POLL: Which Gun Control Measures Do You Support?

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Using the list from post #4 of this thread

Tell Congress: BAN Assault Rifles - LINK

For those inclined here is a link to message your local idiots.... https://actionnetwork.org/letters/tell-congress-pass-comprehensive-legislation-to-reduce-gun-violence-2?source=website https://actionnetwork.org/letters/tell-the-congress-ban-assault-rifles

iowa.forums.rivals.com

Obviously there could be others, but this is a decent list. Feel free to suggest additional or alternative measures.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I voted for 4 of the 6. How many did you vote for?

 

[dandh]

I support a couple of those, depending on how they would be implemented, but the one you did not mention that I think would be most effective is to raise the age for legal purchase to 25.

 

[Moral]

4/6 I didn’t mandate a safe or ban high capacity rifles. Gun safes are tipping hazards if not properly anchored.

 

[dandh]

4/6 I didn’t mandate a safe or ban high capacity rifles. Gun safes are tipping hazards if not properly anchored.

It is possible to store guns safely without a safe, especially if you segregate and lock up all ammunition.

 

[Moral]

It is possible to store guns safely without a safe, especially if you segregate and lock up all ammunition.

I am opposed to segregation.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

4/6 I didn’t mandate a safe or ban high capacity rifles. Gun safes are tipping hazards if not properly anchored.

Why not assault weapons?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

It is possible to store guns safely without a safe, especially if you segregate and lock up all ammunition.

Not only that, but this seems intrusive to me. Especially for those who have no children in their homes.

 

[dandh]

I am opposed to segregation.

So co-ed showers in dorms? That would be fun.

 

[Moral]

Why not assault weapons?

Because their are plenty of rifles and pistols that can also lay down a lot of rounds that aren’t all sporty looking. There are also plenty of magazine fed shotguns.

 

[ihhawk]

I’m a little lost on the “universal back ground check” discussion. I googled the definition and it is basically meaning to have the private sales background check done as well.

What will that do to stop any of these school shootings? Absolutely nothing. The kids are buying them from stores and having a back ground check done.

I would raise the age to purchase a semi automatic firearm to 21.

I would eliminate all magazines over 10 rounds.

I would love to say that red flag laws will do something but it has been proven with the Buffalo shooting that it actually takes a human who cares enough to raise the red flag.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

This statement of the mental health restriction is better than what was being talked about a couple of years back - when someone who merely asked his GP about depression or anxiety could be denied his 2A rights - but it's still problematic. There's no adjudication process. What counts as dangerous? What are the qualifications for knowing when someone is dangerous?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Because their are plenty of rifles and pistols that can also lay down a lot of rounds that aren’t all sporty looking. There are also plenty of magazine fed shotguns.

Yeah, but it's a start.

Plus, don't you think the "cool" factor plays into the fantasies of those who go on shooting sprees?

 

[HawkNester]

All of them, and add insurance for each gun you own, along with required training.

 

[ihhawk]

Yeah, but it's a start.

Plus, don't you think the "cool" factor plays into the fantasies of those who go on shooting sprees?

The cool factor is for the kids under 21. That’s why it should Absolutely be raised.

There isn’t an argument that makes any sense on why a handgun age requirement is 21 but a rifle is 18.

 

[Moral]

I’m a little lost on the “universal back ground check” discussion. I googled the definition and it is basically meaning to have the private sales background check done as well.

What will that do to stop any of these school shootings? Absolutely nothing. The kids are buying them from stores and having a back ground check done.

I would raise the age to purchase a semi automatic firearm to 21.

I would eliminate all magazines over 10 rounds.

I would love to say that red flag laws will do something but it has been proven with the Buffalo shooting that it actually takes a human who cares enough to raise the red flag.

I don’t think the problem is guns. I think it is the damage done on the brains of citizens by our consumer system and people lost along the way.

Yeah, but it's a start.

Plus, don't you think the "cool" factor plays into the fantasies of those who go on shooting sprees?

Maybe? Kind of sounds like a gateway drug argument in a way. I think by the time you get to the would be mass murderer level the damage was going to be done anyway.

I wonder what makes mass murder the new go to over the murder/suicide or just suicide route. I wonder if there is any connection between being a perpetual war nation and our mass murders domestically.

 

[dandh]

This statement of the mental health restriction is better than what was being talked about a couple of years back - when someone who merely asked his GP about depression or anxiety could be denied his 2A rights - but it's still problematic. There's no adjudication process. What counts as dangerous? What are the qualifications for knowing when someone is dangerous?

There should be a notification requirement and an appeal process at minimum, imo. Restrictions should also be based on pre-determined published criteria so it is consistently applied.

 

[dandh]

The cool factor is for the kids under 21. That’s why it should Absolutely be raised.

There isn’t an argument that makes any sense on why a handgun age requirement is 21 but a rifle is 18.

Agree, but I'd go with 25.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

All of them, and add insurance for each gun you own, along with required training.

The insurance question is interesting. I wonder how many gun owners who seldom use their guns would get rid of some or all of their arsenal? I certainly would.

If we had such laws, I wonder what the rates would be for different types of guns? I mean if I'm an insurance company and I'm on the hook for gun misuse, I'm definitely going to charge more for a Bushmaster than for a single shot squirrel gun.

Over time, this would be a sort-of free market way to identify the more problematic weapons.

 

[Moral]

This is an interesting topic especially because I am more conservative on it than a lot of my stances, but there is a large majority of the republican posters on here that seem very willing to make some changes. The problem hardly seems to be on lost citizens and more on Citizens United and dark money in politics.

 

[HawkNester]

This is an interesting topic especially because I am more conservative on it than a lot of my stances, but there is a large majority of the republican posters on here that seem very willing to make some changes. The problem hardly seems to be on lost citizens and more on Citizens United and dark money in politics.

The cons are “pro-life” until something like this happens. Same thing with social issues, and the George Floyd situation. There’s a correlation between the “pro-life” crowd and independent thinking ability.

 

[dandh]

The insurance question is interesting. I wonder how many gun owners who seldom use their guns would get rid of some or all of their arsenal? I certainly would.

If we had such laws, I wonder what the rates would be for different types of guns? I mean if I'm an insurance company and I'm on the hook for gun misuse, I'm definitely going to charge more for a Bushmaster than for a single shot squirrel gun.

Over time, this would be a sort-of free market way to identify the more problematic weapons.

It might also limit personal arsenal size as well as type. The problem might be finding companies which would actually sell this type of insurance.

 

[Moral]

The cons are “pro-life” until something like this happens. Same thing with social issues, and the George Floyd situation. There’s a correlation between the “pro-life” crowd and independent thinking ability.

That’s tea.

 

[ihhawk]

This is an interesting topic especially because I am more conservative on it than a lot of my stances, but there is a large majority of the republican posters on here that seem very willing to make some changes. The problem hardly seems to be on lost citizens and more on Citizens United and dark money in politics.

As a conservative, I historically have been in the “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” mindset.

The youth between ages 16-21 honestly scare me. I think they need that extra time to mature and frankly experience some life. When you start looking at the school shootings the past 5 years, they are all fitting the same mold.

A small change like this can only help.

 

[dandh]

The cons are “pro-life” until something like this happens. Same thing with social issues, and the George Floyd situation. There’s a correlation between the “pro-life” crowd and independent thinking ability.

Here I was thinking we could actually have a discussion without labels. Most people have a variety of thought and are neither "con" nor "prog", yet we insist on boxing them in.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I wonder if there is any connection between being a perpetual war nation and our mass murders domestically.

I agree.

I also wonder how the glorification of violence and vigilanteism in our media impacts or drives these problems. I'm inclined to point to the era of Rambo and Death Wish as a critical turning point in the way Americans began to accept and even cheer these behaviors.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I'm curious why more people aren't voting for the database option. I mean it's still pretty popular, but not at the level of background checks or even the mental health option.

If you are one who rejected the database option, would you also reject state-level data bases? I mean is it that you reject the database part or is it that you reject the federal part?

 

[HawkNester]

I agree.

I also wonder how the glorification of violence and vigilanteism in our media impacts or drives these problems. I'm inclined to point to the era of Rambo and Death Wish as a critical turning point in the way Americans began to accept and even cheer these behaviors.

We are clearly a toxic culture, how much more than other countries might be hard to compare, and how all that relates to guns. I do know the amount of guns in the United States is concerning.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

This statement of the mental health restriction is better than what was being talked about a couple of years back - when someone who merely asked his GP about depression or anxiety could be denied his 2A rights - but it's still problematic. There's no adjudication process. What counts as dangerous? What are the qualifications for knowing when someone is dangerous?

And there will always be doctors who, for a price, will certify that an individual is capable of owning a firearm. Much like all the docs who used to sign off on medical marijuana for 22 year olds with “unspecified back pain.”

 

[Moral]

I agree.

I also wonder how the glorification of violence and vigilanteism in our media impacts or drives these problems. I'm inclined to point to the era of Rambo and Death Wish as a critical turning point in the way Americans began to accept and even cheer these behaviors.

It would be interesting to follow up with one of the mass murderers on why they picked their method. In my head, I decided it was mostly a suicide plan that also obtains them infamy. Because of their horrendous actions thousands of people will read their manifestos, sympathize with them, and give them voice even after that brutality, keeping them alive in history.

 

[HawkNester]

Here I was thinking we could actually have a discussion without labels. Most people have a variety of thought and are neither "con" nor "prog", yet we insist on boxing them in.

Liberals Think Gun Violence is a Big Problem, Conservatives Not So Much

Overall, around half of all U.S. residents see gun violence as a huge issue in the country, according to a recent report from the Pew Research Center.

www.route-fifty.com

 

[FlickShagwell]

So co-ed showers in dorms? That would be fun.

The novelty of showering with a girl wears off when it’s time for her to wash her hair and you have to stand at the back of the shower with no hot water. #shrinkage

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

It might also limit personal arsenal size as well as type. The problem might be finding companies which would actually sell this type of insurance.

Yep. That's why I called it a sort-of free market approach. I mean the requirement part isn't free market but the costs would be set by the free market.

I think gun violence is too big a problem to leave it entirely to the market, but I would be really interested to see how things would play out if we went this route.

 

[Moral]

The novelty of showering with a girl wears off when it’s time for her to wash her hair and you have to stand at the back of the shower with no hot water. #shrinkage

This post is very relatable.

 

[dandh]

Liberals Think Gun Violence is a Big Problem, Conservatives Not So Much

Overall, around half of all U.S. residents see gun violence as a huge issue in the country, according to a recent report from the Pew Research Center.

www.route-fifty.com

Most people are neither. The constructs are too ill-defined to be useful, and the stereotypes associated with each get in the way of open discourse, imo. Assigning people to teams gives them an artificial reason to disagree.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Liberals Think Gun Violence is a Big Problem, Conservatives Not So Much

Overall, around half of all U.S. residents see gun violence as a huge issue in the country, according to a recent report from the Pew Research Center.

www.route-fifty.com

Good stuff in that article.

 

[dandh]

This post is very relatable.

If she's washing her hair at some point she will turn her back to the shower head. That would not cause shrinkage for me, regardless of water blockage.

 

[FlickShagwell]

But wait.... She's facing away from you and bent over most of that time.

Can't you think of something to occupy your time?

I was talking about the other two minutes and fifty seconds it takes girls to wash their hair.

 

[HawkNester]

Most people are neither. The constructs are too ill-defined to be useful, and the stereotypes associated with each get in the way of open discourse, imo. Assigning people to teams gives them an artificial reason to disagree.

Then why are we being held hostage by 10 Senators who have an R by their name, who don’t have the guts to vote for change.

 

[SSG T]

I'll admit, I added one to the list I've posted here many times.

Full, 100% background check on all sales (require every jurisdiction in the country to accurately maintain their entries)

Require gun handling, firing, safety and storage training, to include all forms of pistols, rifles and shotguns.

Require licensing, want a gun, get a license prior to buying (along with the training).

Register every firearm and accessory. You can do it at the time of the background check.

<added>
Ban high capacity magazines. Outside of combat, no one needs more than 7-8 rounds for a pistol, 10 for a rifle. If you can't kill what you're firing at in that amount of rounds, you shouldn't be carrying a firearm.

As for assault weapons, put an additional tax on any semi-automatic, center fire rifle similar to the tax on full autos. But don't ban them.

I do have some other thoughts, but this list would suffice for now. And no, I wouldn't target mass shootings, just keeping fire arms out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them.