Protecting children from chemical and surgical mutilation

[Hawk_82]

Trump put an end to chemical and surgical transgender treatment for children. I have been pushing this for quite some time. I believe we will find that the suicide rate does not increase for this population even though their transgender treatment is taken away. I guess time will tell whether transgender care actually does decrease suicidality or whether I am right that it was an activist driven scam.

I can't wait to see the research that results from this executive order.

Protecting Children from Chemical and Surgical Mutilation – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Policy and

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[drew_hawk]

 

[BelemNole]

Thanks op but we already have our dumbass trans hater quota filled. Try peddling this on Twitter.

 

[Hawk_82]

Thanks op but we already have our dumbass trans hater quota filled. Try peddling this on Twitter.

Its kind of a big deal. I have argued with people for the last 6 years telling you that you were wrong about trans and that the research will come out proving you wrong. Now that my theory is playing out, you are done talking about it. LOL.

 

[drew_hawk]

Its kind of a big deal. I have argued with people for the last 6 years telling you that you were wrong about trans and that the research will come out proving you wrong. Now that my theory is playing out, you are done talking about it. LOL.

Please provide a link to said research.

 

[BelemNole]

Its kind of a big deal. I have argued with people for the last 6 years telling you that you were wrong about trans and that the research will come out proving you wrong. Now that my theory is playing out, you are done talking about it. LOL.

Let me guess, your theory was found on Twitter.
Like all the other low iq numpties.

 

[Hawk_82]

Please provide a link to said research.

Did you not read the OP? I said I cant wait the see the research that results from this executive order.

Having said that, the research does not prove that gender affirming care like is claimed by the WPATH and many other pro gender care activists. This is a lie that comes from some online surveys by trans activists, then this claim has been spewed all over as if it were a fact. Please show me a single study that isolates gender from the other mental health illnesses and their effect on suicide rates.

Trump put an end to chemical and surgical transgender treatment for children. I have been pushing this for quite some time. I believe we will find that the suicide rate does not increase for this population even though their transgender treatment is taken away. I guess time will tell whether transgender care actually does decrease suicidality or whether I am right that it was an activist driven scam.

I can't wait to see the research that results from this executive order.

Protecting Children from Chemical and Surgical Mutilation – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Policy and

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[drew_hawk]

Did you not read the OP? I said I cant wait the see the research that results from this executive order.

Having said that, the research does not prove that gender affirming care like is claimed by the WPATH and many other pro gender care activists. This is a lie that comes from some online surveys by trans activists, then this claim has been spewed all over as if it were a fact. Please show me a single study that isolates gender from the other mental health illnesses and their effect on suicide rates.

So you don't have any actual research to site? Got it.

 

[Slappy Pappy]

"Protecting" from who? Their parents?

I thought conservatives cared about Parent's Choice? Children cannot receive medical treatment without parents permission. More Big Government Republicans invading families lives with their federal bureaucracy and committees.

Virtually no children receive any surgery other than deformed/middlesex children. Medication is almost always reversible and usually is prescribed for suicide/self harm prevention. The Government should have no role in what parents decide for the families in the constraints and advice of medical professionals.

 

[Hawk_82]

Let me guess, your theory was found on Twitter.
Like all the other low iq numpties.

No. I don't use twitter.
My "theory" is based on my own experiences and a few other people's research as well as reading lots of gender care research.

 

[drew_hawk]

No. I don't use twitter.
My "theory" is based on my own experiences and a few other people's research as well as reading lots of gender care research.

Oh so you can read? That's big.

 

[Moral]

We may be an oligarchy now but at least something about trans.

 

[Hawk_82]

So you don't have any actual research to site? Got it.

Id love to hear your thoughts after reading these. The third link is the cliff notes version.

Final Report – Cass Review

cass.independent-review.uk

The WPATH Files — Environmental Progress

Leaked files from WPATH reveal widespread medical malpractice on children and vulnerable adults at global transgender healthcare authority World Professional Association of Transgender Health (WPATH) members demonstrate a lack of consideration for long-term patient outcomes despite being aware o

environmentalprogress.org

The NHS Ends the "Gender-Affirmative Care Model" for Youth in England

Following extensive stakeholder engagement and a systematic review of evidence, Englandâs National Health Service (NHS) has issued new draft guidance for the treatment of gender dysphoria in minors, which sharply deviates from the âgender-affirmingâ approach. The previous presumption that gender...

segm.org

 

[Hawk_82]

We may be an oligarchy now but at least something about trans.

In time, people will frown upon this genital mutilation and sterilization of children. I'm sure you will be proud to tell your great grandkids that you supported this inhumane medical malpractice.

Nazi human experimentation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[drew_hawk]

Id love to hear your thoughts after reading these. The third link is the cliff notes version.

Final Report – Cass Review

cass.independent-review.uk

The WPATH Files — Environmental Progress

Leaked files from WPATH reveal widespread medical malpractice on children and vulnerable adults at global transgender healthcare authority World Professional Association of Transgender Health (WPATH) members demonstrate a lack of consideration for long-term patient outcomes despite being aware o

environmentalprogress.org

The NHS Ends the "Gender-Affirmative Care Model" for Youth in England

Following extensive stakeholder engagement and a systematic review of evidence, Englandâs National Health Service (NHS) has issued new draft guidance for the treatment of gender dysphoria in minors, which sharply deviates from the âgender-affirmingâ approach. The previous presumption that gender...

segm.org

These are not studies. These are abstracts at best. But I would not expect you to know the difference.

 

[redghost1974]

Did you not read the OP? I said I cant wait the see the research that results from this executive order.

Having said that, the research does not prove that gender affirming care like is claimed by the WPATH and many other pro gender care activists. This is a lie that comes from some online surveys by trans activists, then this claim has been spewed all over as if it were a fact. Please show me a single study that isolates gender from the other mental health illnesses and their effect on suicide rates.

Is this going to be RFK research ala the 4Chan think tank?

 

[Hawk_82]

These are not studies. These are abstracts at best. But I would not expect you to know the difference.

They are not journal articles. LOL congratulations. I don't think you are proving the point you think you are.
This is a review that was issued by NHS England and has basically changed the way Europe approaches transgender care.

The Independent Review of Gender Identity Services for Children and Young People (commonly, the Cass Review) was commissioned in 2020 by NHS England and NHS Improvement[1] and led by Hilary Cass, a retired consultant paediatrician and the former president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health.[2] It dealt with gender services for children and young people, including those with gender dysphoria and those identifying as transgender in England.

Cass Review - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[drew_hawk]

They are not journal articles. LOL congratulations. I don't think you are proving the point you think you are.
This is a review that was issued by NHS England and has basically changed the way Europe approaches transgender care.

The Independent Review of Gender Identity Services for Children and Young People (commonly, the Cass Review) was commissioned in 2020 by NHS England and NHS Improvement[1] and led by Hilary Cass, a retired consultant paediatrician and the former president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health.[2] It dealt with gender services for children and young people, including those with gender dysphoria and those identifying as transgender in England.

Cass Review - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That is a Wikipedia article.

 

[4ohs]

Trump put an end to chemical and surgical transgender treatment for children. I have been pushing this for quite some time. I believe we will find that the suicide rate does not increase for this population even though their transgender treatment is taken away. I guess time will tell whether transgender care actually does decrease suicidality or whether I am right that it was an activist driven scam.

I can't wait to see the research that results from this executive order.

Protecting Children from Chemical and Surgical Mutilation – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Policy and

www.whitehouse.gov

What research is going to result if this as it’s all been put on hold/funding been cut off.

 

[Hawk_82]

What research is going to result if this as it’s all been put on hold/funding been cut off.

If the suicide rate does not rise after gender affirming care is removed, then that means gender affirming care does not decrease the suicide rate. Gender affirming care was pushed because we were told this care was necessary to reduce thee suicide rate. If gender affirming care is not essential, then it should be treated as an elective procedure and not covered by insurance.

 

[4ohs]

If the suicide rate does not rise after gender affirming care is removed, then that means gender affirming care does not decrease the suicide rate. Gender affirming care was pushed because we were told this care was necessary to reduce thee suicide rate. If gender affirming care is not essential, then it should be treated as an elective procedure and not covered by insurance.

And we are going to know what those rates are because of trump funded research? Likely with no peer review?

Do you seriously think he is going to release any information that makes him look bad?

Dude. Duuuuuuuuude……

 

[Hawk_82]

And we are going to know what those rates are because of trump funded research? Likely with no peer review?

Do you seriously think he is going to release any information that makes him look bad?

Dude. Duuuuuuuuude……

The pro transgender "research" is online surveys by transgender activists. We do not have a high bar here.

 

[4ohs]

The pro transgender "research" is online surveys by transgender activists. We do not have a high bar here.

Despite what you think you may know. It’s actually a really high bar. Just like most people. Given our ego. The scientific community hates to be wrong. When they submit their findings for review they are placing the life’s work on the block.

The difference. They usually willing to admit their own faults when presented to them. Not by you, but by intelligent people who are also experts in the fields they are studying.

 

[Hawk_82]

Despite what you think you may know. It’s actually a really high bar. Just like most people. Given our ego. The scientific community hates to be wrong. When they submit their findings for review they are placing the life’s work on the block.

The difference. They usually willing to admit their own faults when presented to them. Not by you, but by intelligent people who are also experts in the fields they are studying.

Im curious what you know about the actual scientific community, because it doesn't sound like you know much.
The scientific community want to get published at all cost. It is not about being right, it is about getting published and being the first. The scientific community does not like to admit they were wrong.

Peer review is also somewhat of a joke. It is not the gold standard we are led tot believe it is.

 

[4ohs]

Im curious what you know about the actual scientific community, because it doesn't sound like you know much.
The scientific community want to get published at all cost. It is not about being right, it is about getting published and being the first. The scientific community does not like to admit they were wrong.

Peer review is also somewhat of a joke. It is not the gold standard we are led tot believe it is.

Wow. lol. Getting other expert opinions on a subject is a joke.


Yeah. I’m done with you. Take care.

 

[Gimmered]

Trump put an end to chemical and surgical transgender treatment for children. I have been pushing this for quite some time. I believe we will find that the suicide rate does not increase for this population even though their transgender treatment is taken away. I guess time will tell whether transgender care actually does decrease suicidality or whether I am right that it was an activist driven scam.

I can't wait to see the research that results from this executive order.

Protecting Children from Chemical and Surgical Mutilation – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Policy and

www.whitehouse.gov

We should also watch for the mental state of the cisgender boys who now will be unable to get their gender affirming breast reductions. They account for 97% of all minor breast reduction surgeries.

Gym class would have to suck for this guy.

 

[Hawk_82]

Wow. lol. Getting other expert opinions on a subject is a joke.


Yeah. I’m done with you. Take care.

But who is a peer? Somebody doing exactly the same kind of research (in which case he or she is probably a direct competitor)? Somebody in the same discipline? Somebody who is an expert on methodology? And what is review? Somebody saying `The paper looks all right to me', which is sadly what peer review sometimes seems to be. Or somebody pouring all over the paper, asking for raw data, repeating analyses, checking all the references, and making detailed suggestions for improvement? Such a review is vanishingly rare.

Peer review: a flawed process at the heart of science and journals - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[4ohs]

But who is a peer? Somebody doing exactly the same kind of research (in which case he or she is probably a direct competitor)? Somebody in the same discipline? Somebody who is an expert on methodology? And what is review? Somebody saying `The paper looks all right to me', which is sadly what peer review sometimes seems to be. Or somebody pouring all over the paper, asking for raw data, repeating analyses, checking all the references, and making detailed suggestions for improvement? Such a review is vanishingly rare.

Peer review: a flawed process at the heart of science and journals - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Know what you’re right. Elons in charge. Currently 24/7 delving all the intricate processes of our government and he’s going to make the best choice for everyone. He also might himself a trillionaire while doing doing so. Nobody needs oversight anymore and peer review is junk science.

Phew. You just saved me my guy.

 

[stanzithemanzi12]

We all make bad choices. Suicide is a bad choice.

Many times, not always, suicide is the culmination of many previous bad choices.

Can you imagine how bad some of these trans people feel about their choice? I don't think it should come as a surprise that the suicide rate is so high.

It's a mental illness and should be treated as such. That will save lives.

 

[Hawk_82]

We should also watch for the mental state of the cisgender boys who now will be unable to get their gender affirming breast reductions. They account for 97% of all minor breast reduction surgeries.

Gym class would have to suck for this guy.

A boy with excess breast tissue is gynecomastia, it is not related to gender. A boy can get surgery for this without a gender dysphoria diagnosis.

On the otherhand, a man can get a breast augmentation covered by insurance because it is an essential procedure whil a woman with dysformed breasts can not get it covered by insurance (one breast is an a and 1 is a D). I am assuming you can see how this is not right.

 

[Hawk_82]

Know what you’re right. Elons in charge. Currently 24/7 delving all the intricate processes of our government and he’s going to make the best choice for everyone. He also might himself a trillionaire while doing doing so. Nobody needs oversight anymore and peer review is junk science.

Phew. You just saved me my guy.

I think its important to know what peer review is and what it isn't. You implied that the only good research is peer reviewed. That simply is not true. A lot of gender research is peer reviewed and it is garbage research.

Peer reviewed doesn't make the research accurate, it just makes more people believe it is accurate.

 

[4ohs]

I think its important to know what peer review is and what it isn't. You implied that the only good research is peer reviewed. That simply is not true. A lot of gender research is peer reviewed and it is garbage research.

Peer reviewed doesn't make the research accurate, it just makes more people believe it is accurate.

Oh. So. You. Think it’s pure garbage. Because you are an expert in those fields obviously.

**** me. I need to just stop.

 

[Gimmered]

A boy with excess breast tissue is gynecomastia, it is not related to gender. A boy can get surgery for this without a gender dysphoria diagnosis.

On the otherhand, a man can get a breast augmentation covered by insurance because it is an essential procedure whil a woman with dysformed breasts can not get it covered by insurance (one breast is an a and 1 is a D). I am assuming you can see how this is not right.

No, he can't. It is the same surgery for the exact same reason and is banned as gender affirming care.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

We all make bad choices. Suicide is a bad choice.

Many times, not always, suicide is the culmination of many previous bad choices.

Can you imagine how bad some of these trans people feel about their choice? I don't think it should come as a surprise that the suicide rate is so high.

It's a mental illness and should be treated as such. That will save lived.

Regret rate for people who undergo gender affirming surgery is less than 1%. I feel awful for those people but their experiences should not outweigh the experiences of 99% of people who got similar surgeries.

 

[Hawk_82]

Oh. So. You. Think it’s pure garbage. Because you are an expert in those fields obviously.

**** me. I need to just stop.

Yes, But it is not just me. There is plenty of research out there that outlines my view. If you are not aware of this, then you do not know the peer system.

 

[Hawk_82]

No, he can't. It is the same surgery for the exact same reason and is banned as gender affirming care.

You should tell this to the insurance co. This happens all the time for patients. It happened just the other day.

Just to be clear, a man can get a breast augmentation covered by insurance whereas a woman can not. Thats messed up.

 

[4ohs]

Yes, But it is not just me. There is plenty of research out there that outlines my view. If you are not aware of this, then you do not know the peer system.

Science doesn’t work without multiple experiments confirming the same results. This is the literal definition of the scientific method. Something we all learned about in 7th grade.

You’re comfortable throwing it out the window.

 

[stanzithemanzi12]

Regret rate for people who undergo gender affirming surgery is less than 1%. I feel awful for those people but their experiences should not outweigh the experiences of 99% of people who got similar surgeries.

We're talking about people who think they are the opposite sex and go as far as having their genitalia mutilated. And we're supposed to believe them when they say they don't regret what they did?

Give me a break.

 

[Hawk_82]

Regret rate for people who undergo gender affirming surgery is less than 1%. I feel awful for those people but their experiences should not outweigh the experiences of 99% of people who got similar surgeries.

Do you know what the follow up rate is for people who do not continue to receive treatment?

The pro trans activists have tried to silence anyone who de-transitions or speaks out against transition. This is one of the points in the Cass review. We need to have an avenue for de-transitioners and we need to research how common de-transitioners are. This has not been well studied up to this point.

 

[Bro D]

All of this is so ****ing dumb