POLL: Predicting the Iowa-PSU 2019-20 Dual - PART I
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Lee tech teske 5-0
Teas dec rby 8-0
Lee dec desanto 8-3
Lugo dec verk 11-3
Young dec berge 14-3
Marinelli dec joseph 17-3
Hall dec kemerer 17-6
Shak dec wilcke 17-9
Warner dec conel/beard 20-9
Cassar maj cass 20-13
Teas dec rby 8-0
Lee dec desanto 8-3
Lugo dec verk 11-3
Young dec berge 14-3
Marinelli dec joseph 17-3
Hall dec kemerer 17-6
Shak dec wilcke 17-9
Warner dec conel/beard 20-9
Cassar maj cass 20-13
Pretty much this. Except Lee by fall and shak by major. Also hopefully Mark Hall goes 0 for Carver.
Good start on the prediction. I think DeSanto can beat Lee, because Lee depends on his motor and comes on late--good luck with that as it pertains to DeSanto
. I agree with Shak possibly getting a major, but I don't see Cassar majoring Cass. I think it will be closer than that and Lee might get the fall at 125. In this dual, I'm sure the coaches will be in his ear that every point counts.
Got it. Thanks as I track the board a lot, and I thought it hadn't been confirmed anywhere. I am curious to see how this situation plays out with the addition of Teasdale.
I also think Desanto can beat him but at this point in time I’ll say Lee. Plus we don’t know the lineup yet. I’d keep the same score if Desanto 133 and Murin 141 this way.Good start on the prediction. I think DeSanto can beat Lee, because Lee depends on his motor and comes on late--good luck with that as it pertains to DeSanto
Looking at this logically, based on what we know today, PSU will win 41, 84 and Hwt and more than likely bonus at 1 maybe 2 of those weights. Iowa will win 25 picking up 5 or 6. Hopefully 6 as you don't want a criteria situation going to match points against PSU. That leaves 6 toss-ups with 74 a heavy lean to PSU at present. Not to be a Debbie Downer but the Hawks don't have the best track record over the last 5-10 years winning all the tossups and that is essentially what needs to happen. I think this squad is different and has the potential to be special but as of now, it's only potential. Can't wait to see how the next 3 1/2 months leading up to this potential mega-
dual plays out.
dual plays out.
Lee WBF 6-0
RBY WBD 6-3
Desanto WBD 9-3
Verk WBD 9-6
Young WBD 12-6
Bull WBD 15-6
Hall WBD 15-9
Shak WMD 15-13
Warner WBD 18-13
Cassar WMD 18-17 Iowa
Lots of close matches. Should be fun.
RBY WBD 6-3
Desanto WBD 9-3
Verk WBD 9-6
Young WBD 12-6
Bull WBD 15-6
Hall WBD 15-9
Shak WMD 15-13
Warner WBD 18-13
Cassar WMD 18-17 Iowa
Lots of close matches. Should be fun.
RBY Teasdale will be great if it goes down. Could see tons of points there.
That will be a battle of pure athleticism. I feel like rby is going to be really really good but I know how good Gavin is. He’s going to beat just about everyone. Possibly everyone. He’s that good.
Didn't someone on here say the big ten hasn't signed off on Teas yet for this year? I've never seen the kid live and am very excited to, but didn't know if his participation this year was a certainty.
I would like to know more about this myself...anyone?
125: Lee by tech 5-0 (could be 6)
133: RBY by dec 5-3 (haven’t seen Teasdale yet so going with RBY but could see it flipped)
141: Desanto by dec 8-3 (this match will be a war, both guys have motors and I’m excited)
149: Verk over Lugo 8-6 (think lugo beats him later in the year)
157: Young dec 11-6 (probably gonna be something like 5-2 or 6-3)
165: Marinelli dec 14-6 (I think the bull takes him out a third time. It is Cenzo though so you never know)
174: Kem by dec 17-6 (I might just be crazy but I have a good feeling for Kemdawg. Also a homer pick)
184: Rasheed by dec 17-10 (think Wilcke will keep it close if he stays out of the cradle)
197: Warner by dec 20-10 (could see this one going either way)
285: Cassar by dec 20-13 (think we will avoid the major but won’t get the W)
I gave the hawks most of the toss ups but hey it’s a Hawkeye board and I’m a hawk fan so this is what I’m going with!
Really excited for 133. 141, 165, and 174. There are going to be so many good match ups. Can’t wait for the duals to get rolling.
133: RBY by dec 5-3 (haven’t seen Teasdale yet so going with RBY but could see it flipped)
141: Desanto by dec 8-3 (this match will be a war, both guys have motors and I’m excited)
149: Verk over Lugo 8-6 (think lugo beats him later in the year)
157: Young dec 11-6 (probably gonna be something like 5-2 or 6-3)
165: Marinelli dec 14-6 (I think the bull takes him out a third time. It is Cenzo though so you never know)
174: Kem by dec 17-6 (I might just be crazy but I have a good feeling for Kemdawg. Also a homer pick)
184: Rasheed by dec 17-10 (think Wilcke will keep it close if he stays out of the cradle)
197: Warner by dec 20-10 (could see this one going either way)
285: Cassar by dec 20-13 (think we will avoid the major but won’t get the W)
I gave the hawks most of the toss ups but hey it’s a Hawkeye board and I’m a hawk fan so this is what I’m going with!
Really excited for 133. 141, 165, and 174. There are going to be so many good match ups. Can’t wait for the duals to get rolling.
You owe some $ to the HWC swear jar. (But yes, the dual should be a blast.)
Rasheed is at 184. He was at 197 two seasons ago. (That would be an entertaining match though.)
I'm sure if I wanted to spend the time I could find the post, but I know someone posted that Tom himself mentioned in open practice that they were still waiting for finalization from the big 10. No idea if true, was hoping someone else could decisively say at this moment whether he was eligible or not
Lee TF 5-0
RBY DEC 5-3 (need to see Teas to believe)
Lee DEC 5-6
Lugo DEC 8-6
Young MD 12-6
Joseph DEC 12-9
Hall TF 12-14 (think Kem will need time to get back to this level again)
Shak MD 12-18 (Cash will wait for the final 20 seconds to kick start his offense despite being behind 10-2) - would love to see Cash open up; he could be a badass!
Warner DEC 15-18
Cassar WBF 15-24 (would love to see Cass be competitive, but I don't think so, not against Cassar)
Final 14-24 - Iowa loses a team point when Desanto shoves Lee and calls him a sissy after his loss.
Hope the score is significantly different, but unless something has changed significantly from last year to this year, I see PSU winning the dual, the B10 championship and the NCAA championship. I think we are a bit too weak at a few spots and have huge problems with under-performing in March. And sadly I don't see PSU having more than two weight classes that don't AA, and four (perhaps five) in the finals with three winning it all. For us to compete at NCAAs, Teas, Lugo, Marinelli, Warner and Cash need to live up to their hype; Kem needs to return to his pre-injuries form; Lee, Young and Desanto need to hold par (or perhaps improve a spot or two for Y and D); and Cass needs to become an AA. If a scenario similar to that doesn't occur, come March we'll be talking about next year (AGAIN).
RBY DEC 5-3 (need to see Teas to believe)
Lee DEC 5-6
Lugo DEC 8-6
Young MD 12-6
Joseph DEC 12-9
Hall TF 12-14 (think Kem will need time to get back to this level again)
Shak MD 12-18 (Cash will wait for the final 20 seconds to kick start his offense despite being behind 10-2) - would love to see Cash open up; he could be a badass!
Warner DEC 15-18
Cassar WBF 15-24 (would love to see Cass be competitive, but I don't think so, not against Cassar)
Final 14-24 - Iowa loses a team point when Desanto shoves Lee and calls him a sissy after his loss.
Hope the score is significantly different, but unless something has changed significantly from last year to this year, I see PSU winning the dual, the B10 championship and the NCAA championship. I think we are a bit too weak at a few spots and have huge problems with under-performing in March. And sadly I don't see PSU having more than two weight classes that don't AA, and four (perhaps five) in the finals with three winning it all. For us to compete at NCAAs, Teas, Lugo, Marinelli, Warner and Cash need to live up to their hype; Kem needs to return to his pre-injuries form; Lee, Young and Desanto need to hold par (or perhaps improve a spot or two for Y and D); and Cass needs to become an AA. If a scenario similar to that doesn't occur, come March we'll be talking about next year (AGAIN).
Good start on the prediction. I think DeSanto can beat Lee, because Lee depends on his motor and comes on late--good luck with that as it pertains to DeSanto
I concur WRT Desanto's engine...guy is full steam ahead for 7 full. But I think Lee will prove too strong. WRT Cass, I'm hoping you're right, but when I watched him at last year's Midland's he didn't look that strong against Stencel (fall) and the kid from Campbell (MD). And Cassar is in a completely different league.
Lee TF 5-0
RBY DEC 5-3 (need to see Teas to believe)
Lee DEC 5-6
Lugo DEC 8-6
Young MD 12-6
Joseph DEC 12-9
Hall TF 12-14 (think Kem will need time to get back to this level again)
Shak MD 12-18 (Cash will wait for the final 20 seconds to kick start his offense despite being behind 10-2) - would love to see Cash open up; he could be a badass!
Warner DEC 15-18
Cassar WBF 15-24 (would love to see Cass be competitive, but I don't think so, not against Cassar)
Final 14-24 - Iowa loses a team point when Desanto shoves Lee and calls him a sissy after his loss.
Hope the score is significantly different, but unless something has changed significantly from last year to this year, I see PSU winning the dual, the B10 championship and the NCAA championship. I think we are a bit too weak at a few spots and have huge problems with under-performing in March. And sadly I don't see PSU having more than two weight classes that don't AA, and four (perhaps five) in the finals with three winning it all. For us to compete at NCAAs, Teas, Lugo, Marinelli, Warner and Cash need to live up to their hype; Kem needs to return to his pre-injuries form; Lee, Young and Desanto need to hold par (or perhaps improve a spot or two for Y and D); and Cass needs to become an AA. If a scenario similar to that doesn't occur, come March we'll be talking about next year (AGAIN).
Hall will not bonus unless he catches a roll for a pin. He does not score a lot points. He had 16 matches against the top 20 last season and bonused once. That was a MD against the 17th ranked UNC kid. Nearly ever match was a 1-4 point victory. To think he scores even 6 points in the match would be a statistical outlier.
I hope you're right as he's the guy on PSU's roster that I least like. My fear is that with all the time Kem's been down that he (Kem) will not be in the same league just yet. Hoping that he will be by the end of the season as I'm a big fan and hate that we weren't able to enjoy seeing a full college career from him.
You thinking Hall will TF Kemdawg confirms how little you know about wrestling. You are great at stroking Carl so you have that going for you.Lee TF 5-0
RBY DEC 5-3 (need to see Teas to believe)
Lee DEC 5-6
Lugo DEC 8-6
Young MD 12-6
Joseph DEC 12-9
Hall TF 12-14 (think Kem will need time to get back to this level again)
Shak MD 12-18 (Cash will wait for the final 20 seconds to kick start his offense despite being behind 10-2) - would love to see Cash open up; he could be a badass!
Warner DEC 15-18
Cassar WBF 15-24 (would love to see Cass be competitive, but I don't think so, not against Cassar)
Final 14-24 - Iowa loses a team point when Desanto shoves Lee and calls him a sissy after his loss.
Hope the score is significantly different, but unless something has changed significantly from last year to this year, I see PSU winning the dual, the B10 championship and the NCAA championship. I think we are a bit too weak at a few spots and have huge problems with under-performing in March. And sadly I don't see PSU having more than two weight classes that don't AA, and four (perhaps five) in the finals with three winning it all. For us to compete at NCAAs, Teas, Lugo, Marinelli, Warner and Cash need to live up to their hype; Kem needs to return to his pre-injuries form; Lee, Young and Desanto need to hold par (or perhaps improve a spot or two for Y and D); and Cass needs to become an AA. If a scenario similar to that doesn't occur, come March we'll be talking about next year (AGAIN).
Lee wbf
DeSanto wbd as long as that track star isn't allowed to run all match. Toss up
Lee wbd over Murin Toss up
Lugo wbd Toss up
Young wbd
Bull wbd Toss up
Hall wbd Riding time will be the difference unless Kemdawg can out scramble Hall. Toss up
Derp wbd over Cash. How Carl keeping this guy eligible is about as impressive as his recruiting.
Warner wbd Toss up
Cassar wbd
We need to win 3 out of the 6 toss ups. My score has us winning, but PSU has to be favored. They could wrestle this 10 times and have 10 different results.
DeSanto wbd as long as that track star isn't allowed to run all match. Toss up
Lee wbd over Murin Toss up
Lugo wbd Toss up
Young wbd
Bull wbd Toss up
Hall wbd Riding time will be the difference unless Kemdawg can out scramble Hall. Toss up
Derp wbd over Cash. How Carl keeping this guy eligible is about as impressive as his recruiting.
Warner wbd Toss up
Cassar wbd
We need to win 3 out of the 6 toss ups. My score has us winning, but PSU has to be favored. They could wrestle this 10 times and have 10 different results.
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I shouldn't have included 157. I put 149 a toss up because we wrestle too many close matches at that weight. Joseph is a 2 time champ so him winning wouldn't be much of an upset. My money is on the Bull every time but don't sleep on Joseph.
Sadly, like those of you who live in or close to Iowa, I don't get to see how our wrestlers progress; I only get to see them when it's game time. Being that Hall is Hall and Kem is coming back from a year plus of injuries, forgive me if I don't have the same amount of confidence as most. And I'm not sure what the deal is with your stroking fetish. I guess if we don't pretend that Iowa will kick everybody's ass, or if we have an opinion that differs from some of you (and I'm talking directly to you), we get beat down by some of the site morons (again, talking directly to you). That really speaks highly of our fan base (actually fans like you). Instead of going straight to your stroking comments, you could have been a normal human being, like the other gentlemen who disagreed with me, and pointed out logical, historical data that shows Hall just doesn't score big points against quality opponents. But nope, that's not your style. All you want to do is beat down whoever doesn't think like you. People like you shouldn't be allowed on the site. Idiot.
I have no problem with 83% on here that disagree with me. It's the 17% (talking directly at you) that bother me. Especially the "hawk fans" that go to Penn States forum kissing their butts (again talking directly to you). Any "hawkeye" fan that predicts a Hall TF over Kemdawg showed his/her true colors or lack of following wrestling more than the post season (suspect both pertain to you).
Apollo Nashville is rational. I don't understand lol. In any event Penn state will win until Iowa proves otherwise. Cael prepares his wrestlers better than the brands so it will be a good match. Wouldn't be surprised if Penn state wins by more than five. Let's put it this way if it comes down to heavy weight Penn state all day
Ya think Einstein? Everybody should know by now Nashville is not a real Hawk fan.
So you're implying that instead of providing our honest opinion we should lie to make Hawk fans feel better. You're kidding me, right? And if you look at the number of times I've been to the PSU forums, you can probably count them on two hands, and most of those posts are to congratulate a quality team made up of mostly quality young men for being so impressive. So what you're saying is that if a PSU fan comes on our site and congratulates Spencer for being a 2-time champ, they're no longer PSU fans, but rather closet Hawk fans? You've got to be kidding me. I wasn't sure you were an idiot before, but you're making it hard to believe otherwise. So let me ask you this...once PSU kids graduate and make it on to the US team, can we congratulate them then? Or are they still PSU wrestlers? Oh, in case you didn't know, I also went on a Rutgers site and congratulated them for their first ever national champions. Is that not allowed either? Or is that OK since we can handily best Rutgers each year? Again, I try to find the best in people, but for the life of me these two posts where you blasted me for giving an opinion and for congratulating college kids for a job well done have shown me that you're simply an idiot. I hope I'm wrong, but I fear that's the case.
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Wasd21: I will not bet against Iowa. Hopefully, Iowa will have a great season and will slaughter PSU come the end of January. And by that time, we'll all know if Kem is back to Kem status, whether Teas is the real deal, and who our man will be at 41. Hell, by the time this dual comes up both teams will probably look a bit different, so it's hard to say who will be wrestling whom. My opinion was based on what I believe today based on what I've seen...and basically all I ever get to see are our duals and tourneys that are available via BTN, FLO, or elsewhere on the internet, and via the links some of you gents post on this site.
Back to the PSU dual, I will gladly pay top dollar for a good seat at CHA if anyone has a ticket for the dual? The wife and I are staying at the same hotel we stayed at for the Okie State dual two years ago in hopes that it will bring us the same good luck. All I need is a good seat. Any good seats close to the action? Thank you for your consideration.
I watched Kem his first day back to live wrestling back in JULY. He has not missed a step. I was awed with his speed and execution. I would not underestimate him. He is not a freshman.
The guy has an opinion. You are butthurt. It is what it is.
Hall is not going to tech Kem, but neither is the match a toss up.
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