POLL: Still Not Genocide?
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I called this shit genocide from the onset. **** Israel.
Okay.
My Dad always always told my brothers to NEVER start a fight, but always be the one to finish it.
After the unprovoked slaughter of innocents on October 7 the truth of FAFO has never changed.
I hope Israel continues to prevail.
My Dad always always told my brothers to NEVER start a fight, but always be the one to finish it.
After the unprovoked slaughter of innocents on October 7 the truth of FAFO has never changed.
I hope Israel continues to prevail.
So . . . are you saying it's not genocide? Or are you saying it is genocide but genocide is OK?
[You hadn't voted at the time I posted this, so I don't know the answer.]
Exactly what "geno" are they trying to eliminate?
Muslims? There are almost 2 billion of them, so that's not going to happen.
Palestinians? That's not even a legitimate group. No one called themselves a "Palestinian" before the State of Israel was created after WWII. No other Muslim countries recognize them nor will allow them to cross borders, even as refugees from Israel's aggression!
Hamas and Hezbollah? Yes, Israel is trying to eliminate them.
Is eliminating terrorists "genocide"?
Not in my worldview.
Muslims? There are almost 2 billion of them, so that's not going to happen.
Palestinians? That's not even a legitimate group. No one called themselves a "Palestinian" before the State of Israel was created after WWII. No other Muslim countries recognize them nor will allow them to cross borders, even as refugees from Israel's aggression!
Hamas and Hezbollah? Yes, Israel is trying to eliminate them.
Is eliminating terrorists "genocide"?
Not in my worldview.
other option: I don’t know enough about the regional dynamics to determine what is and is not appropriate
If it was a genocide there wouldn't be any of them left at this point.
To put it another way, if Hamas had Israel's means, there wouldn't be any Jews left in Israel.
If you want to understand what a genocide looks like read up on the einsatzgruppen.
If you want a more recent example, read about the Janjaweed in Darfur.
There's nothing like that happening.
The fighting would stop if the terrorists would release their hostages, but they haven't, so the war continues.
To put it another way, if Hamas had Israel's means, there wouldn't be any Jews left in Israel.
If you want to understand what a genocide looks like read up on the einsatzgruppen.
If you want a more recent example, read about the Janjaweed in Darfur.
There's nothing like that happening.
The fighting would stop if the terrorists would release their hostages, but they haven't, so the war continues.
I can never tell if you’re playing dumb or are genuinely stupid.
If I wrote that it would be surefire satire.
I don't think trad was trying for that.
I didn't find an answer on the poll that matches my view.
I don't think it's a genocide. It's not like Palestinians are being rounded up en masse and killed simply for being Palestinians.
Hamas uses human shields and that's the main reason there are so many civilian casualties on the Palestinian side, IMO.
And of course, if the Palestinians would stop attacking Israel, this current conflict wouldn't be happening.
I don't think it's a genocide. It's not like Palestinians are being rounded up en masse and killed simply for being Palestinians.
Hamas uses human shields and that's the main reason there are so many civilian casualties on the Palestinian side, IMO.
And of course, if the Palestinians would stop attacking Israel, this current conflict wouldn't be happening.
So . . . you're not informed. And you clearly aren't paying attention.
That's America in a nutshell.
SMH.
Usually when you try to derail a thread into a nitpick about word choice you at least pretend to know what you're talking about.
I love that you seem to want to deny using the term "genocide" unless it's as bad as the worst genocides.
Since you're posing as an expert, tell us: How many civilians need to die and how horrific do their deaths need to be to count as a genocide?
Inquiring minds want to know.
How do you define "genocide?"
Did America commit genocide against Germany in World War 2 since a million or so civilians were killed?
Somewhat to my surprise, there are a few genocide deniers/excusers here who weren't already on my ignore list.
I've rectified that.
To my disappointment, half who have voted either deny or support genocide. Considering some cons here routinely don't vote in my polls, the true tally is probably even more damning than that.
I don't know how to rectify that.
I've rectified that.
To my disappointment, half who have voted either deny or support genocide. Considering some cons here routinely don't vote in my polls, the true tally is probably even more damning than that.
I don't know how to rectify that.
Don’t start a war you can’t finish.
Release all the hostages.
Arrest every Hamas member and turn them over to international war crimes court.
Elect new gaza government or get comfortable with new Israeli governance.
Gazans had their chance and screwed themselves. They do not deserve self governance. If they want to live like bloodthirsty animals then they will never make peaceful neighbors.
Release all the hostages.
Arrest every Hamas member and turn them over to international war crimes court.
Elect new gaza government or get comfortable with new Israeli governance.
Gazans had their chance and screwed themselves. They do not deserve self governance. If they want to live like bloodthirsty animals then they will never make peaceful neighbors.
Nah, I just lack the hubris to convince myself that I can understand the circumstances of those in this situation.
This isn't a knitting club. It's a difficult concept, but there are agreed, international guidelines on this. They aren't so precise as to make cases easy or black and white, but they aren't silly, either.
Just ask yourself this: suppose it were Iran doing this to their Kurdish population. Or China doing it to the Uighurs. Or pick some other "bad actor" doing it to another subjugated population that had the temerity to fight back once in a while. Would we be so slow to call it genocide?
Genocide seems more like what the Hutus did to the Tutsis in Rwanda, not this current conflict in Gaza.
How many civilian deaths have been purposeful and how many civilian deaths have been unintended?
Civilians die in every war.
The difference is whether it is incidental, or intentional.
Hamas, the Janjaweed, and the einsatztruppen deliberately sought out civilians and massacred them on purpose.
If the Jews were doing the same, they would have finished months ago.
As a percentage of Gazans, this remains below the civilian deaths caused by the West in WW2.
Do you think that was a genocide? That we meant to wipe out the Germans?
You always clammed up when I ask you at what point the Allies should have offered the Nazis a ceasefire. My guess is you'll do the same on these questions.
Was Sherman guilty of genocide in Georgia and South Carolina because he destroyed civilian infrastructure to ensure it could not support the CSA's war effort?
How low do you put the bar for genocide?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Most people on here defended Israel after they blew up hospitals and were caught sniping women/children. It shouldn't be surprising that they will defend anything Israel does.
Often times you can repeat the same lie over and over and many people will start to believe it's the truth.
This is a strategy of persuasion.
Politicians, operatives, and the media are very familiar with this and use it regularly.
There are many examples of this just on this board.
This is a strategy of persuasion.
Politicians, operatives, and the media are very familiar with this and use it regularly.
There are many examples of this just on this board.
An honest question WWJD, not trying to be snarky, or disrespectful at all.
Why would you put people on your ignore list because of this? Obviously you feel strongly that they are wrong, I get that. But, isn't listening to others perspectives a big part of learning and understanding?
Not genocide.
Does Israel strike back with a very low concern for preventing civilian casualties yes.
But that's not the same as genocide.
I still fail to understand why anyone takes sides in this godforsaken conflict. Both sides share a lot of blame in the continuation of violence. Neither side is really entirely "just defending itself"
The powers that run things on both sides want this fight to continue.
Does Israel strike back with a very low concern for preventing civilian casualties yes.
But that's not the same as genocide.
I still fail to understand why anyone takes sides in this godforsaken conflict. Both sides share a lot of blame in the continuation of violence. Neither side is really entirely "just defending itself"
The powers that run things on both sides want this fight to continue.
Learning and understanding. Two of hborts biggest qualities. 🙄
How can you call it genocide when all the Palestinians have to do is release the hostages and Israel would stop. It can't be genocide if the Arabs started this by killing, raping and taking people hostage and could stop it tomorrow if they released those hostages.
Well... that'll certainly save those Palestinians
If this was genocide it would have been over months ago..
Where is the option to vote that hamas is attempting to genocide the jews? They've earned everything Israel has thrown at them. Actions have consequences and when you murder innocent civilians anything and everything is on the table for retribution. Hiding behind civilians as human shields is also a war crime. Not that hamas cares.
Not an argument, just a statement of fact,.. If Israel simply wanted to kill Palestinians, they'd all be dead by now.
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