I think you are underestimating the number of shots Jok will get on an inexperienced team. Last year he shot 12.4 per game, and he and Uthoff averaged over 27 shots per game between them. If Peter manages to improve his handles and his role expands as Fran has talked about, he may get more shots than Jarrod's average 14.7 per game.
Peter Jok will lead the Big10 Conf is scoring
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Don't bet strangers, but giving 3 to 1 odds for Pete versus all other players in the B1G is a sucker bet, and those betting against Pete would not be the suckers. Unless Pete's improves his handles a lot, he is going to have a much tougher time getting open shots. I hope we don't see Pete chucking up 20+ shots/game, because that will probably mean that the rest of the team can't score.
Your posts cannot be taken seriouslyIf Peter improves........and I believe that our Staff is great at developing a talent, like
Pete, he'll easily lead the BIG10 in scoring.
You can make book on it, actually.
GO HAWKS
For those keeping score this thread includes:
Four posts from Iowa State fans, one each from Mich St, Indiana and what I assume is a Badger fan if not just a random basher. And four more from what I presume from his history is one of these Iowa State/Iowa I like 'em equally types.
25% of the posts before even getting into subject matter.
If one removes those it appears about 50/50 whether Jok will lead the Big Ten in scoring or not.
Four posts from Iowa State fans, one each from Mich St, Indiana and what I assume is a Badger fan if not just a random basher. And four more from what I presume from his history is one of these Iowa State/Iowa I like 'em equally types.
25% of the posts before even getting into subject matter.
If one removes those it appears about 50/50 whether Jok will lead the Big Ten in scoring or not.
You are right, and I worded my post poorly. What I meant to say is that 12 shots should be about the floor for Peter in every game. When he's hot, I think you could see something closer to 17-20.
I absolutely think Peter will average more shots per game than Jarrod averaged this past year. We saw throughout Uthoff's career that he was a little reluctant in taking on the leading scorer role. Jok has never been gun-shy, even when he was a freshman. Jok does not have elite athleticism, ball skills, or size to simply shoot over people, so at times he struggles to create good looks for himself - however Jok's quick release is elite which means he can get off a lot of shots in tight spaces, even if he hasn't created much room for himself.
The main thing I could see limiting Jok's ppg is his playing time. Pete, at times, has struggled with his conditioning as I believe he has an acute case of asthma. Uthoff averaged nearly 32 minutes per game last year, and Haluska averaged nearly 35 minutes per game his senior season. I remember Alford strategically used timeouts in that 06/07 season to give the starters a rest as we had a short rotation of players. Fran is notorious for disliking to use timeouts, and he has shown that he is not afraid to use a lot of bench players. If Peter doesn't average more than 30 minutes per game, then I think he tops out around 18 ppg.
Are you suggesting a non-Hawk fan can't provide an unbiased opinion?
I don't think any of us is contending Jok won't be good next year.
I don't think any of us is contending Jok won't be good next year.
For those keeping score this thread includes:
Four posts from Iowa State fans, one each from Mich St, Indiana and what I assume is a Badger fan if not just a random basher. And four more from what I presume from his history is one of these Iowa State/Iowa I like 'em equally types.
25% of the posts before even getting into subject matter.
If one removes those it appears about 50/50 whether Jok will lead the Big Ten in scoring or not.
I am not suggesting it. I'm well past, long ago, the notion of suggesting it. I believe it firmly and base much of my my judgement of what people write on here on if they are Hawkeye fans or not. If not...I give the post absolutely no merit, trust, or worth.
In other words, if one is not a Hawkeye fan and is dumb enough to post in Hawkeye Report, I already think that person is an idiot.
Before last season I was concerned about asthma keeping Pete's minutes down, but in a recent interview Fran indicated he could see him play 36 minutes per game, given conditioning and proper diet. IMO Pete has the range, and offensive tools to get 15 shots in 29-30 minutes per game, but only want to see that if he's shooting a good %.
If Peter is in great shape and stronger, I want him taking 20 shots a game. He is a great shooter but not a great scorer, To be a great scorer he must be able to create is own shot and score in traffic. Ball handling and strength will help him achieve his goals.
Yeah I think ball handling is the biggest key. You don't have to be crazy strong. Look at Curry and Durant for two examples. The key is how good your handles are. If can improve that area of his game he can definitely have a special senior season. The ball should be in his hands as much as possible next year.
No doubt Jok will have shots.
Just for a comparison, only 1 player in D-I Men's college basketball in the past 5 years has averaged 20 shots per game for the season.
Just for a comparison, only 1 player in D-I Men's college basketball in the past 5 years has averaged 20 shots per game for the season.
Last year half of Jok's 397 shots were inside the arc. IMO he's pretty good at scoring traffic.
The first one I thought of as a volume shooter was Jimmer Fredette, but he graduated 6 seasons ago. He did average over 20 shots per game.
I personally like it when Iowa State fans and fans of other B1G schools post their perspectives (provided they aren't here just to troll). It's interesting to read how others view Iowa whose opinions aren't filtered through black n gold colored lenses.
FWIW, most of them seem pretty fair and objective when posting. From what I've read at least.
FWIW, most of them seem pretty fair and objective when posting. From what I've read at least.
Getting stronger will make him an elite scorer because he will get more normal 3 point plays. I don't disagree with you I just think that over half his shots should be closer to the basket.
No doubt better ball handling would get him better shots. I just think some don't appreciate how good he was at scoring inside the arc as a Jr. You can count me one though, that was uncomfortable with Peter trying to dribble much before shooting.
If Peter improves........and I believe that our Staff is great at developing a talent, like
Pete, he'll easily lead the BIG10 in scoring.
You can make book on it, actually.
GO HAWKS
Andre Woolridge led the league with 20.2 pts. per game and 6+ assists per game his senior season in 96-97' The cool thing about this is it had never been done by anyone in The Big Ten up to that point. Played overseas in Europe. great point guard for Iowa!
I'd put an * on that, as Assists were not kept as an official stat till the late 70's I believe.
That said, it was still mighty impressive feat for Dre'
The player that averaged 20 shots per game was some no-name guy from Old Dominion.
Even high level shooter/scorers like Buddy Hield didn't shoot that many. My guess is that Hield would have, but he went to the line enough to cut his FG attempts down.
Actually, if Jok improves, Buddy Hield is the type of guy that he should try to be like. Hield was an outstanding shooter and had a competent not great dribble drive.
Even high level shooter/scorers like Buddy Hield didn't shoot that many. My guess is that Hield would have, but he went to the line enough to cut his FG attempts down.
Actually, if Jok improves, Buddy Hield is the type of guy that he should try to be like. Hield was an outstanding shooter and had a competent not great dribble drive.
^^^^ Yeah, I've been mentioning Hield. I think Jok is the kind of shooter that the more attempts he gets the better he will be.
This is MY thread isn't it? Looks like you're the one with the credibility izzzues, once again.
And kind of a creeper/stalker type ?
GO HAWKS
Credibility issues?This is MY thread isn't it? Looks like you're the one with the credibility izzzues, once again.
And kind of a creeper/stalker type ?
GO HAWKS
Jok will lead the Hawkeyes in scoring because he has to. The fact that he may average 18 points a game still may not be enough to get you into the big dance. And unless you have a reliable second scorer emerge, opposing coaches will double-team Jok and take away his freedom of movement and hinder his shot selection. Jok is a complementary player not a playmaker or leader. Haluska and Uttoff were both leaders and Jok benefited from being in a supportive role. Remember, he didn't impress enough people at the NBA combine to stay in the draft. Most players who are all big 10 caliber have reached NBA skill level already. When he is asked to step up into this new role of being "the man" he may find life is much different. If I am coaching against Iowa, I would focus entirely on shutting him down, and make one of your other less experienced, less talented players beat me.
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As a Junior, White was not considered a go to guy. And some posters lamented losing Marble who was our "only guy" who could create shots. Our Big Ten results shot up from 9-9 to 12-6 with White as a senior. Meanwhile his Junior wingman Uthoff was too shy to take shots, too quiet to lead. So Uthoff decides to be a third team All-American and meanwhile Jok is one dimensional, etc., etc. And there is a brief history of College basketball.
Regarding being NBA ready if one makes All Big Ten? I presume you mean first team but even then I must point out you are talking about two different animals. Certain skills in college do not translate.
Many successful teams have been scoring by committee. Jok can get his 20+ points and the rest can come in groups of 11, 10, 9. In fact I suggest that would be better than another "primary" option.
And finally, a team taking away freedom of movement is actually committing fouls. For half a season last year your coach was complaining like crazy about too many fouls being called, then he all of a sudden got real quiet. Iowa fans should hope that this time the refs stick to their guns all season long. I doubt it though, one could see the panic in Delaney's face when for a brief moment in the season Wisconsin and Michigan State were getting their butts kicked.
Wow, a lot of vitriol directed at a fairly benign post. It's very difficult for any diehard fan to step away from their team and look at their prospects objectively. Iowa lost a lot of talent this spring, and you're replacing it with mostly untested players. The B1G Will have four very good teams this fall, ( Wisconsin, MSU, Purdue, Indiana) and two good teams who could breakthrough in Maryland and Michigan. I think most observers put Iowa in the next group along with Ohio State, Nebraska, Illinois, Penn State, all of whom have young talent that needs to gell for the team to be successful. For Iowa to be one of those breakout teams, they're going to need a lot of questions answered this season.
^^^^ No vitriol intended. Some disagreement is all. I do agree that MSU, Wisconsin, Indiana, Purdue will be the top four. I'm not yet sold on Maryland or Michigan as even a second tier over Iowa. And I'm not sold on Iowa being mixed amongst the Ohio States etc.
Let me be very clear about something, just a heads up incase you aren't aware. Indiana had by far the easiest schedule in the Big Ten last season, they won the league. Three games back were Wisconsin and Iowa who had the toughest schedules by far.
Compare this:
Last year, overall record of Big Ten opponents during regular season? 171-153.
Indiana? Overall record of opponents in their eighteen games? 148-176.
This coming year Iowa will play Indiana, Michigan State and Purdue just once. We may play Wisconsin just once. We get to play Rutgers and Illinois twice and maybe Minnesota. In short. We might get an easy, or REALLY easy Big Ten schedule.
Lastly, we will get a lot of questions answered this season, we need our share to be positive answers.
Just for fun here are a few more opponents records last season:
Illinois: 162-162
Maryland: 168-156
Michigan: 159-165
I miss the days of round robin schedules.
Let me be very clear about something, just a heads up incase you aren't aware. Indiana had by far the easiest schedule in the Big Ten last season, they won the league. Three games back were Wisconsin and Iowa who had the toughest schedules by far.
Compare this:
Last year, overall record of Big Ten opponents during regular season? 171-153.
Indiana? Overall record of opponents in their eighteen games? 148-176.
This coming year Iowa will play Indiana, Michigan State and Purdue just once. We may play Wisconsin just once. We get to play Rutgers and Illinois twice and maybe Minnesota. In short. We might get an easy, or REALLY easy Big Ten schedule.
Lastly, we will get a lot of questions answered this season, we need our share to be positive answers.
Just for fun here are a few more opponents records last season:
Illinois: 162-162
Maryland: 168-156
Michigan: 159-165
I miss the days of round robin schedules.
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I think for the most part you are spot on. It will be important for a second scoring threat to emerge along with a couple players who can contribute consistently. All question marks at this point.
However, I disagree with your point regarding the significant loss of Uthoff as a leader and #1 scoring threat (at least in the traditional sense) for this reason: questions centering on who was going to step up and fill that "go-to guy" role have followed the Hawkeyes from season to season since the graduation of Roy Marble Jr. Aaron White was always considered "Robin" prior to his senior year and many doubted he could step up in leadership. He did. Jarrod Uthoff was always viewed as "Robin" until the departure of White, and many questioned if he could be "the guy" on the last year's team. For the most part, he was. Lo and behold, those questions are now surrounding Peter Jok. And to be perfectly honest, Jok showed more leadership and swagger in terms of being a "go-to guy" last season than any of his aforementioned predecessors did during their junior campaigns.
In short, barring something unforeseen (lingering injury i.e.) Jok will lead this team just fine. The question marks will be who will step up in that supporting role as a second scoring threat and who will emerge as a consistent contributor. All good questions at this point.
No worries..........it is going to be Bomb's away for Pete this season.
He'll have a Huge senior season, as did J Uthoff.
Go Hawks
Im all about this.......shoot it Pete shoot it!!No worries..........it is going to be Bomb's away for Pete this season.
He'll have a Huge senior season, as did J Uthoff.
Go Hawks
I'm in on that. He won't lead the B1G in scoring.That's my prediction.
Anyone want to get in on some action, with my
3 to 1 odss on Pete?
GO HAWKS !!!
I like his chances if we can ever get guards with the ability to penetrate and kick it back out, and a post who is a threat to finish down low. Pete won't have any breathing room without them. Looking forward to an interesting year, and significant improvement as the season progresses.
