Practice Notes Part 2
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It is actually a very simple analogy to follow....But, being from California, I get how it could be difficult for you!
I get the analogy, but comparing a student athlete leaving a university for another to my wife committing adultery is asinine. If our university lost two multiple time AAs to another program, it would say more about problems within our own program than it would about issues with the program our athletes are transferring to.It is actually a very simple analogy to follow....But, being from California, I get how it could be difficult for you!
Calling the other program cheaters on social media because you don’t like the rules is juvenile.
me crying that someone is cheating is a lot different than a d1 coach saying it about another coach.
It’s the guy’s livelihood we are discussing. I am not really arguing against how you feel about the situation. I am arguing against how you think HE should feel. Having wrestlers he put 5 years into end up going to another program is absolutely infuriating and how it happened can almost certainly feel very much like someone stole his wife.
Mind you, I know I am on an Iowa site, so I really don’t expect any of you to bend. I am just saying Lee is a good dude and doesn’t just say things like he did without feeling very strongly about his position on the subject…
Oh, he feels strongly about it? Well why didn’t you say so?! Totally justified then. I concede……
Is there video of Iowa staff pointing a gun at these 3 transfer's heads and forcing them to go to IC? If not, then it was ultimately their decision. ASU staff being mad 2 of theirs left is ok. They have a right to not like it. Just like the athletes had a right to do it. Seems it must have been within the rules since I haven't seen anybody stop it. Maybe the coach ought to be pissed at the wrestlers. Or their own staff for not playing the game with the new rules and keeping his wrestlers happy enough to stay. Or the NCAA or whomever has let this whole process bloom to the shitshow it is now.
Man sometimes your schtick gets really tiresome and annoying and it’s all I can do to not put you on ignore! We all know where you stand on the subject so just move on, it’s really not that difficult.
I believe it boils down to a lack of self awareness.
His strong feelings on the subject don't in the slightest justify his post if it is saying Iowa cheated.
I am not on here to make anonymous friends on an anonymous message board. I state my unabashed opinions happily inviting any/all vitriol that may come my way from those that disagree.
You are welcome to dislike me and/or ignore me. It won’t change a thing on my end, but it seems it may help yours. May your decision benefit you greatly!
I think if we're not in the grey area we're doing a big disservice to our team and our fan base. Like you said, everything is the "Wild, Wild, West" and I'm just glad we're doing our part. I'm tired of getting our asses beat by PSU at the end of the year and I'm tired of getting beat in the recruiting race by schools that have no business being close to us in recruiting. I'm all for grey, and if there's a legal way to get even more grey I'm all for that too. Anything legal and I'm all in!!
Iowa reached out to wrestlers on current rosters to entice them to leave. You're kidding yourself if you don't think that happened.
I don't recall Iowa fans being so supportive when there was a hot rumor about Oklahoma trying to do the same with Ayala. Funny how that works.
Don't forget the key detail that the rumor was someone on the Oklahoma staff reached out rather than a booster. At least make apples to apples comparisons when trying so hard to be a dick. Boosters can approach anyone at any time as far as I know due to the ruling awhile back. I'm pretty sure staff can't.
MSU... Sorry buddy but in no way shape or form can you justify that coach calling the Iowa wrestling program a bunch of cheaters. I don't blame the guy for being mad at losing his guys, but his choice of words are inexcusable. Especially knowing how he and other coaches have bent over and taken it from a certain school out East while knowing what that program was doing prior to NIL.
I will also say you would be hard pressed to find a more stringent compliance department than what the coaches deal with at Iowa. There's a great likelihood that ASU has actually cheated some in the past by doing things in the gray area that isn't allowed at Iowa.
No one from the Iowa Staff reached out to wrestlers on a current roster of another team and enticed them to come to Iowa.
To be clear, I NEVER said Iowa cheated, nor do I personally believe they did. I have been clear on my "grey" area stance from the beginning and I DO NOT think "grey" is cheating. I am simply pointing out why I find it understandable that Lee believes it to be the case. On top of that, with the way the rules have been rapidly changing, it is entirely possible that what/how Iowa did to contact these guys MAY have been against the rules quite recently, even if they no longer are...
Lol “Iowa Staff”, no just the guy whose name is on the wall. If you don’t think they were looped in/coordinating it you’re an idiot
So you're going with the "kidding yourself" option then. Got it.
I know you didn't say that. I'm saying you know the coach used the wrong words. You should walk back justifying him accusing Iowa of being cheaters. Especially the way he worded it was like Iowa does nothing but cheat. There's no excuse for the wording he used. Being pissed is fine and I don't blame him for being mad about losing some key guys. But saying they cheated is wrong. AND by the sounds of it he should know boosters are the ones who made the moves. He should direct his venom towards the NCAA and NIL rather than Iowa. Iowa is just doing what every team out there is trying to do. Thankfully they just had the funds to do it better. And don't think for a second if Lee had the money from a booster he wouldn't have loved the booster to "steal" a stud from some other team.
Try again. If anything, it is the literal opposite. I am 100% aware of what I am posting on here and what responses I am likely to get. Mind you, trying to judge someone based on how they post on an anonymous message board almost certainly "lacks more self awareness" than the person you are trying to judge!
I get what you are saying. I really do. But, from what I have heard, he actually really does believe they cheated. Hence, the reason they reported Iowa in the first place. Again, I think he is wrong and it seems the courts are essentially removing damn near all the rules that govern transferring, retroactively, rendering any argument he thinks he has moot.
First, is was OSU that reached out to Ayala, not Oklahoma. And, the point with Ayala was to show others teams are doing it as well but Iowa is the only one in the hot seat.
Not "kidding myself" just stating facts to correct an ignorant post.
Your post didn't refute mine as my post said nothing about "Iowa staff." The ignorance lies on your end, with the belief some random person with no direct link to the program just randomly started reaching out to wrestlers on other teams. That's true ignorance aka kidding yourself.
Thanks for mentioning the proper school. Doesn't change my point--it was hardly well received by the Iowa fan base.
My post clarified that no one from the Iowa Staff reached out to wrestlers on a roster of another team.
My post is 100% correct.
Yes and not a single person on here would have been okay with it because it's "technically" legal.
Everybody implicitly understands what's going on. Iowa boosters recruited guys on other rosters to transfer. That appears to be within the rules. However, it is a huge break from precedent. In the past, this would be cut and dry cheating and I would venture to guess most people, myself included, think it still should be!
If you don't understand why Lee Pritts would be post what he posted, you are either lying to yourself or stupid.
Social media hate seems like a pretty good trade for 2 finalists and a 4x AA. But that's just me.
Absolutely. Even though I am defending Lee for why he took his stance, I absolutely APPLAUD Iowa for what they have done in the portal. It is beyond impressive.
It is likely within the rules now - because the rules don't clearly state they can't. If not stated you can't - then you can.
You start by increasing your "self awareness" and using a "?" at the end of a question, instead of a "."
Even if he believes they cheated he 1. Should get up to date on the lack of rules currently 2. Not run to Facebook and hijack a post made by an ex Iowa wrestler about a practice. There just isn't a valid excuse for him posting what he did. And I will reiterate he should be angry with NIL and the NCAA. Or the team out East that is kicking everyone's ass while they all worry about what Iowa is doing.
If he really believes Iowa “cheated” then he doesn’t know the rules.
You love the strawman argument.
You called out a poster saying he'd be upset if someone did do it with Drake. When in fact someone did try it with Drake - did that poster say anything to the effect of its BS - this board predominantly understood that is the landscape and mostly just said Drake is taken care of and isn't leaving. Very few people were upset about it.
I was pointing out how you used Drake as an example and it was a bad one because it did happen and most people on this board weren't upset as you said.
And again you use a strawman saying that I don't understand Lee why Lee Pritts is mad. I never said anything about Lee Pritts, I get why he's upset, but calling Iowa cheaters when it's within the rules is childish.
I'm sorry, did I miss the news that Drake transferred? Because that's the only way this becomes comparable.
Talk about strawman...
