You should be able to separate an activist from a scientist. The WPATH is filled with activists and they are also the ones who have led the charge for the pro trans research. They have scam research because they were providing research that would affirm their ideas rather researching and letting the results speak for themselves.
Protecting children from chemical and surgical mutilation
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That really just depends on credentials to me. I’ve disagreed with a lot of shit. Then found out I was wrong.
When it comes to the transgender community. I just kind of leave it to the experts. But hey. What do I know.
Our president did just an EO declaring us all females. Or genderless. Depending on how you read it.
So we have @Hawk_82 in this thread saying that we can't trust the peer reviewed studies that support the effectiveness of gender affirming care. Now you're saying we can't trust the actual person when they say that the treatment is effective?
Give me a f*cking break.
I think when people are already thst far down the rabbit hole, there's no turning back.
And you. With most likely a high school education. Am feeling like a proper arbiter of those thoughts and emotions.
Don’t you hate it when other people are trying to tell you how you think?
The sad part is that you’re too stupid to know you’re stupid.
I saw the thread title and knew the Shitlibs would be upset.
Your inability to understand what is happening in real life tells me you don't know shit.
I agree. That's why it's insane to let transphobes control medical treatment for people in this country.
They've listened to so much anti-trans propaganda that now they are arguing that we shouldn't listen to the medical community or trans patients at all.
So, how do you decide when the parents are important in the process? Are you ok with laws that take custody away from parents who choose against gender affirming care for their kids? How about schools keeping info about a child’s identity away from their parents?
It seems both sides wield the “it’s for the parents to decide” ax when it helps them, but are totally fine with cutting them off at the knees when it goes against their stance.
Sorry about your kids OP. I guess they don't want to be like you. And you can't blame them.
I forget, are you the guy that has repeatedly lied about knowing hundreds/thousands of trans citizens?
Do you find your obsession with the hatred of trans citizens has interfered with day to day activities and personal relationships in your life? You seem super obsessed.
I've heard that the trans suicide rate is higher because of random internet hatred, and a society/family that rejects them.
Are you OK with Trump stopping breast reductions for cisgender boys so they can have their breast removed so the fit in with their peers? Should that be up to the parents?
No. I am 100% in the camp of parents know what’s best for their children. However, I also think there are some shady medical professionals out there doing things they probably shouldn’t be doing as well.
Nuance. All greys.
You should try educating yourself on the issue. You are confusing medical procedures to fix an actual abnormality vs a condition that doesn't have any diagnostic criteria and is patient diagnosed and patient treated.
Both are considered gender affirming surgeries. You're welcome to check for yourself.
I'm willing to bet the suicide rate decreased after we stop mutilating.Trump put an end to chemical and surgical transgender treatment for children. I have been pushing this for quite some time. I believe we will find that the suicide rate does not increase for this population even though their transgender treatment is taken away. I guess time will tell whether transgender care actually does decrease suicidality or whether I am right that it was an activist driven scam.
I can't wait to see the research that results from this executive order.
Protecting Children from Chemical and Surgical Mutilation
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Policy andwww.whitehouse.gov
Excellent move that the vast majority of Americans support.
Absolute win for mental and physical health of America's use.
You use the word, "theory" but you neither understand the word nor the definition of science. What is playing out is a politician using executive orders. It validates your opinion because you agree with the outcome but proves nothing. He's also stripping the rights way from 18 year olds because he wrote it for "under 19". It will surely get struck down in court.
Most turn to Hunch USA. @Hawk_82 does for sure.
I assume your thoughts are based on your experiences as a doctor.Trump put an end to chemical and surgical transgender treatment for children. I have been pushing this for quite some time. I believe we will find that the suicide rate does not increase for this population even though their transgender treatment is taken away. I guess time will tell whether transgender care actually does decrease suicidality or whether I am right that it was an activist driven scam.
I can't wait to see the research that results from this executive order.
Protecting Children from Chemical and Surgical Mutilation
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Policy andwww.whitehouse.gov
I also think that Jupiter is not made of bread pudding. You want data for that? But I think it’s cool that as a doctor you think doctors are the only ones who can’t be scummy.
You could’ve just said you watched it on YouTube
Well…start here.
Evidence obtained by the Office of the Attorney General revealed that a Dallas-area doctor illegally provided high-dose cross-sex hormones to twenty-one minor patients for the direct purpose of “transitioning” the child’s biological sex. The doctor allegedly used false diagnoses and billing codes to mask these unlawful prescriptions.
Attorney General Ken Paxton Sues Doctor for Illegally Providing Harmful “Gender Transition” Treatments to Nearly Two Dozen Texas Children
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton sued a North Texas doctor for blatantly violating Texas law by providing prohibited “gender transition” treatments to nearly two dozen minors.
www.texasattorneygeneral.gov
Id love to hear your thoughts after reading these. The third link is the cliff notes version.
Final Report – Cass Review
cass.independent-review.uk
The WPATH Files — Environmental Progress
Leaked files from WPATH reveal widespread medical malpractice on children and vulnerable adults at global transgender healthcare authority World Professional Association of Transgender Health (WPATH) members demonstrate a lack of consideration for long-term patient outcomes despite being aware oenvironmentalprogress.org
The NHS Ends the "Gender-Affirmative Care Model" for Youth in England
Following extensive stakeholder engagement and a systematic review of evidence, Englandâs National Health Service (NHS) has issued new draft guidance for the treatment of gender dysphoria in minors, which sharply deviates from the âgender-affirmingâ approach. The previous presumption that gender...segm.org
The Cass Review also subverts widely accepted processes for development of clinical recommendations and repeats spurious, debunked claims about transgender identity and gender dysphoria. These errors conflict with well-established norms of clinical research and evidence-based healthcare.
Never said doctors can't be scummy. 5% of all people on this planet are terrible scum. They permeate into every business. So that doctor appears to be still providing trans care to minors which the state of Texas made illegal. Then he tried to hide it by changing codes. That is an issue and is illegal. However, prior to Sept 2023, what he did would not be illegal. I'm asking you to provide evidence that shifty things existed similar to pill mills where people get narcotics.Well…start here.
Evidence obtained by the Office of the Attorney General revealed that a Dallas-area doctor illegally provided high-dose cross-sex hormones to twenty-one minor patients for the direct purpose of “transitioning” the child’s biological sex. The doctor allegedly used false diagnoses and billing codes to mask these unlawful prescriptions.
Attorney General Ken Paxton Sues Doctor for Illegally Providing Harmful “Gender Transition” Treatments to Nearly Two Dozen Texas Children
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton sued a North Texas doctor for blatantly violating Texas law by providing prohibited “gender transition” treatments to nearly two dozen minors.
You can disagree with treating adolescent trans patients, but that doesn't get to the heart of this nefarious cabal/conspiracy among people treating trans patients.
You should really read the original post you responded to again. I said I support 100% parental choice and I also said I THINK there are probably some shady docs out there. Not sure what it is you disagree with.
My apologies. I lumped you in with the, "all adolescent trans care is bad." camp. There are shady docs for sure, in all aspects of medicine. I read that out of context and thought you were anti-trans care in general. The narrative that somehow trans care is more lucrative than regular medicine, people are taking advantage of it, and there is some conspiracy to keep our wild riches secret from the public is nothing but a joke. We are not doing rampant surgery on adolescents. Meanwhile, these same people have just turned our government and it's access to the richest billionaires in the US without so much as a pause.
I was bit triggered at some of the usual players in this thread and I jumped on you. For that I again, apologize.
My thing is simple. Kids deserve only people in their lives who only have what they believe are their best interests in mind. Not shitty parents doing shit “by proxy” or whatever, and not docs doing it for easy money or not advocacy folks or anti-folks doing it for other reasons.
Are you against all gender affirming surgeries for people under 18 years of age?
There are a lot of surgeons who do top surgery just because they provide good RVUs.
They are activists. Try going through the list of names and then review what they do. They are highly supportive of the trans agenda. You can say what you want, but you can be sure that they have a major bias.
Kellan Baker, Ph.D., M.P.H., M.A. | AcademyHealth
Kara J. Connelly M.D. | Health care provider | OHSU
It's not easy money. Never met any patient that I thought was ever having stuff done by proxy.
You appear to be confusing correlation with causation.
I agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment. The problem is who gets to decide what their "best interests" are.
You are showing Kara Connelly and saying she has a major bias. Or may be she objectively looked at the evidence and said this is a patient population that needs help on going to focus my career on making them better. This is a equivalent to you saying firefighters are activists for putting out forest fires, farmers are advocates for raising grain prices, cops are activists against crime. Of course people in the field are going to be for the issue at hand.They are activists. Try going through the list of names and then review what they do. They are highly supportive of the trans agenda. You can say what you want, but you can be sure that they have a major bias.
Kellan Baker, Ph.D., M.P.H., M.A. | AcademyHealth
academyhealth.org
Kara J. Connelly M.D. | Health care provider | OHSU
www.ohsu.edu
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I don't particularly like that politicians are getting involved in this stuff. In regards to transgender surgery, it was necessary for politicians to get involved due to the mutilation and abuse to children.
Unfortunately the gender activists and the democrats were promoting experimental "medicine" that was harmful to children and becoming increasingly more common and more easily available. It is unfortunate how badly the medical community were corrupted by the trans agenda. They hurt their own credibility and their actions required politicians to get involved.
You have no idea what you're talking about. I know plastics surgeons who aren't going to treat gynecomastia anymore. I certainly won't operate on 12-18 year old males for hypospadias or chordee anymore. The way these ridiculous laws are written, they set poor legal precedence and have confusing language. They have penalties far harsher than any other medical related prosecution.
1. Revoke my medical license without due process
2. Put me in jail
3. Allow statutes of limitations well beyond the norms, like 10-20 years after something was done.
4. Private citizens can sue me on behalf of a patient they have no relation to nor has the private citizen suffered harm.
This is all language taken out of the abortion issues. It's the same play book. The state of KS voted down a constitutional amendment to ban abortion by 60%. Yet here we are at next legislative session watching KS lawmakers try to ban abortion.
