There are 3 main options to play and backup the 5 this fall: Woody, JU, Jones. I just don't think it's wise to start all 3 of them. The feeling that we should I think arises from the idea that we need to play like the Iowa team of 2014-15. As Fran has already said, this is a different type of team.
possible starting lineup this fall
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This is my lineup. With Jones hitting 45% from downtown, and the expected continued improvements of JU, Jok and a good arm for Gesell, we will really be able to spread the floor like no team I can remember in the last couple of decades. #stoked
SF-Jarrod Uthoff 6'9" 215lbs Sr. 20
PF-Dale Jones 6'8" 220lbs. Jr. TBA
C-Adam Woodbury 7'1" 245lbs Sr. 34
OG-Peter Jok 6'6" 200lbs. Jr. 3
PG-Mike Gesell 6'2" 190lbs. Sr. 10
Uhl could rotate in for eight-ten minutes per half to spell JU, DJ, and AW in succession for 2-3 minutes each. Clemmons could do the same to spell the guards. Baer and Ellingson are foul trouble/injury reserves. Red-shirt all five freshman! Not really...but it would probably make for a competitive team and lay one great foundation for the future, as long as the freshmen all bought in.
PF-Dale Jones 6'8" 220lbs. Jr. TBA
C-Adam Woodbury 7'1" 245lbs Sr. 34
OG-Peter Jok 6'6" 200lbs. Jr. 3
PG-Mike Gesell 6'2" 190lbs. Sr. 10
Uhl could rotate in for eight-ten minutes per half to spell JU, DJ, and AW in succession for 2-3 minutes each. Clemmons could do the same to spell the guards. Baer and Ellingson are foul trouble/injury reserves. Red-shirt all five freshman! Not really...but it would probably make for a competitive team and lay one great foundation for the future, as long as the freshmen all bought in.
Sounds allot like the talk about Jarrod Uthoff after his first year. Lost, fell down all the time, struggled with turnovers, basically squeezed out of the rotation by the end of the year.
I spent allot of posts explaining to people why none of that was going to matter once he got more PT. Because his talent was clearly visible if you knew what to look for, even amidst all the mistakes.
I was right.
We'll see if I'm right again.
RnRFace...
1st. Everyone is pulling for Uhl to improve substantially. The Hawks absolutely need some to develop at his position and, as I said above, he will have the upper hand because of the experience of last year, being a year older than the freshman, Wagner and Brandon Hutton.
2nd. No one is saying he won't pan out, including me. I am merely saying that he was unimpressive as a freshman.
3rd. There is no comparison between Uthoff's 2014 season and Uhl's 2015 season, at least not for one arguing your position. Uthoff played almost twice as many minutes and at a much deeper position. In 2014 Uthoff had to compete for PT with Basabe, White and McCabe and still played over 600 minutes, shot 50% from the field, 42.5% from 3, and 81.7% from the line. Uthoff had 2 and half times the rebounds in slightly less than twice the minutes. Uthoff had 26 assists, 35 blocks and 11 steals. Uhl's comparables are 14, 8 and 7. Everything about Uthoff's 2014 season was much, much better than Uhl's 2015 season. So saying that the "talent was clearly visible" makes a lot more sense for a 4 star recruit with Uthoff's numbers than a 3 star recruit with Uhl's numbers.
Uhl didn't look hopeless but saying that he was "impressive" stretches the definition of that word well past the breaking point. There is far less rational basis for predicting great things out of a guy with Uhl's numbers than Uthoff's coming off their first year. But hey, I'm a gambler and love the long shot. I sure hope you are right about Uhl. I cannot think of much better than a versatile 6'8" guy that can shoot inside and out, draw fouls, rebound and play defense.
1st. Everyone is pulling for Uhl to improve substantially. The Hawks absolutely need some to develop at his position and, as I said above, he will have the upper hand because of the experience of last year, being a year older than the freshman, Wagner and Brandon Hutton.
2nd. No one is saying he won't pan out, including me. I am merely saying that he was unimpressive as a freshman.
3rd. There is no comparison between Uthoff's 2014 season and Uhl's 2015 season, at least not for one arguing your position. Uthoff played almost twice as many minutes and at a much deeper position. In 2014 Uthoff had to compete for PT with Basabe, White and McCabe and still played over 600 minutes, shot 50% from the field, 42.5% from 3, and 81.7% from the line. Uthoff had 2 and half times the rebounds in slightly less than twice the minutes. Uthoff had 26 assists, 35 blocks and 11 steals. Uhl's comparables are 14, 8 and 7. Everything about Uthoff's 2014 season was much, much better than Uhl's 2015 season. So saying that the "talent was clearly visible" makes a lot more sense for a 4 star recruit with Uthoff's numbers than a 3 star recruit with Uhl's numbers.
Uhl didn't look hopeless but saying that he was "impressive" stretches the definition of that word well past the breaking point. There is far less rational basis for predicting great things out of a guy with Uhl's numbers than Uthoff's coming off their first year. But hey, I'm a gambler and love the long shot. I sure hope you are right about Uhl. I cannot think of much better than a versatile 6'8" guy that can shoot inside and out, draw fouls, rebound and play defense.
People were actually way more down on Uthoff at the end of 14 than they are on Uhl now. Uthoff started out good in the pre conference but had a couple month long stretch where he was really bad and basically lost most of his minutes to McCabe.
You are probably the most down poster on Uhl I've seen.
Stats mean very little for a freshman who saw so few minutes.
Like I said, well see if I'm right but I've already seen enough to be confident I will be.
You are probably the most down poster on Uhl I've seen.
Stats mean very little for a freshman who saw so few minutes.
Like I said, well see if I'm right but I've already seen enough to be confident I will be.
So we share a motto....rarely wrong but never in doubt. Stats are very important. For example, I've never even heard of a ten minute per game player, 2.1 PPG scorer being described as impressive. If so you must have mourned the loss of Joe Fermino.
Uthoff really struggled in conference play. He averaged 4 points and three rebounds in 16 minutes where Uhl averaged just under 2 points and 1.5 rebounds in 9 minutes. But lets not act like they are both 1st year players, Uthoff was a 3rd year player so its apples to oranges. No one is saying the numbers are impressive, but there are certainly parts of Uhl's game that will translate if given more minutes and time to develope physically.
Experience will rule playing time.
Jones did not show much defensive presence in the hs games I saw him. He could shoot the long ball well. He will have to show me much more toughness and effort on Defense to get minutes. Starters may play a lot of minutes this year in close games.
PT should be fun watching the new kids and seeing if Uhl has improved and if Uthoff is stronger and has Woody found more offense and can Clemmons continue his improvement and can Gessell get his shooting touch back.
Who starts and who plays will be much easier to tell after PT.
Jones did not show much defensive presence in the hs games I saw him. He could shoot the long ball well. He will have to show me much more toughness and effort on Defense to get minutes. Starters may play a lot of minutes this year in close games.
PT should be fun watching the new kids and seeing if Uhl has improved and if Uthoff is stronger and has Woody found more offense and can Clemmons continue his improvement and can Gessell get his shooting touch back.
Who starts and who plays will be much easier to tell after PT.
Depends on what you're looking for and what role the player is being asked to fill.
I'm looking for physical abilities that are generally common and useful traits of effective basketball players like quick jumping, speed, athleticism, hand eye coordination and ball handling.
The main thing I saw limiting Uhl last year was simply being a freshman on a team full of upperclassmen.
When a player is only getting a few sporadic minutes a game it will often tend to limit what they feel comfortable trying to do.
There's reasons most freshman rarely average a bunch of points.
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