip surgeries, back pain, and multiple sprained ankles are in their 5th and 6th years and weren’t getting it done on either end of the floor until 2:34 against the back ups. No reason Jbo plus 29 points when we need better defense. Or even Connor playing 15 minutes whie he tops the loser boards statistically on the team for every stat there is besides maybe D-W/S. Tony deserved more than he got last night, so did some other guys when the super seniors weren’t getting it done. That’s my opinion

If we are going to criticize JBo for not moving his feet on defense, which is fair, then we should be just as critical when Tony doesn't. Instead, we see excuses for him.

If we are going to criticize Connor for not being able to hit a jump shot, which is fair, then we should be just as critical when Tony is not hitting from outside. Instead, we see excuses for him.

And excuses are being made for Tony regarding his health and how that might be affecting his performance. Well, to be fair, Connor had been dealing with lower back pain and sprained ankles (how soon people forget!). But, it seems like no one wants to be "fair" and objective when it comes to the JBo and the coach's oldest son.

The double standards on here are very interesting, to say the least.

 

[jonesy5960]

If we are going to criticize JBo for not moving his feet on defense, which is fair, then we should be just as critical when Tony doesn't. Instead, we see excuses for him.

If we are going to criticize Connor for not being able to hit a jump shot, which is fair, then we should be just as critical when Tony is not hitting from outside. Instead, we see excuses for him.

And excuses are being made for Tony regarding his health and how that might be affecting his performance. Well, to be fair, Connor had been dealing with lower back pain and sprained ankles (how soon people forget!). But, it seems like no one wants to be "fair" and objective when it comes to the JBo and the coach's oldest son.

The double standards on here are very interesting, to say the least.

If Tony has a shoulder issue affecting his play then his minutes should reflect that until he heals up. I agree that his shot hasn't looked good the last 2 games. Having said that, if we are going to be fair, 2 games isn't a good metric for comparing the relative contributions and abilities of players. Even if we just use the metrics from the 4 conference games, Kris and Perkins along with Joe and Ulis look better than Cmac JBo and Pmac. As others have said the younger players will likely improve over time with minutes while the ceiling is set for JBo and Cmac. If things are going to improve it will have to come from them.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

The B1G teams that Iowa has played seem to make the 3 pt shot look easy. Hawks make it look extremely hard. Shooting 35% from 3 is not going to get it done for a team that can't play defense or rebound.

 

[BBHawk]

Tony is in a slump. All players go through that, he just needs to play through it.

 

[BBHawk]

The B1G teams that Iowa has played seem to make the 3 pt shot look easy. Hawks make it look extremely hard. Shooting 35% from 3 is not going to get it done for a team that can't play defense or rebound.

Would shooting 50+% from the 2 work?

😉

 

[HawkeyeInCentralIowa]

Tony's jump shot does not look good.

0-4 tonight.

2-6 vs Maryland.

But he's great at defense is the argument I continually hear on why he needs more playing time. Well, I suggest you go back and watch the Maryland game. Fatts Russell was getting by Tony with ease.

Everybody loves to rag on Jbo and Connor and their limitations. There's plenty of blame to go around.

Perkins is a good player who has hit a rough patch. JBO has been in a rough patch for over a year. Connor had more fouls than points this year. Need I say more?

 

[Mohawkeye]

Well, you said there was only 1 year (this year) out of the 12 where rebounding has been a consistent problem. You said, and I quote, "I don’t think rebounding has been a problem for Fran‘s teams. This is the first year I can recall it being a consistent problem."

These are just some examples showing that rebounding has been an issue throughout his tenure:

* in 2015 we got outrebounded by Division II Augustana and lost. That thread: https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/rebounding-concerns.54848/

* In Feb 2016 defensive rebounding and giving up 2nd chance points cost us. Sound familiar to what's going on this year? That thread: https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/rebounding-concerns.54848/

* In Feb 2017 we gave up 16 offensive rebounds to Little Debbie and almost lost. That thread: https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/if-we-clean-up-our-rebounding-issues-just-imagine.180064/

* In 2021-2022, we have had all kinds of problems rebounding the basketball.


And over the 12 years, which year would you say looks good to you?

Rebounding Margin:

1.290: 2010-2011
0.343: 2011-2012
4.658: 2012-2013
6.969: 2013-2014
4.059: 2014-2015
0.849: 2015-2016
0.088: 2016-2017
5.060: 2017-2018
0.800: 2018-2019
2.200: 2019-2020
2.700: 2020-2021
1.100: 2021-2022



Source: https://hawkeyesports.com/sports/mbball/cumestats/season/2021-22/

Lol. I see a lot of very good years, 3 mediocre and 2-3 bad before this year.

So you then point to a couple of individual games over 12 years to prove that rebounding has been a “consistent” recurring problem?

Thanks for making my argument for me. Its not been a consistent problem.