I personally can't wait to see the meltdown on this board IF we lose to Pitt. I am not 100% giving up on Ferentz yet, although I'm about 90% there, just because you never know what can happen if we get a few bounces to go our way. While there justified concern around the program I'm not giving up quite yet. With how unpredicable this team is I don't see any reason why we couldn't run through noncon unscathed. Not in any way saying I think this will happen but, who really knows? What I'm trying to say is don't give up quite yet. Now, if we don't make a bowl next year then EVERYBODY PANIC! Sex Cannon 2015
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Good point. I sure hope we won't blow that one (I could see it happening though). Iowa State second game of the season will be tough, no doubt. But, Pitt is the first "big" home game and losing it will set the tone for attendance and overall fan following the rest of the season IMO. I guess the boards will probably meltdown more if we lose to Iowa State again though.
Honestly I'm not sure I see any of our games as a sure win at this point. I went into the Central Michigan game in 2012 fully expecting a win and that didn't work out so well. ISU had one of or maybe the worst major conference programs in the country last year and they came into Kinnick and beat us. Many, many more examples I could cite. I'm not sure that anything has changed with the program to make me think all of that changes next year. I already melted down a long time ago. A loss to Pitt next year won't get much of a rise out of me.
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Honest question, is that enough for you? We got to 7 wins last season without beating a FBS team with a winning record. Next years schedule doesn't increase much in difficulty.
Iowa State is the bigger one. If we lose in Ames, that makes it 1-4 against the Clones in the last half decade. If Iowa goes 2-0 and then loses to Pitt, fans will be pissed, but not ready to bust out the pitchforks, yet.
If Iowa loses to a a terrible Iowa State team again, I'm predicting the biggest meltdown this board has ever seen, and we have seen some pretty epic meltdowns.
If Iowa loses to a a terrible Iowa State team again, I'm predicting the biggest meltdown this board has ever seen, and we have seen some pretty epic meltdowns.
Last year it definitely wasn't enough considering Wiscy and Nebby were at home. And I definitely expect more from this program, no doubt. Next year I honestly don't know what to expect as the consistency in football AND basketball is atrocious. To answer your question, 6 wins will be enough to keep me interested but obviously would like the program to be in a more favorable position to where 6 wins is unacceptable. As much as we like to think it already is, it's not. Especially with the favorable schedule we have been given. Although playing down to our competition has been a continuous problem so maybe when we get back to playing our hard B10 schedule we will step up? Doubtful (LOL) as a lot has to change before we are a perennial West division challenger. The really sad part is these are the years we COULD be racking up division titles and aren't capitalizing to say the least.
Iowa could lose to the Patriots and there are some on this board that would still have a meltdown. Get used to it.
Got to love the HR-Football board fanbase these days.
February and they "can't wait" to see a loss.
February and they "can't wait" to see a loss.
IA vs ISU since 2002
2002 loss Banks was the QB
2003 win Chandler was the QB
2004 win Tate was the QB
2005 loss Tate was the QB
2006 win Tate was the QB
2007 loss JC was the QB
2008 win Stanzi was the QB
2009 win Stanzi
2010 win Stanzi
2011 loss JVB was the QB
2012 loss JVB was the QB
2013 win JR was the QB
2014 loss JR was the QB
the last 10 years IA is 5-5 the last 13 IA is 7-6 and after the beginning KF is 7-9 all time
sure the pessimists will only show 3 out of the last 4 but the optimists will point out that IA is 4-3 the last 7 years. the realist look at the entire body of work, ISU went on a 5 game winning streak against IA starting in HF last season, take out that 4 game skid to start KF's tenure he is 7-5 since that skid, and was until the last 4 years KF was 6-2 .vs ISU
2002 loss Banks was the QB
2003 win Chandler was the QB
2004 win Tate was the QB
2005 loss Tate was the QB
2006 win Tate was the QB
2007 loss JC was the QB
2008 win Stanzi was the QB
2009 win Stanzi
2010 win Stanzi
2011 loss JVB was the QB
2012 loss JVB was the QB
2013 win JR was the QB
2014 loss JR was the QB
the last 10 years IA is 5-5 the last 13 IA is 7-6 and after the beginning KF is 7-9 all time
sure the pessimists will only show 3 out of the last 4 but the optimists will point out that IA is 4-3 the last 7 years. the realist look at the entire body of work, ISU went on a 5 game winning streak against IA starting in HF last season, take out that 4 game skid to start KF's tenure he is 7-5 since that skid, and was until the last 4 years KF was 6-2 .vs ISU
This is beyond stupid, even for you Kilroy. Lets look at the entire body of work, but not that four game skid when he started or those last few years when he didn't win. 6-2 sounds about right.
So if we cherry pick the years we are counting then we can say KF is 7-5 against ISU. That's an embarrassing record in and of itself even if we weren't cherry picking the years. What is ISU's record against other BCS teams over that same time period? I'm too lazy to look it up but I would imagine it's far, far below their record against us.
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What lame cherry picking!
KF owns the record against the 'clones IN ITS ENTIRETY during his tenure. And it's unimpressive.
As far as next year, although isu will again be bad, I expect most likely they'll lose in ames. Actually, it wouldn't surprise me for them to lose any of the games. illinois state and north texas aren't gimmes.
KF owns the record against the 'clones IN ITS ENTIRETY during his tenure. And it's unimpressive.
As far as next year, although isu will again be bad, I expect most likely they'll lose in ames. Actually, it wouldn't surprise me for them to lose any of the games. illinois state and north texas aren't gimmes.
Find a hobby man, learn how to whittle or something. Sit on your front porch and yell at the squirrel's, while making adorable wooden sculptures of them.
Or maybe create elaborate mazes and obstacle courses for said squirrels to get to that dried corn cob reward you put at the end.
That would be fun.
KF specializes in getting better in November. ISU is just lucky that it takes a few games for offensive lines to gel and such. This year we will be breaking in to new offensive tackles. It will also be their Super Bowl. Iowa is focused on winning B10 championships. Remember the year that we lost to ISU and went to the Orange Bowl?
(all things I expect to hear after the ISU game/possibly both ISU games)
Haha - these are all things I think you used to be able to make a case for. Our bad results against ISU used to be a head scratcher compared to the rest of our results. But the last few years ISU is not exactly the only bad team we have struggled with. We also nearly lost to a bad Ball St team last year, among many other examples.
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They're all 'head scratchers. That's why we play the games. It's just as hard to explain how we destroyed NW (who beat Wisconsin. Notre Dame and routed Penn St.) as it is to explain how we got routed by Minny. It's a goofy game, BUT IT'S JUST A GAME, ENJOY IT.
Why worry? Kirk has his "eye on the ball" now that he's done "fund raising for the new football complex". And look how much that $53 million complex impacted recruiting!! BOOYAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With a new running game coordinator I see us winning the west in the Big 10. After all, our AD said we have a strong nucleus for next year.
With a new running game coordinator I see us winning the west in the Big 10. After all, our AD said we have a strong nucleus for next year.
Why do people keep coming on here and think they speak for others or are in the majority? Who is 'most of us'? Please support this statement. Are you talking about posters to this site? Well, you need to provide a list or poll with over 1800 names (just an estimate) on it who have 'melted' to constitute your 'most of us'.claim. I'll wait. Try not to be long.
You state this as a fact. It is not fact. It is merely speculation, a 'feeling'. Why not just speak for yourself and state your OPINION since you cannot possibly know the thoughts of nearly 3700 posters.
Who says there are 'needed changes'? Who decides the 'needed' changes? You? Some overzealous fanatics who pretend they know something about running a major college football program? I'll leave it to the 'experts' and so should you.
And once again, state an opinion (I feel some changes need to be made), not "the needed changes'.
Always trying to help and it's alway interesting and
This post was edited on 2/18 3:56 PM by MattFoleyHawk
I alluded to the issues that will pose Iowa problems in my original post and I will go into more depth for you.
First, the Iowa game has an elevated importance to Iowa State. They will spend a lot of time in their off season and in their fall practices preparing for Iowa. Iowa has a tendency to come out and play Iowa State like just another game. Iowa has a tendency to come out in these games flat while Iowa State plays the game with more emotion. This level of prep and emotion matters (see ISU vs Iowa results).
I don't believe Jack Trice is normally an imposing place to play. The Iowa game is different. They will sell out and it will be significantly more louder than normal. This could cause problems for our new offensive tackles. I reasonably person would expect that new tackles will be more prone to false start and holding penalties. Iowa is historically bad when they get behind on down and distance.
I expect Iowa State to attack the center of the field with Iowa breaking in new DTs, MLB, and safety positions. I think Cooper and Johnson are good, but the depth behind them is still a question mark. I also expect Iowa State to attempt to match up WRs on LBs and take advantage of containment when Nate Meier is in the game.
I put Iowa's odds in the game at 70-30 for the win. I know that many will find this laughable because they are lowly Iowa State but this is better than KF's career win percentage. It is not a compliment to have a 30% chance at loosing to one of the poorest programs in college football. That is if CJB is the starting QB. I think his skill set and ability to throw over the top of the defense makes Iowa harder to defend. If JR is the QB then I'd put it around 50-50. It is too easy for opposing defenses to stack the box against him knowing that he doesn't take many shots more than 15 yards down field in the air.
Well now you are really confusing. You EXPECTED Iowa to lose, but now give them 70% chance of winning?
Or are you giving them 30% chance of loosing? Is that like shttng on the field, as in, loosing bowels?
Even with JR you give them 50%, so you don't, in fact, expect them to lose.
THAT was what I was questioning, not your snarky response derived from angry Iowa fans. I am questioning why you would expect the team to lose when they have (still abysmal) a .500 record at Trice. You seem to have answered, you don't.
Here are the results for Kirk Ferentz against ISU. W or L indicates Iowa's result against the Clones and the record is ISU's against other BCS/Power 5 teams that year (as those teams were considered at the time)
99 L 1-7
00 L 6-3
01 L 4-5
02 L 4-5
03 W 0-8
04 W 5-4
05 L 4-4
06 W 1-7
07 L 2-6
08 W 0-8
09 W 4-5
10 W 3-5
11 L 4-7
12 L 3-6
13 W 2-7
14 L 0-9
Kirk Ferentz's nine losses have come to ISU teams which have combined to go 28-52 against other BCS teams in those years.
99 L 1-7
00 L 6-3
01 L 4-5
02 L 4-5
03 W 0-8
04 W 5-4
05 L 4-4
06 W 1-7
07 L 2-6
08 W 0-8
09 W 4-5
10 W 3-5
11 L 4-7
12 L 3-6
13 W 2-7
14 L 0-9
Kirk Ferentz's nine losses have come to ISU teams which have combined to go 28-52 against other BCS teams in those years.
Originally posted by ChrisVarick:
I alluded to the issues that will pose Iowa problems in my original post and I will go into more depth for you.
First, the Iowa game has an elevated importance to Iowa State. They will spend a lot of time in their off season and in their fall practices preparing for Iowa. Iowa has a tendency to come out and play Iowa State like just another game. Iowa has a tendency to come out in these games flat while Iowa State plays the game with more emotion. This level of prep and emotion matters (see ISU vs Iowa results).
Not that you need my endorsement, but I agree
I don't believe Jack Trice is normally an imposing place to play. The Iowa game is different. They will sell out and it will be significantly more louder than normal. This could cause problems for our new offensive tackles. I reasonably person would expect that new tackles will be more prone to false start and holding penalties. Iowa is historically bad when they get behind on down and distance.
Good points.
I expect Iowa State to attack the center of the field with Iowa breaking in new DTs, MLB, and safety positions. I think Cooper and Johnson are good, but the depth behind them is still a question mark. I also expect Iowa State to attempt to match up WRs on LBs and take advantage of containment when Nate Meier is in the game.
Bazata played more than Johnson last year. Will start. Cooper, while talented, is the question mark, imho, because of having to sit a year. And for the umpteenth time, in iowa's scheme the DE's do not have 'contain' and do not 'set an edge'. I've explained their responsibilities and technique numerous times per coach Morgan. Iowa has 'force' players (usually corner or safety depending on what coverage they're in). I don't totally disagree with you're thoughts, just adding some information.
I put Iowa's odds in the game at 70-30 for the win. I know that many will find this laughable because they are lowly Iowa State but this is better than KF's career win percentage. It is not a compliment to have a 30% chance at loosing to one of the poorest programs in college football. That is if CJB is the starting QB. I think his skill set and ability to throw over the top of the defense makes Iowa harder to defend. If JR is the QB then I'd put it around 50-50. It is too easy for opposing defenses to stack the box against him knowing that he doesn't take many shots more than 15 yards down field in the air.
Not arguing, but do you know if they even had someone running a route longer than 15yds on some of those plays? Some of those are just 2 or 3 man routes and they don't have someone running a deep route. I think they 'loosen' up the play book a little more when CJB is in because of his different abilities. Just my opinion from my observations and some things I have read. Pretty fair assessment though....
I concur. They may have they most talented QB/RB combo that the hawks may see all year. Won't Pitt be breaking in ANOTHER new coach?
This seems to be true.
I wonder who the other two D1 recruits are besides Spearman.
Another ISU to worry about.
That's pretty much what I would have expected the results to look like. Every loss since 2005 has been a really bad loss. Of course, maybe we are just lucky we don't play a directional Michigan school every year of who knows how many of those losses we would have been accumulating over that same time period.
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I don't think there is any luck involved as to who Iowa plays. I believe they schedule the teams in advance?
