Patrick is a talented player. I think that Patrick deserves quality minutes, but that solid line of 15-5-3 happened on 4 of 13 shooting, 0-4 from 3 point range. He followed up that 5 rebound performance against Purdue with a 1 rebound game in which Iowa was slaughtered on the boards. These discussions about playing time should revolve around relative strengths. For the year, Patrick has an EFG% of 47% and on a per 40 basis is averaging 4.4 rebounds and 20.5 per game. Not bad by any stretch but that EFG% is one of the lowest on the team. Compare that to Kris Murray who is also a natural 3. On a per 40 basis Kris is averaging 12 rebounds and 24 points per game and has an EFG of 61%. These numbers are substantially superior. Patrick is slightly better from an assist to turnover ratio perspective but Kris excels on the defensive numbers. Objectively Kris has been performing at a higher level this year but over these last 2 games is averaging 21 minutes vs 26 for Patrick. Like I said, I think Patrick belongs on the floor. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. It's just that Kris deserves to be out there more to the tune of 25-30 minutes per game. You could make the same comparison between JBo and Perkins at the 2 guard and derive similar conclusions as to whether the right guy is starting.
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Honestly I think if you just look at the stats from the early season Pat and Kris should be splitting, they are statistically pretty close.
Iowa should really drop down to a 9 person rotation and drop Connor. Everybody above that 1.5 PRPG! should be getting minutes. Honestly I don't know why you don't just start both Murray's and Pat and just run people off the floor.
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Iowa should really drop down to a 9 person rotation and drop Connor. Everybody above that 1.5 PRPG! should be getting minutes. Honestly I don't know why you don't just start both Murray's and Pat and just run people off the floor.
Hey, great example! Now do every other player on the team besides Rebraca! Rebraca was literally the only one that rebounded decent. Keegan had 2 rebounds in 30 minutes. Oh and Pats Purdue line was the best on the team, first in points, tied first rebounds, 2nd in assists. Anybody that thinks pat doesn’t belong is a dam fool
The stats link had some interesting numbers. Sandfort is very similar to Patrick. Better at FT and all shooting. Gets fouled less. Patrick slightly better at rebounds. This years stats show Pat plays twice the minutes, but also rebounds twice as many so Rebounds per minute is the same. Payton is 7% better at threes. Very close but Sandfort plays half a much.
Also, this is sandfort's 9th game. Patrick has played 33 games previously. So this experience could (sarcastic) make a difference.
Also, this is sandfort's 9th game. Patrick has played 33 games previously. So this experience could (sarcastic) make a difference.
When comparing statistics between 2 players, minutes and percentages matter. It's not really close when those are accounted for in a comparison of the 2. Kris' rebound numbers are nearly 3 fold higher and his EFG% is one of the highest on the team. I don't disagree with having them on the floor together and shortening the rotation. Need fewer minutes for Connor, JBo, Patrick and more minutes for Kris and Perkins.Honestly I think if you just look at the stats from the early season Pat and Kris should be splitting, they are statistically pretty close.
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Iowa should really drop down to a 9 person rotation and drop Connor. Everybody above that 1.5 PRPG! should be getting minutes. Honestly I don't know why you don't just start both Murray's and Pat and just run people off the floor.
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Yeah, I am not sure where people come up with this crap. I know some of the fans just have a hard-on to hate all things McCaffrey.
His D has been good - even advanced metrics back it up. He is Top 5 in Defensive Win Shares and Defensive +/-, right there with Joe T.
I am assuming because his D isn't flashy - he just plays solid positional D and like you said, can frustrate opponents. He even did a better job guarding Kofi in the post when he got stuck on him than most of his bigger teammates.
Yes, he is a liability as a shooter and it seems like because of that, a lot of people just want to lump him in as a liability everywhere.
As the competition has gone up the last 3 games, he has averaged the 8th most minutes on the team at about 16 per game. That is acceptable - to whoever said he is averaging 6th most minutes that is just wrong. He's a 10 - 15 minute guy who is an offensive (as in shooting) liability who is solid in other places. It's not like Fran is trying to play him 25 minutes a game over other players.
No, it appears you are not. We understand you don't like him and it clouds your objectivity.
No, he is not. Since Iowa started playing tougher competition, all 3 of those guys are playing significantly more minutes than Connor. And Connor is definitely a more solid defensive player than Patrick.
This board gets more and more ridiculous after every loss. I thought at the beginning of the season when all the pundits picked us to finish 9-10th, there was a general consensus that that was a pretty accurate prediction for this team. Now, we are expected to win every game and who cares if it was perhaps against the two best teams in the conference. Fran can't coach and the players suck. With all that, why would you expect us to win at all?
Cmac is playing pretty much the same amount of minutes the last 2 games that he has all season which is 17 minutes per game and 8th on the team. Perkins and Ulis have seen significant gains while Pmac and Kris have seen gains as well. Those gains have come pretty much at the expense of Joe, JBo, and Sandfort along with the benchwarmers. Whether these are trends or a function of game circumstances remains to be seen.
I’m mentally prepping for Iowa to make the tournament and lose the first game, and the uproar that will follow on this board after many here thought that this would be an NIT team
Yep. I think CMac is where he should be. Maybe a few minutes less but he’s definitely not taking Perkins and Kris’s minutes. I’m fine with JBo not playing much against the super athletic teams like Purdue and Illinois because he struggles against those teams. Unless he is just having one of his unreal shooting nights.
And Sandfort definitely has looked like a FR where the game is a little too quick for him once the competition has stepped up. Luckily, guys like Perkins and Kris and others have shot better from outside than expected, which means Sandfort might not have to be forced into more minutes.
Joe T - love the guy but he’s probably the most up and down player on the team. I think Ullis is a nice guy to have come in if Joe T is having one of those. If BT’s where he’s kind of out of control.
So are you suggesting CMAC is better defensive player that say Perkins or Ulis? He certainly is worse offensively as his 14% 3pt shooting and 18% overall are really uncharted lows for anyone to play more than a couple mnutes per game. His career shooting percentages don't suggest there is any upside to his shooting other than to get to low 30's in 3pt shooting. Teams leave him unguarded at 3pt line---doesn't that suggest other players have to work harder to get open because no one on defense has to pay attention to CMAC at the 3pt line.
There is no one for CMAC to post feed to and he only has to babysit the 2nd unit because Fran does an entire swap. In the normal coach substituition pattern he would be around 9th or 10th in PT.
CMAC is averaging 17 minutes per game. Perkins is 17 minutes and ulis around 17 minutes also, so even your opinion that CMAC is a 10-15 minutes per game.
I have no hate for Fran of CMAC. I do not respect Fran as a coach because he plays his own boy over more talented players because he can. One can easily imagine the effect on players that are passed over despite merit. Fran'sbody of work suggests he is average coach for B1G, not some superstar.
And my point, is that the spread should be larger. Kris played 17, CMC played 15, and Sandfort 10 against Illinois. CMC is an average defender and POOR offensive player. Now, if Connor was one of our best defenders, which he's not, I could understand the minutes. But why play him when his average defense is the justification. Josh O has better D, why not play him then?
I don’t see where I said he was a better Defensive player than Perkins it Ullis. But he’s also not horrible like some are saying and the eye test AND metrics back that up. Both of those show he actually is one of the better defensive players of the regular rotation (meaning in the top 5).
I also stated he was a liability as a shooter, which is why he doesn’t play more.
Also, the last 3 games as competition has taken a huge step forward, Perkins and Ullis are playing more minutes in games that matter. Who gives a shit who is getting 17 minutes compared to 19 minutes against Arkansas St when they are just glorified scrimmages. So you are annoyed he is 8th in minutes instead of 9th or 10th?
This was all said by me and few others above.
As for Fran being a superstar coach, I don’t think that either and I doubt many realistic Iowa fans believe he is. But Dr. Tom is put on a pedestal around here while Fran is continually talked about as a terrible coach when in reality, there isn’t a whole lot of difference between them. Dr. Tom just had a nicer, aw shucks personality that Iowans love.
The minute Dr. Tom lost Raveling’s recruits, his career was basically the same as Fran’s. If Fran came into the program with a team that had 6-8 NBA talents on it, he probably would of made an Elite 8 or Sweet 16 as well.
Iowa hasn’t had a big time basketball coach for 40 years since Lute was here and that was before he was “Lute Olson”. So the question is, what coach can Iowa realistically get to take it above the level they have been for 40 years?
My guess is Kris will get more and more time as season goes on. Sandfort has not looked very comfortable once the competition has gotten better. Yes, he’s a much better shooter and hopefully as the game slows down for him, his minutes will increase.
I don’t know what to think on Josh. Fran said he probably does need to trust him more and hopefully will get more of a chance, especially to help defensively against bigs. It does seem he gets lost a lot in team defense and offensive sets but the trade off is he gives a big body that can bang around.
CMac is 9th in minutes. It’s hard for me to get mad that a guy who besides being a poor shooter makes smart decisions, is a leader and competes, who has been through Big Ten wars and can help the inexperienced guys keep their heads, who is the 4th leading rebounder on team while 9th in minutes, and who usually makes the right pass and doesn’t turn it over might play a few minutes more than some would like.
I’m way more concerned JBo is and will take minutes from Perkins and Ullis. He gets way more of a pass from the fans because he can get hot on occasion and some of his heroics over career but he brings less to the table than CMac if he’s not jacking up and converting 40+% from 3.
Let's be honest here. If you were coach and you had sons playing you might have a slightly jaded perspective relative to your kids as well. He sees more in them than any of us ever will. Connor doesn't bring a lot but given his role he doesn't hurt a lot either. He's not going to relegate him to Ash status so forget about that. He's the coach so this is his decision on how much everyone plays. It's a perk. Why get so angry?
On another team maybe pmac is a starter but not with 2 murrays. One is going to be Frans highest draft pick after 2 seasons if he wants to be yet he averaged nearly 5 min less than freaking Connor, even when he was injured. It's a complete joke. Kris already has had too many minutes stolen this year. Enough of the 1 dimensional players (jbo included)
In order to keep Patrick on the floor he needs to be paired with exceptional defenders and rebounders. He has a nose for the ball but he lacks in physicality and fundamentals. He has always been a sub par rebounder and there were plenty of second ball chances on Monday to rebound and he didn’t box out or grab boards. Not that anyone else was lol…
If there was one McCaffery with Pat’s Offense and Connor’s defense, I’m still starting Kris.
I am OK with Pmac getting the minutes he is, but agree with others that his shot selection is sketchy. This team needs shot creators, so I like that he is aggressive. The flip side is that he is too enamored with taking runners and step-backs that he shoots at a very low %. His athleticism, length, and energy can add value in a lot of ways similar to Aaron White.
Also agree with others that the minutes going to Connor absolutely have to go to Perkins or Kris. I have no clue what goes through Fran's head when Perkins gets benched for being disruptive on D, scoring, and creating for others on O. Kris is really coming into his own and looks more confident with each game. I don't understand the rationale behind playing 4 on 5 offensively when Connor is on the floor when you have better options in Kris, Perkins, and Sandfort.
Also agree with others that the minutes going to Connor absolutely have to go to Perkins or Kris. I have no clue what goes through Fran's head when Perkins gets benched for being disruptive on D, scoring, and creating for others on O. Kris is really coming into his own and looks more confident with each game. I don't understand the rationale behind playing 4 on 5 offensively when Connor is on the floor when you have better options in Kris, Perkins, and Sandfort.
It’s Frans son, so what I’ve noticed is at most times in the game one of his kids is going to be on the court.. Perkins and Kris Murray sacrificing their minutes for CMac is all Pops. he has to know at this point that the second unit he brings in should be minus Cmac and Keegan or Filip Rebraca should stay in from the first unit unless they are completely gassed..
Honestly I think if you just look at the stats from the early season Pat and Kris should be splitting, they are statistically pretty close.
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Iowa should really drop down to a 9 person rotation and drop Connor. Everybody above that 1.5 PRPG! should be getting minutes. Honestly I don't know why you don't just start both Murray's and Pat and just run people off the floor.
Takes an ISU fan to tell Iowa fans and Fran the obvious/unbiased truth.
Congrats on a great start for ISU.
Fran has to have one of his boys on court 95% of the time. The 5% he doesn't have one or the other is just so he can set it up for his ultimate jizz trip when both are playing at same time. PMAC if he rebounds and plays defense definitely belongs in top 8 rotation, but he should be behind Kris Murray in playing time. CMAC really is a coach on the floor and solid player in all facets except he can't shoot effectively which is a requirement to play. He's said himself he doesn't mind playing less minutes and no one would be complaining if he was a 5 min a game guy. It is only Fran himself that has an agenda.
Perkins went 0 for 5 last night. If that were Connor, the McCaffery haters would be having a meltdown despite the win.
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