accidentally SHOOTING? Or accidental DISCHARGE? Link to non-liberal biased statistics to back this up?
Poll: How many weapons do you own?
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Again - when you need a weapon is not the time to purchase one. If your neighborhood suddenly has an influx would be one of those times (especially if your house is hit first). It happens, a farmer friend of mine had 4 men try breaking into their home - his wife (who was home alone) chambered the 12ga shotgun when they were at the window - all 4 ran, one dropping his revolver (that had the SN removed) on the porch - this was in rural Iowa (about 10 miles from any town).
Do you have a link to this actually happening? a police report or something? Or should we all take your anecdotal story to back up your case to be 100% true?
n the last week, legal gun owners in Detroit put a stop to several violent crimes, underscoring the fact that in a dangerous city where police protection has become unreliable, self-defense is the answer.
Two of the instances occurred on Saturday morning. Two men — one armed a tire iron — attempted to rob a home in southwest Detroit and attacked the homeowner. Luckily, he was armed with a gun, and shot back. One of the criminals was killed; the other fled the scene.
A woman in west Detroit parked her car a in a garage and was immediately confronted by a man with a gun. According to WXYZ News, she dropped her belongings so as to confuse the man, and then shot him.
Detroit Policed Deputy Chief Rodney Johnson approved of the actions taken.
“I think it’s just a matter of the individual homeowners protecting themselves and finally catching up with the criminals in that enough is enough and they aren’t going to take it anymore,” he said in a statement.
Earlier last week, a Detroit mother used a gun to defend her home and her young children from three teenage intruders, at least one of whom was armed. The criminals retreated after the mother fired at them, and all were later arrested by police.
According to Johnson, more and more Detroit citizens are applying for gun permits.
Detroit Police Chief James Craig recently voiced his support for the Second Amendment and said that communities with high rates of citizen gun ownership are safer. (RELATED: Detroit police chief: More legally armed citizens deter crime)
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http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/23/h...saved-lives-courtesy-of-the-second-amendment/
Are you saying you live in Detroit, which is why you need a gun? Or that Detroit is comparable to rural Iowa, which is where you probably reside?
I don't know how well stats are kept on this, but here a local news outlet (Albany, NY) reporting on debate over location of gun show in town. Contains a list of media reported (likely even more than this) discharges at gun shows from late 2012 through early 2014:
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Negligent Gun discharge death
June 2014 – Cedar Park, Texas – a man was fatally shot by his son-in-law after he negligently discharged a gun he was holding in the parking lot outside of a gun show
Negligent Gun discharges at 10 gun shows have resulted in injuries to 17 persons
December 2012 – Mount Clemens, Michigan – a man shot himself in the leg while emptying his gun in a gun clearance area at the entrance of a gun show
January 6, 2013- Marietta, Ohio – a man shot another man in the ankle at a gun show
January 19, 2013 – the first annual “Gun Appreciation Day” – 5 people were shot at 3 different gun shows: (1) Raleigh, NC – 3 people were injured when a man’s 12 gauge shot gun discharged at the check-in booth; (2) Medina, Ohio – one man was shot by his partner when his gun discharged when he was checking in (like the incident this past weekend in Bloomsburng, PA, the gun’s magazine had been removed, but one round remained in the chamber); and (3) Indianapolis, Indiana – a man shot himself as he was leaving a gun show in Indianapolis, Indiana.
January 25, 2013 – Des Moines, Iowa – a vendor shot himself in the hand at a gun show as he was setting up his display
February 2013 – Trotwood, Indiana – A man shot himself in the hand in a the parking lot of Hara Arena after purchasing a gun at the gun show
April 2013 – Boise, Idaho – Five persons were injured by shrapnel when a large-caliber handgun was discharged
July 2013 – Hot Springs, Arkansas – two persons were injured when a pistol was discharged
June 2014 – Bloomington, Pennsylvania – a vendor shot a woman in the leg while showing her how to use a gun and holster
Negligent Gun discharges at 8 guns shows not resulting in any injuries
January 2013 (2 shows) – Monroe, Washington and LaPorte, Indiana
March 2013 (3 shows) – Lewisville, Texas, Chelalis, Washington and Colorado Springs, Colorado
April 2013 – Hastings, Minnesota
November 2013 – Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
February 2014 – Muscle Shoals, Alabama
http://blog.timesunion.com/lawrencewhite/gun-show-liabilities/1958/
Something tells me that, as much as you would think that pile of facts would be enough for terre to back off, something tells me it isn't. And the word "liberal will be worked into his response.
there are tons of examples TheIowaHawk. Tons of them
Here's one in the huge metropolis of Coalville.
COALVILLE - Two men were hospitalized Sunday after both received injuries during an alleged robbery that happened at a home near Coalville.
The home's resident received several knife wounds before shooting the suspect, according to Webster County Sheriff Jim Stubbs.
Both the suspect and victim, neither of whom were identified by law enforcement, were taken to Trinity Regional Medical Center. The suspect was later airlifted to another undisclosed hospital.
According to Stubbs, at approximately 6 a.m. Sunday, the suspect arrived at the home and began speaking with the resident.
What started out as the suspect asking questions escalated into a robbery situation, Stubbs said.
"The male resident received several knife wounds during the ensuing struggle with the alleged assailant," Stubbs said.
During the incident, the suspect was shot and wounded. After being injured, the suspect drove off from the scene.
http://www.messengernews.net/page/c...ot--one-stabbed-in-alleged-home-invasion.html
How would gun laws have changed any of these?
I bet there were many, many more traffic accidents with injuries on the way home from gun shows during these same time frames.
TheIowaHawk, I will ask you the same. How would gun laws have changed any of those? How many traffic accidents occured the same day?
FBI: Rural Crime Rate Is Increasing
FBI crime statistics show a drop in overall crime rate in the United States, while rural areas are seeing a slight increase in property crime.
Published on: Feb 15, 2012
http://farmprogress.com/story-fbi-rural-crime-rate-increasing-14-57311
FBI crime statistics show a drop in overall crime rate in the United States, while rural areas are seeing a slight increase in property crime.
Published on: Feb 15, 2012
http://farmprogress.com/story-fbi-rural-crime-rate-increasing-14-57311
CCW owner didn't kill the guy but saved lives.
Cincinnati man shoots at 1-year-old boy, is shot by man with concealed carry permit
Published July 27, 2015
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Thomas McCary, 62, allegedly shot at four people, including a one-year-old boy. (Hamilton County Jail)
A 62-year-old man with a gun in each hand fired at four people – including a 1-year-old boy – before a civilian with a concealed carry permit returned fire and wounded the shooter, cops told FOX19.
Thomas McCary is being held without bond on four counts of felonious assault.
McCary was arguing with a woman around 8 p.m. Sunday night and, when the woman’s brother, Patrick Ewing, approached, McCary pulled out a .38-caliber handgun and fired three shots at him, Cincinnati police said.
Ewing didn’t get hit, but he did get his own gun and returned fire, wounding McCary in the leg. Ewing had a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
Injured, McCary went into his house to get a second gun and, holding a weapon in each hand, he fired three shots in the direction of the woman, Jeaneta Walker, her 1-year-old son and a third man.
Ewing fired at McCary again to try to distract him as the victims fled indoors. McCary squeezed off a few more rounds, hitting no one, before withdrawing into his apartment, Cincinnati.com reported.
McCary was taken to the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, where he was arrested at 2:30 a.m. He was treated, released and booked into the Hamilton County Jail by 3:42 a.m. McCary is scheduled to face a judge Monday morning
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/2...hot-by-man-with-concealed-carry/?intcmp=hpbt4
It may have reduce the number of accidents, obviously.
And the old car accident comparison to guns is always laughable. Do you really think guns and automobiles are in the same category here?
I dunno; I'm not talking about gun laws. I think you're the one talking about gun laws, everyone else is talking about whether or not the own guns or whether or not guns are necessary to protect themselves.
I was responding to the post about how aren't mass shootings at gun shows and I pointed out that you're more likely to be shot at a gun show than in a movie theater.
To your point, I'm sure more people die driving home from the movies than get shot at movies, too...but I'm not quite sure how that's germane to the conversation.
Sorry , I won't put my friends name on this site. You can believe or not, your choice.
The link below points to encounters throughout the US -
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/printthread.php?t=335494
Your link is a chat room for treasure hunters! Which is I guess as viable of a source of legitimate information as a story from a buddy.
If you click on the links in the forum it takes you to the news articles... geez do I have to click the mouse for you too!?
Oh and my "buddy" that told me about the attempted - he's a county sheriff, so yeah - credible.
Here's an "Iowa" one for you - Congressman Boswell fights off armed intruder at Iowa farm house. A home invasion at Rep. Leonard Boswell's Iowa farm ended when his 22-year-old grandson fetched a shotgun and aimed it at the intruder, according to a statement from the congressman's office. No one was seriously injured.
Can I count my rapier-like wit?
I think you have made it abundantly clear that you are unarmed....especially when you engage in a battle of wits.
I have no doubt these types of things happen, probably hundreds of times/year, but it's a decision I've made to not have guns in the house. You're welcome to, I'm not going to. If I could figure out a way to keep it locked up securely AND have it ready at a moments notice by my bed, loaded and ready for use, I'd consider it. It's just that if the situation you describe were to happen, with my luck, the one time in 3 lifetimes I needed it, it would be locked up on the other side of the house somewhere and would do me no good.
Rookies. I have 8 pistols, 2 SCARs, an AR15, an M1A, an HK USC a Sig MPX, a couple of shotguns and a transferable Stemple STG U9 machine gun. I'm currently in the market for a transferable M16 now if anyone has a good lead on one.
In this context? Absolutely they are in the same context. ACCIDENTS happen. There is no measure that can keep all accidents from happening. Thus the comparison with auto ACCIDENTS. There were most certainly more car accidents (with injury) the day of the gun shows than there were gun accidents at these guys ahows
I respect your decision.
Also, just an FYI:
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What is the general purpose of cars? What is the general purpose of guns? And which serve our population more?
Cars.. transportation, sports
Guns.. Protection - civilian, law enforcement and military, hunting for food, sports.
you tell me which serves the population more.
What could you do without in your everyday life-cars or guns? I assume you walk to work, and live within a mile of all family and relatives?
My life would be pretty difficult without the guns I use for hunting and fishing. My family pretty much stays away from commercial meat, so we need them as tools. I only have one pistol, which has only been used on halibut, and one rifle- a .338 winmag that can handle any game animal. I also have a mossberg 500 12 gauge for bears. I would give up my truck before any of these.
I've never heard of a mass shooting at waterparks, is it because of banana-hammocks?
Do you think I am StevenPatrick?
"there are tons of examples TheIowaHawk. Tons of them
Here's one in the huge metropolis of Coalville.
COALVILLE - Two men were hospitalized Sunday after both received injuries during an alleged robbery that happened at a home near Coalville.
The home's resident received several knife wounds before shooting the suspect, according to Webster County Sheriff Jim Stubbs.
Both the suspect and victim, neither of whom were identified by law enforcement, were taken to Trinity Regional Medical Center. The suspect was later airlifted to another undisclosed hospital.
According to Stubbs, at approximately 6 a.m. Sunday, the suspect arrived at the home and began speaking with the resident.
What started out as the suspect asking questions escalated into a robbery situation, Stubbs said.
"The male resident received several knife wounds during the ensuing struggle with the alleged assailant," Stubbs said.
During the incident, the suspect was shot and wounded. After being injured, the suspect drove off from the scene.
http://www.messengernews.net/page/c...ot--one-stabbed-in-alleged-home-invasion.html
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I'll condense my response to this one, since you asked, and unlike you, I answer.
Again, not sure why you are specifically calling me out, but I enjoyed the Coalville article. I will presume this is because I said the guy would most likely know the person stealing his car in a town of 300. I stand by that.
I can't seem to be able to pull up that article, but I'll bet they knew each other. But Coalville is a community of, what, 600? So twice the claimed one, but close enough, but it is also directly adjacent to a community of 25,000.
So maybe I was a bit too generalized in believing that a person claiming to live in a community of "300" did not, in fact, mean a small bedroom community next to a significantly larger community.
I was thinking more along the lines of, like, Harcourt, Iowa (gas station off of 169 for travelers). Looking it up it has, apparently, right at 300 residents. I first thought of Dayton, but it has ~800. I'll bet high 90-percentile everyone in Harcourt knows each other, and when a truck goes missing, they have a darn good idea who did it.
Now what did this have to do with anything you posted? I'm not sure, I certainly didn't claim that small towns don't have crime (although, statistically, they have much less), just that they likely knew the person who stole their car.
As to your second question: How would gun laws have changed it? I'm not sure, I'm not advocating for any gun laws. I've been very clear on this: The 2A is adamant, and no one's rights, including Felons, should be infringed.
As to your last question, what a ridiculous straw man. The debate is over the purpose/need/usefulness-in-defending-one's-self of firearms. Nobody is debating the purpose/need/usefulness of automobiles. You lost that example before even getting to the deaths.
Well, I guess there is something to the complaint about small sample sized and their usefulness. Sounds like you believe you only need a bright porch light and a toy rifle.
Any DM-area residents recommend a range that one could try out conceal-type guns? Is that a thing, try before buy?
