Prior Iowa QBs with prolific high school numbers

[ghostOfHomer777]

Look at guys like Tate and Vandenberg ... two of the very few Iowa QBs during the Ferentz era who had high school numbers that were in the same ball-park as Petras's production ... they put up numbers in the high 3000s and had 62%+ completion percentages too. The only other guy who might be in the same conversation too may have been Jake Christensen's production from his JR year ... but, if memory serves, his completion percentage was sub 60%.

The interesting observation is that both Tate and Vandenberg did great passing the ball within O'Keefe's offense. Similarly, Petras is a guy who will have O'Keefe as his QB coach ... and the scaffolding of Brian's O is O'Keefe's old O.

Another somewhat interesting observation is that all of the aforementioned guys ended up being starters for the Hawks (for better or worse). Furthermore, it strikes me as interesting that Petras is a bit of a physical clone of Stanley ... both in the ball park of 6-5 220ish.

Of course, past precedent points to guys with great intangibles succeeding for the Hawks too ... namely, looking at guys like Beathard and Stanzi too (Stanley's high school numbers weren't otherworldly either). Thus, as we look to the future, it will be very intriguing to see how the QB competitions end up shaking out.

 

[goodbyebobby]

Look at guys like Tate and Vandenberg ... two of the very few Iowa QBs during the Ferentz era who had high school numbers that were in the same ball-park as Petras's production ... they put up numbers in the high 3000s and had 62%+ completion percentages too. The only other guy who might be in the same conversation too may have been Jake Christensen's production from his JR year ... but, if memory serves, his completion percentage was sub 60%.

The interesting observation is that both Tate and Vandenberg did great passing the ball within O'Keefe's offense. Similarly, Petras is a guy who will have O'Keefe as his QB coach ... and the scaffolding of Brian's O is O'Keefe's old O.

Another somewhat interesting observation is that all of the aforementioned guys ended up being starters for the Hawks (for better or worse). Furthermore, it strikes me as interesting that Petras is a bit of a physical clone of Stanley ... both in the ball park of 6-5 220ish.

Of course, past precedent points to guys with great intangibles succeeding for the Hawks too ... namely, looking at guys like Beathard and Stanzi too (Stanley's high school numbers weren't otherworldly either). Thus, as we look to the future, it will be very intriguing to see how the QB competitions end up shaking out.

Petras' throwing motion totally reminds me of JVB. Poor kid got screwed.

 

[Harbinger273]

I'd been wondering how Petras compared with prior guys mainly Tate. I certainly hope KOK is still around through the Petras years. That would be best for Petras and the Hawks. If all the pieces are in place around him and the offense gets to hummin' we could see some unprecedented years in the near future. I'm inclined to think Stanley has a couple big years coming up too. That could really set the stage for Petras.

 

[Birky]

IIRC, Jason Manson had outstanding HS numbers.

 

[TheHawkeyeDudeAbides]

I'd been wondering how Petras compared with prior guys mainly Tate. I certainly hope KOK is still around through the Petras years. That would be best for Petras and the Hawks. If all the pieces are in place around him and the offense gets to hummin' we could see some unprecedented years in the near future. I'm inclined to think Stanley has a couple big years coming up too. That could really set the stage for Petras.

Harb.....Some staff changes are coming sooner (likely in the next three years) than you would hope. Reese Morgan is going to be 68 at the start of next season. I'd say he will retire in a couple of years but Kelvin Bell will have earned his promotion to DL coach. KOK will be 65 at the start of the Fall schedule. I'd venture to say that Ken wants to go out on top and if Stanley stay two more years and wins a B1G conference championship, KOK will may step aside for newer blood (Polasek and Copeland both played QB in college but who can say if an outsider may be added). KOK may hold off for another year. We will see.

I am fairly sure that Kirk wants Brian to work 4 or 5 seasons at OC before Kirk considers retirement. Kirk's love for the Iowa program means he wants to leave it in great capable hands with good talent in stock. Kirk knows first hand that rebuilding a program from the lower rungs of a Power 5 conference is getting more challenging everyday. The next two seasons will be very telling at Iowa. The negative recruiting tales other programs use to besmirch the Iowa program( Kirk )can be combatted if Brian is succeeding in his role and Iowa is moving upwards in performance. The last thing Iowa needs to happen is go thru a major HC search and have to compete($$$) for some hot mid-major HC who has only 3 years of organizational leadership and is a big "rah-rah" slogans guy like Fleck, Frost, or Campbell.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Harb.....Some staff changes are coming sooner (likely in the next three years) than you would hope. Reese Morgan is going to be 68 at the start of next season. I'd say he will retire in a couple of years but Kelvin Bell will have earned his promotion to DL coach. KOK will be 65 at the start of the Fall schedule. I'd venture to say that Ken wants to go out on top and if Stanley stay two more years and wins a B1G conference championship, KOK will may step aside for newer blood (Polasek and Copeland both played QB in college but who can say if an outsider may be added). KOK may hold off for another year. We will see.

I am fairly sure that Kirk wants Brian to work 4 or 5 seasons at OC before Kirk considers retirement. Kirk's love for the Iowa program means he wants to leave it in great capable hands with good talent in stock. Kirk knows first hand that rebuilding a program from the lower rungs of a Power 5 conference is getting more challenging everyday. The next two seasons will be very telling at Iowa. The negative recruiting tales other programs use to besmirch the Iowa program( Kirk )can be combatted if Brian is succeeding in his role and Iowa is moving upwards in performance. The last thing Iowa needs to happen is go thru a major HC search and have to compete($$$) for some hot mid-major HC who has only 3 years of organizational leadership and is a big "rah-rah" slogans guy like Fleck, Frost, or Campbell.

O'Keefe's contract was a 3 year deal. So the implication is that Petras will still benefit, AT LEAST, from 2 years of mentorship from Ken. Furthermore, by then, Brian will have had Ken in his ear for at least 3 years ... so he'll be much more comfortable when the time comes when he needs to mentor the QBs himself.

Additionally, both Kelton and Tim were QBs back in their playing days. Thus, they will continue to be important contributing members to the staff.

Morgan will retire at some point in time, but my guess is that Kelvin will be ready to take over by then.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

Wouldn't hurt to bring in a guy with NFL QB (coaching or playing) experience as QB coach - in the distant future when KOK retires. Ken has done a great job with Iowa QBs, we were dumb to let him go and lucky to get him back.

 

[cocoem]

Harb.....Some staff changes are coming sooner (likely in the next three years) than you would hope. Reese Morgan is going to be 68 at the start of next season. I'd say he will retire in a couple of years but Kelvin Bell will have earned his promotion to DL coach. KOK will be 65 at the start of the Fall schedule. I'd venture to say that Ken wants to go out on top and if Stanley stay two more years and wins a B1G conference championship, KOK will may step aside for newer blood (Polasek and Copeland both played QB in college but who can say if an outsider may be added). KOK may hold off for another year. We will see.

I am fairly sure that Kirk wants Brian to work 4 or 5 seasons at OC before Kirk considers retirement. Kirk's love for the Iowa program means he wants to leave it in great capable hands with good talent in stock. Kirk knows first hand that rebuilding a program from the lower rungs of a Power 5 conference is getting more challenging everyday. The next two seasons will be very telling at Iowa. The negative recruiting tales other programs use to besmirch the Iowa program( Kirk )can be combatted if Brian is succeeding in his role and Iowa is moving upwards in performance. The last thing Iowa needs to happen is go thru a major HC search and have to compete($$$) for some hot mid-major HC who has only 3 years of organizational leadership and is a big "rah-rah" slogans guy like Fleck, Frost, or Campbell.

Really good post....but to the masses that think Iowa will pull a big timer, this will make no sense and actually get them all out of sorts. The best case scenario for the program is how you laid it out. Iowa has done as well as it has because of the consistency throughout the coaching staff. Blow that up and get into the coaching carousel every three or four seasons will be the kiss of death.

 

[goodbyebobby]

Wouldn't hurt to bring in a guy with NFL QB (coaching or playing) experience as QB coach - in the distant future when KOK retires. Ken has done a great job with Iowa QBs, we were dumb to let him go and lucky to get him back.

I never got the impression he was fired? Thought he got tired of this fan base, can't blame him, and deal with Dolphins worked out with daughter living in Florida.

Either way, you're correct, we're lucky to have him back.

 

[DodgerHawki]

I never got the impression he was fired? Thought he got tired of this fan base, can't blame him, and deal with Dolphins worked out with daughter living in Florida.

Either way, you're correct, we're lucky to have him back.

Yes KOK left of his own accord. Joined his coaching buddy Joe Philbin in the NFL with the Dolphins (Philbin was the OL coach at Iowa from 1999-2002 before Philbin went to Green Bay). Can't blame a guy for wanting to go to the NFL for a bit with his friend in Miami. The Iowa fan base can be difficult, but nothing compared to other places or the NFL.

 

[Hawkeyeinsoutherncalifornia]

We now have the “Greek Freak” at quarterback

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Still pretty amazed at the love for KOK. I think he was a good add to the staff, but he was crushed by the fans during his OC stint. Now, apparently, his sh*t doesn't stink. I guess absence makes the heart grow fonder.

I like the way the coaching staff continues to "evolve", rather than a complete re-do. At this point, I have no reason to believe that BF wouldn't be just as good a hire at HC, or better, than some "up and comer" from parts unknown.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Still pretty amazed at the love for KOK. I think he was a good add to the staff, but he was crushed by the fans during his OC stint. Now, apparently, his sh*t doesn't stink. I guess absence makes the heart grow fonder.

I like the way the coaching staff continues to "evolve", rather than a complete re-do. At this point, I have no reason to believe that BF wouldn't be just as good a hire at HC, or better, than some "up and comer" from parts unknown.

O'Keefe was a knee-jerk target when he wss the OC. I don't think the issue is that his crap doesn't stink as much as he gets to focus more on something he's really good at ... O'Keefe is a teacher first. We cannot forget that O'Keefe mentored Brad Banks. Furthermore, he obviously did a great job with Ricky Stanzi and Vandenberg too. Lastly, as a head coach at Alegheny State he saw great success too.

A 'flashback' ....

https://www.si.com/vault/1990/12/17...e-division-iii-title-wasnt-what-mattered-most

 

[CO_hawk]

O'Keefe was a knee-jerk target when he wss the OC. I don't think the issue is that his crap doesn't stink as much as he gets to focus more on something he's really good at ... O'Keefe is a teacher first. We cannot forget that O'Keefe mentored Brad Banks. Furthermore, he obviously did a great job with Ricky Stanzi and Vandenberg too. Lastly, as a head coach at Alegheny State he saw great success too.

A 'flashback' ....

https://www.si.com/vault/1990/12/17...e-division-iii-title-wasnt-what-mattered-most

No the problem is when you post one negative comment towards a person on the Internet, everyone thinks you hate that guy and want him gone.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

O'Keefe was a knee-jerk target when he wss the OC. I don't think the issue is that his crap doesn't stink as much as he gets to focus more on something he's really good at ... O'Keefe is a teacher first. We cannot forget that O'Keefe mentored Brad Banks. Furthermore, he obviously did a great job with Ricky Stanzi and Vandenberg too.

Huh, you left out Jake Christensen.

Don't get me wrong, I like KOK on the staff today. And, with some hindsight, he's the best OC Iowa has had under KF, and even going back to some HF years. I'm still holding out hope that this staff on offense, under BF, will prove to be the best.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Huh, you left out Jake Christensen.

Don't get me wrong, I like KOK on the staff today. And, with some hindsight, he's the best OC Iowa has had under KF, and even going back to some HF years. I'm still holding out hope that this staff on offense, under BF, will prove to be the best.

In all honesty ... I'm willing to bet that my take on Christensen isn't that different than Kirk's.

The "thing" with Christensen in '07 was that the guy got caught in a massive cluster-fluck of a personnel situation on the O. Jones played as a TR FR in '03. Some other guys from that period didn't develop due to injuries. Dace Richardson was slated to be a star OT for us .... but injuries derailed his career too. Our best C for that season, Bruggeman, was also lost for the season (right after he had been put on scholarship).

On top of all the OL issues .... the whole Dom Douglas stuff kinda blew up in our faces pretty much right before the season. Thus, the top guy that Christensen may have developed timing with was lost due to his own stupidity (along with Bowman too). On top of that, once the season was underway, Moeaki and Brodell got lost for the season quite early in the season. Furthermore, tensions rose even more when some of Stross's antics elicited an overly physical response by Coach Johnson (I long suspect that that altercation was the beginning of the end of his love affair with coaching).

Anyhow, I think that Christensen got caught in situation where it was effectively impossible for his development to move forward. The pass-pro was terrible and the WRs were simply not on the same page as the QB ... largely due to experience.

Due to the crappiness of the aforementioned scenario ... that is why I anticipate that O'Keefe and Ferentz didn't really give reps to other QBs ... they didn't want to break any of their other young QBs. That may have also been a big part of the reason why Christensen got such a protracted opportunity during the '08 season .... Ferentz likely felt guilty for how screwed Christensen was back in '07.

 

[Fan In Black]

Dont forget KFs first QB commitment Jon Beutjer. 66 % 3400 yds and 54 TDs for Warren out of Ill. That was in 1998.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Dont forget KFs first QB commitment Jon Beutjer. 66 % 3400 yds and 54 TDs for Warren out of Ill. That was in 1998.

Aeillo kinda screwed that one up for the Hawks, eh? Of course, the other guys I mentioned had numbers in the higher 3000s (like 3700ish yards). However, that said, those are A LOT of TD passes thrown by Beutjer.

 

[Fan In Black]

Aeillo kinda screwed that one up for the Hawks, eh? Of course, the other guys I mentioned had numbers in the higher 3000s (like 3700ish yards). However, that said, those are A LOT of TD passes thrown by Beutjer.

Hey, that cable bill needed to be paid.

 

[camickle]

I wish the site would do a better job of posting HS stats. I always dig around for them as I get more excited about guys who put up big numbers. If you can not dominate on that level, I have a hard time believing you will at the D1 level.
Of course tape matters, but then I look for: 1000 yard+ WRs
1400 yard, 20 TD, 8+ ypc RBs
3000 yard, 25:5, 60% or better QBs
etc.