Peter Jok All Big

[Mohawkeye]

Jok is now up to 3rd in scoring, 3rd in steals and among the leaders in 3 point and free throw shooting. Meanwhile, Melo Trimble is down to 7th in A/T ratio, behind BOTH of our own Gesell and Clemmons. Watching Trimble last night, he was just atrocious, and that was not his first bad game.

I think Jok has just about punched his ticket alongside Uthoff on the All Big team. He will be in the preseason discussion for National POY next year. What a great job by the young man of working himself into an elite player.

 

[markfromj]

You talking about first team?

 

[Curt Furence]

https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/jok-deserves-1st-team.98718/page-2#post-2183098

 

[hexumhawk]

I don't see how you keep him off the first team at the SG spot.

 

[Mohawkeye]

You talking about first team?

Yes.

And I was aware of the other thread, I'd actually done one on it 3-4 weeks ago too, but I think those threads were played out. I thought it worthy of a new post based upon what I saw in Trimble last night

 

[Suterman]

If we win the conference championship Jok and Uthoff will be on the 1st team. If we don't, only Jarrod.

 

[Vbeachawk]

Much like I predicted Dev Marble would be a star when he was a freshman, I felt like PJ's shooting would eventually translate from high school to college. PJ could always shoot/score big time, it was his defense and stamina that held him back which was understandable given his health history ans asthma.

 

[spartan tim]

If we win the conference championship Jok and Uthoff will be on the 1st team. If we don't, only Jarrod.

Agreed. Jok has really turned into a nice player

 

[WORTHYWISH]

If he scores 20+ pts these next 4 games, it would be hard to keep him off the 1st team. When do they decide? After the B1G tourney?

 

[Mohawkeye]

Much like I predicted Dev Marble would be a star when he was a freshman, I felt like PJ's shooting would eventually translate from high school to college. PJ could always shoot/score big time, it was his defense and stamina that held him back which was understandable given his health history ans asthma.

Just goes to show you some people have better eyes for talent than others. I had the same impression on Jok and Marble. People tend to think of players as static and don't see the potential for improvement. I think of Baer the same way. I don't think he will project as first team All Big, but I see him becoming a 3rd teamer and capable of scoring 14-15 points a game as a senior, with good rebounding and shot blocking numbers.

 

[Curt Furence]

Much like I predicted Dev Marble would be a star when he was a freshman, I felt like PJ's shooting would eventually translate from high school to college. PJ could always shoot/score big time, it was his defense and stamina that held him back which was understandable given his health history ans asthma.

I give you props if you thought that about Marble because I remember watching games and he was throwing up bricks from 15 feet and his shot looked awful. He improved every year in every facet of his game.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Just goes to show you some people have better eyes for talent than others. I had the same impression on Jok and Marble. People tend to think of players as static and don't see the potential for improvement. I think of Baer the same way. I don't think he will project as first team All Big, but I see him becoming a 3rd teamer and capable of scoring 14-15 points a game as a senior, with good rebounding and shot blocking numbers.

I think when you see a young player able to separate and create, it's just a matter of time before that shot starts falling. I like Wagner, Uhl, and Baer's futures in this case. Our front court will be strong next year with those 3, Jok, and Jones (who already proved early on he belonged). That's before the additions of Cook, Pemsl, Hutton, and Kreiner. I like our future.

 

[Curt Furence]

I think when you see a young player able to separate and create, it's just a matter of time before that shot starts falling. I like Wagner, Uhl, and Baer's futures in this case. Our front court will be strong next year with those 3, Jok, and Jones (who already proved early on he belonged). That's before the additions of Cook, Pemsl, Hutton, and Kreiner. I like our future.

That is if Jones is able to come back. Did we ever get any news for sure on that? I know Fran was saying he was going to have some decisions to make and it wasn't his first knee injury.

If we did, forget my first comment.

 

[gojojo]

Melo Trimble is one of the most overrated players I have seen in the B1G in the last decade. I wouldn't touch him if I were an NBA GM.

 

[relishingwinning18]

That is if Jones is able to come back. Did we ever get any news for sure on that? I know Fran was saying he was going to have some decisions to make and it wasn't his first knee injury.

If we did, forget my first comment.

That quote was prior to his surgery. I believe he was saying in regards to playing through it this year or getting surgery. I could be wrong though.

 

[Ronman]

That is if Jones is able to come back. Did we ever get any news for sure on that? I know Fran was saying he was going to have some decisions to make and it wasn't his first knee injury.

If we did, forget my first comment.

I've heard McCaffery say that Jone's surgery went well and he is doing fine in his rehab.

 

[Curt Furence]

Melo Trimble is one of the most overrated players I have seen in the B1G in the last decade. I wouldn't touch him if I were an NBA GM.

That quote was prior to his surgery. I believe he was saying in regards to playing through it this year or getting surgery. I could be wrong though.

Ok, that is good, I must have missed that.

 

[mtdew_fever]

Jok next year as National POY? That might be a bit of a stretch.

During the conference season he's been as good as anyone in the Big 10, but he gets the benefit of playing with 4 seniors in the starting lineup. Without them next year, even if Jok scores 20 PPG, the team would still need to be a top 10 team for him to have a chance.....which just isn't likely.

A player Jok should watch a lot of in the off season is Buddy Hield to raise his game. They are similar players, although right now Hield is a better all around player (including shooter).

Jok is now up to 3rd in scoring, 3rd in steals and among the leaders in 3 point and free throw shooting. Meanwhile, Melo Trimble is down to 7th in A/T ratio, behind BOTH of our own Gesell and Clemmons. Watching Trimble last night, he was just atrocious, and that was not his first bad game.

I think Jok has just about punched his ticket alongside Uthoff on the All Big team. He will be in the preseason discussion for National POY next year. What a great job by the young man of working himself into an elite player.

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

I agree that Trimble is vastly overrated. Based on his actual play, he should be lucky if he's in the "Honorable Mention" list. The only thing Melo can do is drive into a defender, hope for a foul call, and hit a few FTs. Other than that, he's turnover machine and can't shoot for anything. Otherwise, yah, he's great, as he showed against Minny again last night. LOL

 

[WORTHYWISH]

When do they vote on this? Before of after the B1G Tourney?

These are the B1G only stats right now.

SCORING GP FG 3FG FT POINTS AVG./G
1. Denzel Valentine, Michigan State 11 85 42 19 231 21.0
2. Jarrod Uthoff, Iowa 14 90 26 65 271 19.4
3. Peter Jok, Iowa 14 85 39 52 261 18.6

 

[Gutt15]

Much like I predicted Dev Marble would be a star when he was a freshman, I felt like PJ's shooting would eventually translate from high school to college. PJ could always shoot/score big time, it was his defense and stamina that held him back which was understandable given his health history ans asthma.

I'd love to see the posts where you predicted that about Marble after his freshman year. If it's true then it was just dumb luck. He didn't look like a D1 player his freshman year. He made great strides between his freshman and sophomore year. You could really see his potential then but he showed nothing before that so I'm not buying it.

Jok had a track record in high school as being a top prospect as a freshman before inuries derailed his high school career and recruiting. I don't think his high level of play is a surprise to anybody.

 

[e720718998]

Both Sap and Mike put the brakes on PJ. Next year he will fall out of bed scoring 20. I could see him scoring in the mid 20s the rest of this season as well as next year as a senior. Fran loves seniors so the gloves will come off and he will shoot 18 to 25 shots a game and get to the line even more as his game expands.

 

[Mohawkeye]

I'd love to see the posts where you predicted that about Marble after his freshman year. If it's true then it was just dumb luck. He didn't look like a D1 player his freshman year. He made great strides between his freshman and sophomore year. You could really see his potential then but he showed nothing before that so I'm not buying it.

Jok had a track record in high school as being a top prospect as a freshman before inuries derailed his high school career and recruiting. I don't think his high level of play is a surprise to anybody.

Wasn't dumb luck. A lot of people saw the talent. But it was controversial.

 

[Gutt15]

Wasn't dumb luck. A lot of people saw the talent. But it was controversial.

I sure as hell don't recall anybody saying Marble was going to be a star after his freshman year. It sounds like another case of revisionist history to me.

 

[buttermypancakes]

Wasn't dumb luck. A lot of people saw the talent. But it was controversial.

Lol, you're really fishing for compliments. Great job, keep up the good work!

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Both Sap and Mike put the brakes on PJ. Next year he will fall out of bed scoring 20. I could see him scoring in the mid 20s the rest of this season as well as next year as a senior. Fran loves seniors so the gloves will come off and he will shoot 18 to 25 shots a game and get to the line even more as his game expands.

Pete has been a game changer, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Pete is a great shooter, when he can catch and shoot in rhythm. He has a beautiful, really quick release. In the past two years, Pete has gone from awful to inconsistent on drives and finishing near the basket. Contrary to what you seem to think, if Mike and Sapp weren't setting Pete up for shots, I think he would be lucky to be shooting 40% from the field. Pete might get more shots next year, but I am not sure that he will have players as good as Mike and Sapp getting him the ball for spot up jumpers. He will probably continue to improve his ability to drive and score around the basket.

The only chance Pete has to be first-team all B1G is for the Hawks to win the conference outright.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

I sure as hell don't recall anybody saying Marble was going to be a star after his freshman year. It sounds like another case of revisionist history to me.

I have to agree. Marble was terrible his freshman season. 38% from the field, 27% from three, and 53% from the foul line. He also struggled dribbling the ball in traffic.

Marble improved more than any other player I have seen at Iowa. He went from a guy who could barely hit a free throw to our best three point shooter.

I have a hard time believing anyone that says they predicted his game would develop like it did, because that kind of development happens maybe once every 10-20 years.

 

[buttermypancakes]

Pete has been a game changer, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Pete is a great shooter, when he can catch and shoot in rhythm. He has a beautiful, really quick release. In the past two years, Pete has gone from awful to inconsistent on drives and finishing near the basket. Contrary to what you seem to think, if Mike and Sapp weren't setting Pete up for shots, I think he would be lucky to be shooting 40% from the field. Pete might get more shots next year, but I am not sure that he will have players as good as Mike and Sapp getting him the ball for spot up jumpers. He will probably continue to improve his ability to drive and score around the basket.

The only chance Pete has to be first-team all B1G is for the Hawks to win the conference outright.

You're giving Mike way too much credit. It's not like he is the one drawing the defense off of Jok and then kicking it to him. Pete does all the hard work coming off screens and reading screens properly. All Mike has to do is get him the ball on time. That's why I don't see a huge drop off at PG next season. If anything having a PG that is a willing shooter next year will improve spacing and is either going to open up driving lanes when defenders don't help off Jok or if they do help he may not have to work as hard for all his buckets.

 

[Mohawkeye]

Lol, you're really fishing for compliments. Great job, keep up the good work!

Ok butter. You have a good day.

 

[Bearhawk0505]

Jok has developed into a really good player. However, if he is going to have better year next year, his teammates will have to play well also. Jok is limited in creating on his own due to his handles and quickness. We will need someone to break down the D, or we will have to play really good D to get him open looks in transition. As long as he plays to his strengths, he will put up points. He will be a marked man next year.

 

[soybean]

I sure as hell don't recall anybody saying Marble was going to be a star after his freshman year. It sounds like another case of revisionist history to me.

Yep. In fact, there were posters on this very board who said Dev was not D-I material and Iowa shouldn't recruit him.

 

[soybean]

Jok has developed into a really good player. However, if he is going to have better year next year, his teammates will have to play well also. Jok is limited in creating on his own due to his handles and quickness. We will need someone to break down the D, or we will have to play really good D to get him open looks in transition. As long as he plays to his strengths, he will put up points. He will be a marked man next year.

He is already a marked man...doesn't stop him though.

 

[DanL53]

I sure as hell don't recall anybody saying Marble was going to be a star after his freshman year. It sounds like another case of revisionist history to me.

OK, I'm putting you in charge of remembering that I said we are all going to be very happy that Christian Williams is our point guard. Don't forget.

I wasn't posting or reading on here Marble's freshman year, so I don't know about who said what. But I dang well know that people were high on Jok, others were down right convinced he'd be a bust. And we've had both kind of opinions with several players. Amazingly, it always seems to be the same posters with high evaluations, and the same with low. Maybe it's a coincidence, but here we are in first place....huh, what's that say?

So, don't forget. DanL53 says Christian Williams is going to be a heck of a good player for us.

 

[HawkLogic]

I'd love to see the posts where you predicted that about Marble after his freshman year. If it's true then it was just dumb luck. He didn't look like a D1 player his freshman year. He made great strides between his freshman and sophomore year. You could really see his potential then but he showed nothing before that so I'm not buying it.

Jok had a track record in high school as being a top prospect as a freshman before inuries derailed his high school career and recruiting. I don't think his high level of play is a surprise to anybody.

In High School, Dev put up 27 pts per game and had a dribble drive/floater game. You could see that in his HS highlights. After several years of Lickliter recruiting Cully Paynes and Bawinkels and playing Lil' Lick, Dev did look like he had star potential on a relative basis and had bloodlines.

My recollection is Marble handled ball pretty well for his size as Freshman, was able to get his shot off pretty easily, had some moves to basket, and was streaky from 3pt line as Freshman. He obviously had potential, and Iowa fans are quick to put their hopes on anyone with a pulse, especially following 3 years of Lickliter.

Even Ogelsby looked good at times as a Freshman. Fans always going to dream and then say I told you so later if things pan out.

p.s. I also predicted Dev would be a star after his Freshman year.

 

[downtown hawk redux]

Pete has been a game changer, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Pete is a great shooter, when he can catch and shoot in rhythm. He has a beautiful, really quick release. In the past two years, Pete has gone from awful to inconsistent on drives and finishing near the basket. Contrary to what you seem to think, if Mike and Sapp weren't setting Pete up for shots, I think he would be lucky to be shooting 40% from the field. Pete might get more shots next year, but I am not sure that he will have players as good as Mike and Sapp getting him the ball for spot up jumpers. He will probably continue to improve his ability to drive and score around the basket.

The only chance Pete has to be first-team all B1G is for the Hawks to win the conference outright.

It's amazing to me how dumb some people are about basketball. Holding him back? Oh well, we'll see about next year. One thing I do know...we will miss both Sapp and Gesell next year.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

OK, I'm putting you in charge of remembering that I said we are all going to be very happy that Christian Williams is our point guard. Don't forget.

I wasn't posting or reading on here Marble's freshman year, so I don't know about who said what. But I dang well know that people were high on Jok, others were down right convinced he'd be a bust. And we've had both kind of opinions with several players. Amazingly, it always seems to be the same posters with high evaluations, and the same with low. Maybe it's a coincidence, but here we are in first place....huh, what's that say?

So, don't forget. DanL53 says Christian Williams is going to be a heck of a good player for us.

Freshman-Jok was miles ahead of Freshman-Marble. Much better FG%, FT%, 3PT%, more points per minute, less turnovers per minute, etc.

What made Marble such a great player was his outside jumpshot and dribbling skills for someone with his size. His jumpshot looked broke his freshman year, and he did not display any flashes that would suggest he'd be a player capable of handling PG duties in the Big 10. Thus, it seems easy to call B.S. on someone claiming they could predict Marble's success by watching his freshman season. Furthermore, even if someone did predict Marble's success after his freshman season, that doesn't mean much other than that they had a lucky prediction - unless they can point to specific reasons they saw his potential. Given how much Marble changed his shot and improved his dribbling skills, I cannot find a valid reason as to how someone could have predicted Marble's amazing improvement in his game.

Lastly, while I have been critical of Marble's freshman season, I do so to highlight the tremendous amount of work he put in to improve his game. He was not ready for Big 10 basketball as a freshman, but by the end of his sophomore season he had turned into a very good player.

 

[DanL53]

Freshman-Jok was miles ahead of Freshman-Marble. Much better FG%, FT%, 3PT%, more points per minute, less turnovers per minute, etc.

What made Marble such a great player was his outside jumpshot and dribbling skills for someone with his size. His jumpshot looked broke his freshman year, and he did not display any flashes that would suggest he'd be a player capable of handling PG duties in the Big 10. Thus, it seems easy to call B.S. on someone claiming they could predict Marble's success by watching his freshman season. Furthermore, even if someone did predict Marble's success after his freshman season, that doesn't mean much other than that they had a lucky prediction - unless they can point to specific reasons they saw his potential. Given how much Marble changed his shot and improved his dribbling skills, I cannot find a valid reason as to how someone could have predicted Marble's amazing improvement in his game.

Lastly, while I have been critical of Marble's freshman season, I do so to highlight the tremendous amount of work he put in to improve his game. He was not ready for Big 10 basketball as a freshman, but by the end of his sophomore season he had turned into a very good player.

When I said I didn't post or read on here when Marble was a freshman, I should have added I WAS watching the games.

Freshman Marble was a better defender and ball handler right off the bat. You are right, Jok was a better shooter. As to turnovers, Marble was trying to keep the offense flowing.

This, "I cannot find a valid reason as to how someone could have predicted Marble's amazing improvement in his game.", really disappoints me. Fran worked very hard to keep Marble committed to Iowa after he was hired for a reason.

With respect, I have to say that whether you find "valid reason" or not isn't particularly important. If you want to say YOU didn't see reason to expect "amazing" improvement in his game I'd have no complaint. But my take on this is you just stepped on top of Coach McCaffery's assessment ability's, you almost attribute Marble's success story at Iowa to some miracle.

"Amazing"? Goodness, you must be used to that by now under the McCaffery program.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

In High School, Dev put up 27 pts per game and had a dribble drive/floater game. You could see that in his HS highlights. After several years of Lickliter recruiting Cully Paynes and Bawinkels and playing Lil' Lick, Dev did look like he had star potential on a relative basis and had bloodlines.

My recollection is Marble handled ball pretty well for his size as Freshman, was able to get his shot off pretty easily, had some moves to basket, and was streaky from 3pt line as Freshman. He obviously had potential, and Iowa fans are quick to put their hopes on anyone with a pulse, especially following 3 years of Lickliter.

Even Ogelsby looked good at times as a Freshman. Fans always going to dream and then say I told you so later if things pan out.

p.s. I also predicted Dev would be a star after his Freshman year.

In essentially the same amount of minutes per game, Oglesby averaged more PPG, had a higher FG% (by 2%), higher 3PT% (by 10%), higher FT% (by 19%), and had a 2.75 assist/turnover ratio compared to Marble's 1.18.

Virtually every freshman in the Lickliter and McCaffery eras have had more efficient freshman seasons than Marble had.

Did it look like Marble had potential? Yeah, I don't think many people wrote him off after his freshman season, especially since he didn't turn 18 until over half way through the year. However, it was anything but clear that he'd turn into a First Team Big 10 player and future NBA draft pick.

I find it difficult to over-emphasize how incredible Marble's improvement in perimeter skills was. I can't name a perimeter-oriented player that improved more during his time at Iowa in the last 20+ years.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

When I said I didn't post or read on here when Marble was a freshman, I should have added I WAS watching the games.

Freshman Marble was a better defender and ball handler right off the bat. You are right, Jok was a better shooter. As to turnovers, Marble was trying to keep the offense flowing.

This, "I cannot find a valid reason as to how someone could have predicted Marble's amazing improvement in his game.", really disappoints me. Fran worked very hard to keep Marble committed to Iowa after he was hired for a reason.

With respect, I have to say that whether you find "valid reason" or not isn't particularly important. If you want to say YOU didn't see reason to expect "amazing" improvement in his game I'd have no complaint. But my take on this is you just stepped on top of Coach McCaffery's assessment ability's, you almost attribute Marble's success story at Iowa to some miracle.

"Amazing"? Goodness, you must be used to that by now under the McCaffery program.

In the past 20+ years, what Iowa player have you witnessed that has improved his perimeter skills more than Marble did? I happen to think that making such a prediction in a player's development is unrealistic.

Further, there is a large difference between improving to be a good player, and improving to be a star player that become First Team All Big 10 and NBA draft pick. I never questioned why Marble was brought to Iowa. I always expected him to become at least an average Big 10 player.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Pete has been great, especially of late when Uthoff's torrid scoring pace has fallen off. If Pete goes for 20+ per game down the stretch he should be on.
But we all know that politics plays a big role in these all whatever team choices. So, even if he's deserving on the merits, he may not make it as a first teamer.